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Will Russia "invade" Ukraine

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    snukrsnukr Posts: 19,846
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    Indeed. I mean, what right have Russian soldiers to be in Russia?

    I hear the Yanks are sending a few troops to Poland, for "training" purposes too.
    They're obviously there awaiting a call to invade.

    A few is right 600, what match do you think they'll be for 40,000?
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    GreatGodPanGreatGodPan Posts: 53,186
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    snukr wrote: »
    They're obviously there awaiting a call to invade.

    A few is right 600, what match do you think they'll be for 40,000?

    You're just a Russophobe, as encouraged by the West.

    It matters little to you really who is in power there, whether it be the Right wing Putin or if it was a Left wing President - the Big Bad Russian Bear is always the bad guy.
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    snukrsnukr Posts: 19,846
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    You're just a Russophobe, as encouraged by the West.

    It matters little to you really who is in power there, whether it be the Right wing Putin or if it was a Left wing President - the Big Bad Russian Bear is always the bad guy.
    I'm not encouraged by the West. I'm half Ukrainian and have visited the country several times. Ukraine fought long and hard for it's independence and I don't like to see the despotic leader of another country trying to destroy it.
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    alanwarwicalanwarwic Posts: 28,396
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    I hear the Yanks are sending a few troops to Poland, for "training" purposes too.
    Poland is part of Nato and Europe, plus they have agreements with the US with regards to the European Interceptor Site.

    Dictators undermine opposition and survive best by expanding so a European war is a strong possibility.
    It is a damned if we do, damned if we don't sort of thing. The scary part is that RT has always been on a divide and conquer semi war footing.
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    LateralthinkingLateralthinking Posts: 8,027
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    snukr wrote: »
    I'm not encouraged by the West. I'm half Ukrainian and have visited the country several times. Ukraine fought long and hard for it's independence and I don't like to see the despotic leader of another country trying to destroy it.

    Aren't most Ukrainians half-Ukrainian?

    If not currently, they could be again soon.
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    snukrsnukr Posts: 19,846
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    Aren't most Ukrainians half-Ukrainian?

    If not currently, they could be again soon.

    No they're not.

    Is that Russian humour?
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    LateralthinkingLateralthinking Posts: 8,027
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    snukr wrote: »
    No they're not.

    Is that Russian humour?

    I wouldn't know.

    Apart from the Kandinsky print on the living room wall, a Boris Grebenshikov cassette and selected works by Rachmaninov I have no particular identification with them. :)
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    RecordPlayerRecordPlayer Posts: 22,648
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    snukr wrote: »
    No they're not.

    Is that Russian humour?

    If I were you, I wouldn't get drawn in by these comments.

    When posters have nothing wise to add to the debate, they resort to personal insults and goading.
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    Parker45Parker45 Posts: 5,855
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    As for today's pictures depicting members of the Russian army in Ukraine, they are Forrest Gump when he grew a long beard and are fast approaching 70. .

    If Russia had presented similar such photographs they would have been dismissed as laughable propaganda. Kiev also pointed out as further evidence of Russian involvement, the Russian special forces badge on the uniform but the BBC pointed out that these badges can be bought over the internet for a few dollars!
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    AxtolAxtol Posts: 8,480
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    The separatists occupying government buildings were "militants" according to a new report today from the very same organization that referred to Syrian separatists doing almost identical things "civilians". It is very clear to see the BBC bias and the message is that if you are in favour with the West then your group can effectively wage unlimited warfare on the government and other people in your country and be called a civilian but if you are not in favour with the West you will be a terrorist whose only goal is to massacre as many innocent people as possible.

    The West condemns Al Assad every time he launched anti terror operations against "militants" in rebel controlled areas but apparently it is alright for Ukraine to do it and there is none of the usual emotional spiel of "will of the people" "popular uprising" or "butchering his own people" that the West dose out in buckets against governments they don't like. Weren't the Ukranian military almost about to "butcher" any Ukranian nationals ("their own people") who were holed up inside government buildings?
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    GreatGodPanGreatGodPan Posts: 53,186
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    snukr wrote: »
    I'm not encouraged by the West. I'm half Ukrainian and have visited the country several times. Ukraine fought long and hard for it's independence and I don't like to see the despotic leader of another country trying to destroy it.

    We're all encouraged by the West to treat Russia as a rogue state - the end of the Socialist experiment there has made little difference.
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    GreatGodPanGreatGodPan Posts: 53,186
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    If I were you, I wouldn't get drawn in by these comments.

