Nobody really knows what the reasons are or what their motives are for declining to host the show on Channel 4, so I don't know why there is this great rush to trumpet their doing so as some kind of principled and noble altruism.
Might the reason be that neither wishes to jeopardise future employment prospects with the BBC.
It actually didn't work at all in Ireland. Most viewers had already seen the British version and were well aware that the Irish version was a poor copy. It's now been axed.
Really? I quite liked the Irish version, and I was hoping for a 3rd series and another christmas special.
Does anyone know if the Aussie version is getting a 3rd series? or the South Africian getting a 2nd?
With the GBBO leaving the BBC, it also means we won't be getting a 4th series of the Junior Bake Off. That's too bad because I quite liked it, though the 3rd series lost something with no Mary and new presenters.
Really? I quite liked the Irish version, and I was hoping for a 3rd series and another christmas special.
Does anyone know if the Aussie version is getting a 3rd series? or the South Africian getting a 2nd?
With the GBBO leaving the BBC, it also means we won't be getting a 4th series of the Junior Bake Off. That's too bad because I quite liked it, though the 3rd series lost something with no Mary and new presenters.
I thought they'd already started filming the new series of Junior Bake Off, with Allegra and Nadiya as judges.
For me, there was something really reassuring about the Bake Off. It brought back memories of 'baking days' at home, and steamed up kitchens, and neighbours dropping in for a cup of tea. It really was a lovely novelty in a TV world that has become saturated with cheap tacky programmes where contestants are encouraged to do anything and everything in the interests of sensation and newspaper headlines.
Bake Off was like a return to another world where it was okay to be nice to other people, and to be polite and helpful. There was no backstabbing, no playing on people's sympathies, no manufactured rows or romances; just plain old fashioned fun and hard work, underlain with mutual respect from everyone.
I really hope Channel 4 understand that. But I have my doubts.
I totally agree with everything you have said. It doesn't matter what Channel4 does, it won't work. Channel 4 doesn't do subtle just over the top and tacky
In any event, I thought the main objective and key purpose of Channel 4 was to provide new and innovative programming, and nurture experimental programming.
How does poaching one of the BBCs most popular programmes, based on old fashioned skills and traditions, fit with that?
Again I totally agree with you. Couldn't have said it better myself
Another element to add to the whole BBC/Love Productions theme that is running through this thread.
A number of news sources are reporting that Love Productions had taken legal action against the BBC twice for 'format infringment'. The BBC productions in question that Love Productions sued over were 'Hair' and 'The Big Painting Challenge'.
Heres the article from Yahoo (taken from Business Insider):-
What I find most interesting is the quote from an 'insider' who claims that "[in relation to Hair infringing on the GBBO format] The format lawyer said it was the clearest cut case they’d seen of a format infringement".
It used to make some good programmes as well though Time Team for Instance and cutting Edge before that went downhill with a 30 minute dumbed down version.
Nobody really knows what the reasons are or what their motives are for declining to host the show on Channel 4, so I don't know why there is this great rush to trumpet their doing so as some kind of principled and noble altruism.
Their motives were spelled out very clearly in their statement. There aren't any other 'real reasons' hidden here, beyond their contempt for LP's decision and the way they handled it.
When C4 was first announced as the new home of GBBO, the assumption was that Mel and Sue would go with it, as they've worked for the channel previously. The fact that they didn't even entertain negotiations shows how strongly they feel what has happened.
What I find most interesting is the quote from an 'insider' who claims that "[in relation to Hair infringing on the GBBO format] The format lawyer said it was the clearest cut case they’d seen of a format infringement".
Would that be the format lawyer who was pushing Love Productions' case? Would you really expect them to say anything else?
The only important question is - what did the judge say?
Why is the production company being so bloody greedy? Sickening!
This is the question I would like answered.
It's common knowledge that the BBC has been slowly starved of cash over the last six years - so Love Productions would know the channel that commissioned and nurtured the show wouldn't be able to afford the sum it was demanding.
Which rather makes me suspect that they didn't have any intention of staying with the BBC in the first place.
