I suggest you read DMNs posts that mention the running times of the channel. Replay means playing the exact same thing, so you would still miss something if it happened during an advert.
For the extra cost of getting Sky Sports F1, I am entitled to expect no adverts. Broadcasters pay Sky to be listed on the service, and then subscribers pay to view those channels.
You're absoloutly right Antony! I was wrong.... I guess if Vettel spins off, crashes and breaks his leg and has to retire his career during an advert in Practice 1, I guess we'll never ever see it... and we'll all yern for the impossible days of BBC, the chain, mansell and turbo engines
Reading the SkySportsF1 sales pitch makes me think they would re-run classic F1 races either in part or in full (given the 32hours to fill during non-F1 weeks).
SkySportsF1 viewers might be treated to whole seasons, replayed again in all it's glory.
Sky is defo gonna take F1 to another level and I'll be there for every minute!!
Reading the SkySportsF1 sales pitch makes me think they would re-run classic F1 races either in part or in full (given the 32hours to fill during non-F1 weeks).
SkySportsF1 viewers might be treated to whole seasons, replayed again in all it's glory.
Sky is defo gonna take F1 to another level and I'll be there for every minute!!
Meanwhile the BBC will be taking the commentary to another level!
This is going to be a VERY interesting year isn't it.
Well, assuming Vettel just doesn't run away with it again, if he does then the whole argument may well be moot, no-one is going to want to pay for something that they don't even want boring them for free eh?
Perhaps more than anything that killed Sky F1 10 years ago was the worst season for excitement in living memory, Sky will be praying lightning doesn't strike twice!
BTW has whatever announcement that had Jake so excited happened yet?
Perhaps more than anything that killed Sky F1 10 years ago was the worst season for excitement in living memory, Sky will be praying lightning doesn't strike twice!
It killed F1 in general - figures on ITV were dwindling. 2002 was a year of total domination by Schumi. One wonders how different F1D+ might have fared if it launched in 2003, arguably one of the best seasons in recent memory with Williams, Ferrari and McLaren all competitive.
It killed F1 in general - figures on ITV were dwindling. 2002 was a year of total domination by Schumi. One wonders how different F1D+ might have fared if it launched in 2003, arguably one of the best seasons in recent memory with Williams, Ferrari and McLaren all competitive.
Probably not just that, but the 2......farce finishes likely didn't help, Austria especially.
8.7 Driver radio :
Other than authorised connections to the FIA ECU, any voice radio communication system between car and pits must be stand‐alone and must not ransmit or receive other data.
All Such communications must be open and accessible to both the FIA and broadcasters.
Also spotted these new additions to the OnBoard camera regs:
20.3.4 Any camera or camera housing fitted in the left hand position 2 shown in drawing 6 must be
mounted in order that its major axis where passing through the centre of the camera lens (or corresponding position for a camera housing) does not intersect any part of the car lying forward of the camera or camera housing.
20.3.5 The camera fitted in position 4 shown in drawing 6 must be mounted in order that its forward most point is no more than 80mm rearward of the rear face of the cockpit entry template.
Camera position 2 is the camera on the nose, I guess that change was made to stop teams mounting the cameras low down under the nose where the view is obstructed by the front wing.
Also spotted these new additions to the OnBoard camera regs:
Camera position 2 is the camera on the nose, I guess that change was made to stop teams mounting the cameras low down under the nose where the view is obstructed by the front wing.
Quite why the FIA/FOM let the teams deal with these things is an issue anyway.
While I don't doubt FOM had a huge hand in that rule change I don't just get why they turn up before Melbourne, bolt a camera on the car on the best position for them and tell the teams to just lump it.
As long as they do it in exactly the same place for all the teams, they can't really say anything.
I'm also surprised they haven't at least explored the whole rotating camera phenomenon.
While I still don't think it is right for the T-bar cam, Champcar used to do them on the sidepods facing either forwards or backwards and they were really effective there.