    When posters have nothing wise to add to the debate, they resort to personal insults and goading.

    :D

    You mean like how some on here have been describing Putin?

    Is that wisdom?
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    SULLASULLA Posts: 149,789
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    Putin is concerned about the safety of Russian citizens in East Ukraine.

    What are they doing there ?
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    Jellied EelJellied Eel Posts: 33,091
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    SULLA wrote: »
    Putin is concerned about the safety of Russian citizens in East Ukraine.

    What are they doing there ?

    Perhaps living, working. Perhaps they're medical students?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Grenada#Background

    U.S. officials cited the murder of Bishop and general political instability in a country near U.S. borders, as well as the presence of U.S. medical students at St. George's University, as reasons for military action.
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    snukrsnukr Posts: 19,846
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    We're all encouraged by the West to treat Russia as a rogue state - the end of the Socialist experiment there has made little difference.
    My reasons for my dislike of Russia is all to do with it's oppression and interference in Ukraine, Putin shouldn't be allowed to dictate which alliances it joins or to invade it's territory if it does something he doesn't like. Until Putin and the rest of the communist old guard is gone Ukraine will never be able to live in peace with it's bullying neighbour, though Putin may have occupied the whole of Ukraine by then.
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    GreatGodPanGreatGodPan Posts: 53,186
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    snukr wrote: »
    My reasons for my dislike of Russia is all to do with it's oppression and interference in Ukraine, Putin shouldn't be allowed to dictate which alliances it joins or to invade it's territory if it does something he doesn't like. Until Putin and the rest of the communist old guard is gone Ukraine will never be able to live in peace with it's bullying neighbour, though Putin may have occupied the whole of Ukraine by then.

    What do you think of the far Right politicians/activists in the Ukraine that seem to exert quite an influence there?
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    snukrsnukr Posts: 19,846
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    What do you think of the far Right politicians/activists in the Ukraine that seem to exert quite an influence there?
    They don't exert as much influence as some people think, if they did you can be sure there'd be a full scale war in Eastern Ukraine now.
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    GreatGodPanGreatGodPan Posts: 53,186
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    snukr wrote: »
    They don't exert as much influence as some people think, if they did you can be sure there'd be a full scale war in Eastern Ukraine now.

    http://www.channel4.com/news/svoboda-ministers-ukraine-new-government-far-right
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    snukrsnukr Posts: 19,846
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    They only have 20% of government positions and they don't have the two most important ones.
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    RecordPlayerRecordPlayer Posts: 22,648
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    :D

    You mean like how some on here have been describing Putin?

    Is that wisdom?

    Seeing as the thread title is 'Will Russia "invade" Ukraine"? it's inevitable he's going to be mentioned.
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    GreatGodPanGreatGodPan Posts: 53,186
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    Seeing as the thread title is 'Will Russia "invade" Ukraine"? it's inevitable he's going to be mentioned.

    I'm not talking about "mentioned". I am talking about how Putin is described by some on here - dictator, despot, etc etc.

    Not very "wise" I would have thought, considering he was (unfortunately) elected by a large majority of the Russian people.
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    jmclaughjmclaugh Posts: 64,006
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    I'm not talking about "mentioned". I am talking about how Putin is described by some on here - dictator, despot, etc etc.

    Not very "wise" I would have thought, considering he was (unfortunately) elected by a large majority of the Russian people.

    Why is it unwise?
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    RecordPlayerRecordPlayer Posts: 22,648
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    I'm not talking about "mentioned". I am talking about how Putin is described by some on here - dictator, despot, etc etc.

    Not very "wise" I would have thought, considering he was (unfortunately) elected by a large majority of the Russian people.

    The truth is, he is a despot, dictator, liar etc..

    What's not "wise"? Your sentence doesn't make sense.
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    GreatGodPanGreatGodPan Posts: 53,186
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    jmclaugh wrote: »
    Why is it unwise?

    Because by definition Putin is neither despot nor dictator.

    Such language is merely hysterical hyperbole and contributes nothing to intelligent debate about a tense situation.
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    AxtolAxtol Posts: 8,480
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    Because by definition Putin is neither despot nor dictator.

    Such language is merely hysterical hyperbole and contributes nothing to intelligent debate about a tense situation.

    If leaders who attack other countries under very dodgy and even outright false claims of protecting civilians are all despots/dictators then what does that make Bush Blair Cameron Obama? Four leaders who have all done exactly what Putin is doing in Crimea and came to power the same way he did through a vote.
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