Whether that came from sheer greed or was something manipulated by Love's majority shareholder, Sky, and its owner Rupert Murdoch, or indeed a combination of the two, has yet to be revealed.
It's common knowledge that the BBC has been slowly starved of cash over the last six years - so Love Productions would know the channel that commissioned and nurtured the show wouldn't be able to afford the sum it was demanding.
Which rather makes me suspect that they didn't have any intention of staying with the BBC in the first place.
Whether that came from sheer greed or was something manipulated by Love's majority shareholder, Sky, and its owner Rupert Murdoch, or indeed a combination of the two, has yet to be revealed.
I mean, you can understand people wanting more money, but doing something like this isn't going to make them look good. Besides, sticking with the BBC would surely have more kudos, spinoffs, etc...
Massive over-reaction. It's a TV production company, not a charity
Sorry, it's not.
Nowadays all companies should have social responsibility, its very easy to fall foul of people power.
Never said it's a charity, that's your take and added opinions, They had a good offer of £15 million a doubling of their fee, they were greedy for £25 million.
People power have built up opinions against say coffee companies that make considerable " bucks" but do not pay taxes, they had to change, internet companies realise there can be a negative reaction.
A tsunami of negativity in social media can bring companies down they become toxic, this will occur here.
There was a jewellery company, Ratners, the owner Gerald said that a M&S sandwich was better value than his jewellery and would last longer, the company was off the high street in a year.
Ten million viewers ( 0r from social media reaction, the majority), of GBBO do not like what Love Productions have done, that can destroy a company.
Nowadays all companies should have social responsibility, its very easy to fall foul of people power.
Never said it's a charity, that's your take and added opinions, They had a good offer of £15 million a doubling of their fee, they were greedy for £25 million.
People power? You mean adult brats having a meltdown on the Internet?
The only social responsibility they can offer is the background jobs go to local people (electrician, joiners and the like).
Moving to a different channel is not a breach of "Social Responsibility", otherwise, the BBC would have fallen foul of it when they poached Men Behaving Badly from ITV
How is the BBC starved of cash? We all have to have a tv licence to watch BBC (excl certain parties). What they don't do is spend their monies wisely - too many executive fatcats, sick days, "top talent". look at what the Olympics cost - 500 staff for 2-3 weeks at least in Rio.
Have a go at the staff doing budgets, cashflows etc, not the production company looking after it's investors. The BBC have to stop wasting money-then they can start to compete again.
People power? You mean adult brats having a meltdown on the Internet?
The only social responsibility they can offer is the background jobs go to local people (electrician, joiners and the like).
Moving to a different channel is not a breach of "Social Responsibility", otherwise, the BBC would have fallen foul of it when they poached Men Behaving Badly from ITV
"You mean adult brats having a meltdown on the Internet? "
Errrr....Your posting here!
I would check your research on MBB , ITV cancelled it first!
Social responsibility- taking a new increased offer that doubles the current fee , from the broadcaster that commissioned it, and had faith in it, and marketed for them around the world, making them more money, and not then selling out, after " behind doors" communications with another channel. And not speaking to the main four stars!
How is the BBC starved of cash? We all have to have a tv licence to watch BBC (excl certain parties). What they don't do is spend their monies wisely - too many executive fatcats, sick days, "top talent". look at what the Olympics cost - 500 staff for 2-3 weeks at least in Rio.
Have a go at the staff doing budgets, cashflows etc, not the production company looking after it's investors. The BBC have to stop wasting money-then they can start to compete again.
Even if that is true, that's no excuse for being overly greedy.
Even if that is true, that's no excuse for being overly greedy.
Greedy? Looking after investors is part of business life - they are being irresponsible if they dont maximise opportunities. GBBO should just move wholesale - life goes on.
Greedy? Looking after investors is part of business life - they are being irresponsible if they dont maximise opportunities. GBBO should just move wholesale - life goes on.
Let's wait and see. There's a lot to be said for staying with a winning formula. But maybe their greed will pay off, as you say.
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What is the point of the question?
I'm interested whether you watch regularly and enjoy the show.
The fact you won't answer is also interesting.
Might the reason be that neither wishes to jeopardise future employment prospects with the BBC.