I think it has something to do with them being closer to the ground so minimising the fish bowl effect, or perhaps the t-bar has been so ingrained in us all as a forward facing camera as soon as it starts moving the brain starts telling us the car is spinning rather than the camera is moving...
Either way I'd have thought F1 would've tried it out before now, at least in a practice session....
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I'm also surprised they haven't at least explored the whole rotating camera phenomenon.
While I still don't think it is right for the T-bar cam, Champcar used to do them on the sidepods facing either forwards or backwards and they were really effective there.
I think it has something to do with them being closer to the ground so minimising the fish bowl effect, or perhaps the t-bar has been so ingrained in us all as a forward facing camera as soon as it starts moving the brain starts telling us the car is spinning rather than the camera is moving...
Either way I'd have thought F1 would've tried it out before now, at least in a practice session....
Well they did test a rotating camera but only during a Porsche Supercup race in 2009.
I'm pretty sure the teams would not be keen on having a clumsy, relatively big camera housing on their cars. In fact, they even started to use the onboard camera as a aerodynamic device (which has effectively been banned as stefmeister pointed out).
And if you ask me: FOM has become quite poor when it comes down to onboard camera angle variety. We only get: t-cam front/rear facing and nose camera. That's it basically.
Those hoping to be able to get the F1 channel using someone else's Sky Go account will need to take note of this.
In response to someone else on their Twitter page:
Sky Sports F1 @ritesh993 Sorry we were wrong before. If you have the HD pack and not sports you will also receive the F1 channel on Sky Go.
7 minutes ago
I think JA would be good on the practise sessions (which is when most people will be listening, tbh) but Legard is surely a backward step. They should be trying someone new out.
So Charles Sale has got round to reading the speculation in this thread about a month ago and reported it as news.
While it could well be right, I'd prefer to hear it from a news source. Sale has been wrong so often on F1 broadcasting I'm surprised he hasn't exclusively announced ITV has the exclusive rights for F1 2012.
Before the boot comes in for JA, we don't really have any idea what he'll be like on the radio, nor without ITV's push to provide heavily biasted commentary towards JB, nor without a few years gap to reflect on previous broadcasting, nor without sharing with Brundle. We do know he knows his stuff.
As if the "Sky/Murdoch is the devil" discussion won't be bad enough, we get the Edwards vs Brundle discussion, and now have Allen and Legard thrown in to boot.
In some ways it's comforting that they are bringing in people with good knowledge of the sports - I was half expecting a 3rd grade football commentator that had never seen an F1 car before.
At least Allen and Legard are know quantity's.
In a funny sort of way I've missed Allen - his faults are well documented but he was enthusiastic on commentary and his knowledge of the sport is excellent - so I think it's fair that he gets another shot at it.
No looking forward to Legard's droning on - but some have said he was a better commentator on radio than on tv.
Maybe Ledgard will only end up doing the events that BBC TV will be covering live.
Edwards/Coulthard for BBC TV Live events
Allen/Chandock? for the rest via RTL/5Live
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You're absoloutly right Antony! I was wrong.... I guess if Vettel spins off, crashes and breaks his leg and has to retire his career during an advert in Practice 1, I guess we'll never ever see it... and we'll all yern for the impossible days of BBC, the chain, mansell and turbo engines
SkySportsF1 viewers might be treated to whole seasons, replayed again in all it's glory.
Sky is defo gonna take F1 to another level and I'll be there for every minute!!
Meanwhile the BBC will be taking the commentary to another level!
This is going to be a VERY interesting year isn't it.
Well, assuming Vettel just doesn't run away with it again, if he does then the whole argument may well be moot, no-one is going to want to pay for something that they don't even want boring them for free eh?
Perhaps more than anything that killed Sky F1 10 years ago was the worst season for excitement in living memory, Sky will be praying lightning doesn't strike twice!
BTW has whatever announcement that had Jake so excited happened yet?
It killed F1 in general - figures on ITV were dwindling. 2002 was a year of total domination by Schumi. One wonders how different F1D+ might have fared if it launched in 2003, arguably one of the best seasons in recent memory with Williams, Ferrari and McLaren all competitive.
