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Not Cameron's biggest fan, but even I refuse to believe he's truly THIS incompetent

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    DarthGoreDarthGore Posts: 1,664
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    David Tee wrote: »
    Assuming that this, in fact, correct, do you approve of this?

    I do, it's called "zero tolerance" and unfortunately something we seem reluctant to employ
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    tim59tim59 Posts: 47,188
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    DarthGore wrote: »
    I do, it's called "zero tolerance" and unfortunately something we seem reluctant to employ

    So you really expect uk soldiers to shoot unarmed civilians. Are you real
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    trevvytrev21trevvytrev21 Posts: 16,973
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    They won't like attack dogs at all and you can get away with it easier than having armed coppers around.

    Dave has told us to prepare for this to last all summer so he obviously has no plans for resolution.
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    AlbacomAlbacom Posts: 34,578
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    tim59 wrote: »
    So you really expect uk soldiers to shoot unarmed civilians. Are you real

    They could be water cannoned though. They are behaving like lawless thugs and the Dutch are quite happy to water cannon football hooligans (quite right too) so we should be doing the same to the migrants in Calais. Their blatant disregard for what is right is the issue. There is a difference between aiming for a better life and getting one illegally. If the law doesn't have to apply to them, then why does it have to apply to us?
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    heresittingheresitting Posts: 2,743
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    David Tee wrote: »
    Assuming that this, in fact, correct, do you approve of this?
    tim59 wrote: »
    So you really expect uk soldiers to shoot unarmed civilians. Are you real

    I am real, and I do approve of this. The final quote is just bristling with indignation about shooting "unarmed civilians".... nice use of language there, these poor "unarmed civilians" are committing a CRIMINAL act - you do realise that don't you? They are invading our country, they are destroying property.

    They are not innocent souls strolling down the street minding their own business when they are shot for no reason... stop trying to make out they are, because you're not fooling anyone!

    Damaging fences, damaging lorries, invading a country - all CRIMINAL acts - and you know it.

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    tim59tim59 Posts: 47,188
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    wizzywick wrote: »
    They could be water cannoned though. They are behaving like lawless thugs and the Dutch are quite happy to water cannon football hooligans (quite right too) so we should be doing the same to the migrants in Calais. Their blatant disregard for what is right is the issue. There is a difference between aiming for a better life and getting one illegally. If the law doesn't have to apply to them, then why does it have to apply to us?

    No we such and cannot do what dutch do, as Calais is on french soil not uk soil .
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    AnnsyreAnnsyre Posts: 109,504
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    wizzywick wrote: »
    They could be water cannoned though. They are behaving like lawless thugs and the Dutch are quite happy to water cannon football hooligans (quite right too) so we should be doing the same to the migrants in Calais. Their blatant disregard for what is right is the issue. There is a difference between aiming for a better life and getting one illegally. If the law doesn't have to apply to them, then why does it have to apply to us?

    Aha, at last, a use for Johnson's water canons.;-)
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    AlbacomAlbacom Posts: 34,578
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    tim59 wrote: »
    No we such and cannot do what dutch do, as Calais is on french soil not uk soil .

    So, your solution? To let them carry on behaving like thugs and risking their own and others lives? If Cameron wanted to use water cannons I doubt the French would stop him. They seem reluctant to want to do anything themselves anyway - most French blame the British.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,325
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    I am real, and I do approve of this. The final quote is just bristling with indignation about shooting "unarmed civilians".... nice use of language there, these poor "unarmed civilians" are committing a CRIMINAL act - you do realise that don't you? They are invading our country, they are destroying property.

    They are not innocent souls strolling down the street minding their own business when they are shot for no reason... stop trying to make out they are, because you're not fooling anyone!

    Damaging fences, damaging lorries, invading a country - all CRIMINAL acts - and you know it.

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    Have you heard yourself?

    Why do you think they're all coming here? We have destroyed their country, and they were made promises by us that we'd make sure they were alright.

    They're just trying to get what we promised them.
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    tim59tim59 Posts: 47,188
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    I am real, and I do approve of this. The final quote is just bristling with indignation about shooting "unarmed civilians".... nice use of language there, these poor "unarmed civilians" are committing a CRIMINAL act - you do realise that don't you? They are invading our country, they are destroying property.

    They are not innocent souls strolling down the street minding their own business when they are shot for no reason... stop trying to make out they are, because you're not fooling anyone!