Really? I quite liked the Irish version, and I was hoping for a 3rd series and another christmas special.
Does anyone know if the Aussie version is getting a 3rd series? or the South Africian getting a 2nd?
With the GBBO leaving the BBC, it also means we won't be getting a 4th series of the Junior Bake Off. That's too bad because I quite liked it, though the 3rd series lost something with no Mary and new presenters.
I thought they'd already started filming the new series of Junior Bake Off, with Allegra and Nadiya as judges.
Again I totally agree with you. Couldn't have said it better myself
*cough* Sex Box, Naked Attraction *cough*.
I rest my case.
A number of news sources are reporting that Love Productions had taken legal action against the BBC twice for 'format infringment'. The BBC productions in question that Love Productions sued over were 'Hair' and 'The Big Painting Challenge'.
Heres the article from Yahoo (taken from Business Insider):-
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/secret-legal-dispute-damaged-bbcs-074113763.html
What I find most interesting is the quote from an 'insider' who claims that "[in relation to Hair infringing on the GBBO format] The format lawyer said it was the clearest cut case they’d seen of a format infringement".
It used to make some good programmes as well though Time Team for Instance and cutting Edge before that went downhill with a 30 minute dumbed down version.
Their motives were spelled out very clearly in their statement. There aren't any other 'real reasons' hidden here, beyond their contempt for LP's decision and the way they handled it.
When C4 was first announced as the new home of GBBO, the assumption was that Mel and Sue would go with it, as they've worked for the channel previously. The fact that they didn't even entertain negotiations shows how strongly they feel what has happened.
Massive over-reaction. It's a TV production company, not a charity
The only important question is - what did the judge say?
This is the question I would like answered.
It's common knowledge that the BBC has been slowly starved of cash over the last six years - so Love Productions would know the channel that commissioned and nurtured the show wouldn't be able to afford the sum it was demanding.
Which rather makes me suspect that they didn't have any intention of staying with the BBC in the first place.
Whether that came from sheer greed or was something manipulated by Love's majority shareholder, Sky, and its owner Rupert Murdoch, or indeed a combination of the two, has yet to be revealed.
I mean, you can understand people wanting more money, but doing something like this isn't going to make them look good. Besides, sticking with the BBC would surely have more kudos, spinoffs, etc...
Sorry, it's not.
Nowadays all companies should have social responsibility, its very easy to fall foul of people power.
Never said it's a charity, that's your take and added opinions, They had a good offer of £15 million a doubling of their fee, they were greedy for £25 million.
People power have built up opinions against say coffee companies that make considerable " bucks" but do not pay taxes, they had to change, internet companies realise there can be a negative reaction.
A tsunami of negativity in social media can bring companies down they become toxic, this will occur here.
There was a jewellery company, Ratners, the owner Gerald said that a M&S sandwich was better value than his jewellery and would last longer, the company was off the high street in a year.
Ten million viewers ( 0r from social media reaction, the majority), of GBBO do not like what Love Productions have done, that can destroy a company.
People power? You mean adult brats having a meltdown on the Internet?
The only social responsibility they can offer is the background jobs go to local people (electrician, joiners and the like).
Moving to a different channel is not a breach of "Social Responsibility", otherwise, the BBC would have fallen foul of it when they poached Men Behaving Badly from ITV
Have a go at the staff doing budgets, cashflows etc, not the production company looking after it's investors. The BBC have to stop wasting money-then they can start to compete again.
"You mean adult brats having a meltdown on the Internet? "
Errrr....Your posting here!
I would check your research on MBB , ITV cancelled it first!
Social responsibility- taking a new increased offer that doubles the current fee , from the broadcaster that commissioned it, and had faith in it, and marketed for them around the world, making them more money, and not then selling out, after " behind doors" communications with another channel. And not speaking to the main four stars!
Even if that is true, that's no excuse for being overly greedy.
Yes here, not on the other Bake-off thread in this forum. Or the 2 in Broadcasting, or the 2 in Reality
This is nothing more than a major strop and it's starting to get really boring
Let's wait and see. There's a lot to be said for staying with a winning formula. But maybe their greed will pay off, as you say.