Probably not just that, but the 2......farce finishes likely didn't help, Austria especially.
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/347ECF8A39ABF5BAC125797B0034F64B/$FILE/1-2012%20TECHNICAL%20REGULATIONS%2007-12-2011.pdf
Also spotted these new additions to the OnBoard camera regs:
Camera position 2 is the camera on the nose, I guess that change was made to stop teams mounting the cameras low down under the nose where the view is obstructed by the front wing.
Position 4 is the T-Cam, I guess that change was made to stop teams putting the mounting point too far back as Mercedes did Pre-Season last year.
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/7862/mercedesmgpw02f1wallpap.jpg
Quite why the FIA/FOM let the teams deal with these things is an issue anyway.
While I don't doubt FOM had a huge hand in that rule change I don't just get why they turn up before Melbourne, bolt a camera on the car on the best position for them and tell the teams to just lump it.
As long as they do it in exactly the same place for all the teams, they can't really say anything.
I'm also surprised they haven't at least explored the whole rotating camera phenomenon.
While I still don't think it is right for the T-bar cam, Champcar used to do them on the sidepods facing either forwards or backwards and they were really effective there.
I think it has something to do with them being closer to the ground so minimising the fish bowl effect, or perhaps the t-bar has been so ingrained in us all as a forward facing camera as soon as it starts moving the brain starts telling us the car is spinning rather than the camera is moving...
Either way I'd have thought F1 would've tried it out before now, at least in a practice session....
Well they did test a rotating camera but only during a Porsche Supercup race in 2009.
I'm pretty sure the teams would not be keen on having a clumsy, relatively big camera housing on their cars. In fact, they even started to use the onboard camera as a aerodynamic device (which has effectively been banned as stefmeister pointed out).
And if you ask me: FOM has become quite poor when it comes down to onboard camera angle variety. We only get: t-cam front/rear facing and nose camera. That's it basically.
In response to someone else on their Twitter page:
@SkySportsF1 @SkyHelpTeam
Will the broadcast graphics be delivered to us in 16:9 not 4:3 ? #FOM
Sky Sports F1 replies....
@AntonyPeacock If you have the HD pack but not sports you will get the channel on Sky Go
????? WTF
Jp
James Allen to be lead 5Live F1 commentator with Jonathan Legard as stand-in.
Good god :eek:
Looks like I can say goodbye to this thread for a few weeks.
Thanks for nothing DMN
Jp
Was James Allen the one commentating when Button won his first Grand Prix and he grunted "get in" like he had just done a satisfying sh**?
Eh?
Yep, that was Allen.
While it could well be right, I'd prefer to hear it from a news source. Sale has been wrong so often on F1 broadcasting I'm surprised he hasn't exclusively announced ITV has the exclusive rights for F1 2012.
Before the boot comes in for JA, we don't really have any idea what he'll be like on the radio, nor without ITV's push to provide heavily biasted commentary towards JB, nor without a few years gap to reflect on previous broadcasting, nor without sharing with Brundle. We do know he knows his stuff.
But then again, you weren't around then so...
Nothing personal I assure you.
Jp
As if the "Sky/Murdoch is the devil" discussion won't be bad enough, we get the Edwards vs Brundle discussion, and now have Allen and Legard thrown in to boot.
What has the BBC done????? :eek:
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fans in countries around the world will be jealous
In some ways it's comforting that they are bringing in people with good knowledge of the sports - I was half expecting a 3rd grade football commentator that had never seen an F1 car before.
At least Allen and Legard are know quantity's.
In a funny sort of way I've missed Allen - his faults are well documented but he was enthusiastic on commentary and his knowledge of the sport is excellent - so I think it's fair that he gets another shot at it.
No looking forward to Legard's droning on - but some have said he was a better commentator on radio than on tv.
Maybe Ledgard will only end up doing the events that BBC TV will be covering live.
Edwards/Coulthard for BBC TV Live events
Allen/Chandock? for the rest via RTL/5Live
I could live with that