    Damaging fences, damaging lorries, invading a country - all CRIMINAL acts - and you know it.

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    Sorry but uk police dont shoot people for things like criminal damage, very difficult to for them to be invading our country as they are not a armed force. well shows that people like yourself never served in places like northern inland.
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    GreatGodPanGreatGodPan Posts: 53,186
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    I am real, and I do approve of this. The final quote is just bristling with indignation about shooting "unarmed civilians".... nice use of language there, these poor "unarmed civilians" are committing a CRIMINAL act - you do realise that don't you? They are invading our country, they are destroying property.

    They are not innocent souls strolling down the street minding their own business when they are shot for no reason... stop trying to make out they are, because you're not fooling anyone!

    Damaging fences, damaging lorries, invading a country - all CRIMINAL acts - and you know it.

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    What an utterly offensive post.
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    OxygenatedOxygenated Posts: 1,431
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    RubyNyx wrote: »
    Have you heard yourself?

    Why do you think they're all coming here? We have destroyed their country, and they were made promises by us that we'd make sure they were alright.

    They're just trying to get what we promised them.

    A lot of these people come from Eritrea and Pakistan. What did we do to these people?
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    Rastus PiefaceRastus Pieface Posts: 4,382
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    RubyNyx wrote: »
    Have you heard yourself?

    Why do you think they're all coming here? We have destroyed their country, and they were made promises by us that we'd make sure they were alright.

    They're just trying to get what we promised them.

    ahah. so we do know where they are coming from. so much for destroying their papers.
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    MeepersMeepers Posts: 5,502
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    I am real, and I do approve of this. The final quote is just bristling with indignation about shooting "unarmed civilians".... nice use of language there, these poor "unarmed civilians" are committing a CRIMINAL act - you do realise that don't you? They are invading our country, they are destroying property.
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    Oh please stop being such a drama queen. We aren't being invaded. Some of the poorest people in the world are desperately to make a better life for themselves. I don't agree with what they are doing but some of the reactions on here are ridiculous.

    And yes, they are unarmed civilians. Britain isn't some form of tin pot dictatorship where governments go round shooting civilians. We are, some DS posters aside, a vaguely civilised society
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    heresittingheresitting Posts: 2,743
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    What an utterly offensive post.


    Resorting to insults because you can't argue against my post eh?

    Because if you COULD have argued against it... you would.
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    AlbacomAlbacom Posts: 34,578
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    Meepers wrote: »
    Oh please stop being such a drama queen. We aren't being invaded. Some of the poorest people in the world are desperately to make a better life for themselves. I don't agree with what they are doing but some of the reactions on here are ridiculous.

    And yes, they are unarmed civilians. Britain isn't some form of tin pot dictatorship where governments go round shooting civilians. We are, some DS posters aside, a vaguely civilised society

    Did you notice their designer gear they were wearing? Or the use of smartphones by a couple sat on a bench? They are organised and know exactly what they are doing. They are terrorising innocent EU citizens by behaving the way they do. They are like the Somalian pirates by trying to get what they want and sod everyone else. The only reason they haven't attacked anyone is because they know they will be stopped. If you feel concerns for the poor little blighters, have you a spare room to offer them or do you expect me and everyone else in the UK to pay for their lives and their breeding and their healthcare and their education just so that you and others feel better about yourself? They are sodding criminals. The way they are behaving, their actions and their disregard to humans around them. If you or I acted in this way we would rightly be prosecuted. The UK do not accept people from overseas who are criminals. So, why should we start now?
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    AlbacomAlbacom Posts: 34,578
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    What an utterly offensive post.

    Why was it offensive? It seems to be that to be a leftie, you must find everything offensive.
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    heresittingheresitting Posts: 2,743
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    Meepers wrote: »
    Oh please stop being such a drama queen. We aren't being invaded. Some of the poorest people in the world are desperately to make a better life for themselves. I don't agree with what they are doing but some of the reactions on here are ridiculous.

    And yes, they are unarmed civilians. Britain isn't some form of tin pot dictatorship where governments go round shooting civilians. We are, some DS posters aside, a vaguely civilised society


    We ARE being invaded, when you have groups of people trying to legally enter your country, and they do that night after night after night... that is an invasion.

    As to your comments that they are unarmed - they are not. There have been interviews with lorry drivers who have been threatened with knives and guns. These supposed "unarmed civilians" are also armed with bolt cutters to break into lorries.

    While Britain may not (yet) be a tin-pot dictatorship (your words)... give it a few decades and if this continues, we will be. As to your comments that we don't shoot civilians - oh yes we do - we shoot them when we think there is a risk to life and/or they are committing a criminal act.
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    AlbacomAlbacom Posts: 34,578
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    Oxygenated wrote: »
    A lot of these people come from Eritrea and Pakistan. What did we do to these people?

    Look what the Vikings did to us. Bloody hell, I might storm Denmark or Norway for revenge. Whatever any country did to any other historically is irrelevant. There are ways of doing things and if these migrants want our hospitality then they need to gain our sympathy and respect. They are a long way off from gaining mine.
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    heresittingheresitting Posts: 2,743
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    tim59 wrote: »
    Sorry but uk police dont shoot people for things like criminal damage, very difficult to for them to be invading our country as they are not a armed force. well shows that people like yourself never served in places like northern inland.

    "Unarmed invasion" then - happy now?

    As to NI, do you think if the IRA had massed at a ferry port and rushed to get on board the ships night after night the UK gov would have been content with some sniffer dogs and a new fence!?
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    heresittingheresitting Posts: 2,743
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    wizzywick wrote: »
    Look what the Vikings did to us. Bloody hell, I might storm Denmark or Norway for revenge. Whatever any country did to any other historically is irrelevant. There are ways of doing things and if these migrants want our hospitality then they need to gain our sympathy and respect. They are a long way off from gaining mine.

    Don't forget the Romans. Free Gelato for all UK citizens!
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    GlastonGlaston Posts: 1,926
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    Caxton wrote: »
    What do you think he should be doing then, bearing in mind he has no jurisdiction in France?

    Send the Navy.

    A few Cruise missiles aimed at the French ferry mens Union HQ should move things along.
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    OxygenatedOxygenated Posts: 1,431
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    wizzywick wrote: »
    Look what the Vikings did to us. Bloody hell, I might storm Denmark or Norway for revenge. Whatever any country did to any other historically is irrelevant. There are ways of doing things and if these migrants want our hospitality then they need to gain our sympathy and respect. They are a long way off from gaining mine.

    I agree with this too. But many people seem to think they are coming from Iraq and Syria. Actually, some are coming from Iraq, but there are lots coming from many other countries.

    We are seen as a soft-touch by these illegal immigrants, so we have to change our stance. I can't see anything wrong with implementing the Australian system personally.
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    CaxtonCaxton Posts: 28,881
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    wizzywick wrote: »
    Did you notice their designer gear they were wearing? Or the use of smartphones by a couple sat on a bench? They are organised and know exactly what they are doing. They are terrorising innocent EU citizens by behaving the way they do. They are like the Somalian pirates by trying to get what they want and sod everyone else. The only reason they haven't attacked anyone is because they know they will be stopped. If you feel concerns for the poor little blighters, have you a spare room to offer them or do you expect me and everyone else in the UK to pay for their lives and their breeding and their healthcare and their education just so that you and others feel better about yourself? They are sodding criminals. The way they are behave, their actions and their disregard to humans around them. If you or I acted in this way we would rightly be prosecuted. The UK do not accept people from overseas who are criminals. So, why should we start now?

    Excellent post. They may want to make their lives better, but are the making our lives and the lorries drivers and haulage companies lives any better? No, we already have a shortage of housing and lack of jobs so why make it any worse.
    All we got from Harman and the Labour Part was a pathetic comment about our PM using the term "swarm" which is perfectly correct, look in any dictionary. I would go further and use the term "infestation"

    in-fes-ta-tion

    Examples
    Word Origin
    noun
    1.

    the act of infesting; state of being infested.
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    a harassing or troublesome invasion:
    an infestation of ants.
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    DaewosDaewos Posts: 8,345
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    I am real, and I do approve of this. The final quote is just bristling with indignation about shooting "unarmed civilians".... nice use of language there, these poor "unarmed civilians" are committing a CRIMINAL act - you do realise that don't you? They are invading our country, they are destroying property.

    They are not innocent souls strolling down the street minding their own business when they are shot for no reason... stop trying to make out they are, because you're not fooling anyone!

    Damaging fences, damaging lorries, invading a country - all CRIMINAL acts - and you know it.

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    God spare us from keyboard warriors. It is so easy to sit there foaming at the mouth demanding that people be shot. No thought to the poor sods who would have to do it? You really think it so easy to shoot an unarmed person?
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