I'm agnostic and I'm not angry I just find people who are blinded by faith quite sinister
My mum still goes to church my only family member who does, that;s her decision and she has a good social circle there, but even she avoids the ones there who are basically a bit fanatical[/
I' work hard at not judging people! Maybe you should do the same! Your comment is nothing more than a shocking generalisation and shows you up to be quite narrow minded!
Unless it is some quote from the bible what is your defence?
Again I am not being angry
My defence?? Re read your posts because they're my defence. You immediately lashed out, branded "religious people" sinister and described my faith as a cult! If those comments aren't fuelled by anger then I'm reading them wrong....Nope, they seem shrouded in anger to me.
My defence?? Re read your posts because they're my defence. You immediately lashed out, branded "religious people" sinister and described my faith as a cult! If those comments aren't fuelled by anger then I'm reading them wrong....Nope, they seem shrouded in anger to me.
My defence?? Re read your posts because they're my defence. You immediately lashed out, branded "religious people" sinister and described my faith as a cult! If those comments aren't fuelled by anger then I'm reading them wrong....Nope, they seem shrouded in anger to me.
I never said the word cult
was brought up Catholic and turned my back on it
Your faith is your choice, my choice to disagree and find the whole thing sinister is not being angry or small minded, I know enough about Christianity to question its values
actually it really doesn't seem to be me who is the angry one
Can you state exactly why he would have to be nailed or tied to a couple of pieces of wood and die in agony in the heat? How would that atone for whatever sins all the people who came along afterwards would do be it mass murder or stealing bubblegum from the shop?
If to tell us we HAVE to believe in something, then you should have the decency to explain why
Unless you are are Sister Mary Charles, that mad Scottish nun I was shit scared of in school:o
The crucifixion was the last act of sacrifice. The Hebrew religion requires religious sacrifice of Lamb to atone for Sin. Christ is the Christian sacrificial lamb.
The suffering and shedding of blood, it's awful and horrific but it's not random and has purpose for Christians and all people.
The scriptures from deuteronomy says What would happen if they were disobedient.
62 And ye shall be left few in number, whereas ye were as the stars of heaven for multitude; because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the Lord thy God.
63 And it shall come to pass, that as the Lord rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the Lord will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it.
64 And the Lord shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.
65 And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the Lord shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind:
66 And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life:
67 In the morning thou shalt say, Would God it were even! and at even thou shalt say, Would God it were morning! for the fear of thine heart wherewith thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.
68 And the Lord shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.
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To be honest I wouldn't feel safe going for a country walk on my own with a person who believed that to be true .
Any God who requires His own son Himself to be crucified to cleanse the 'sins' of the life-forms He created in the first place is quite frankly certifiably insane.
The crucifixion was the last act of sacrifice. The Hebrew religion requires religious sacrifice of Lamb to atone for Sin. Christ is the Christian sacrificial lamb.
The suffering and shedding of blood, it's awful and horrific but it's not random and has purpose for Christians and all people.
You provided a response to my question without having a rant and I respect that
However I do not condone violence in any way especially being veiled in the name of sacrifice be it Jesus Hoobastank Christ or a little fluffy lamb
If you want to believe in God that is fine, it is your choice, but why should bloodshed and suffering be made akin to religion? Hasn't enough misery and agony been caused amongst the world over the centuries because someone said this or that in the name of the God they followed?
You provided a response to my question without having a rant and I respect that
However I do not condone violence in any way especially being veiled in the name of sacrifice be it Jesus Hoobastank Christ or a little fluffy lamb
If you want to believe in God that is fine, it is your choice, but why should bloodshed and suffering be made akin to religion? Hasn't enough misery and agony been caused amongst the world over the centuries because someone said this or that in the name of the God they followed?
Strictly speaking, everybody who has responded, in this thread, is an atheist. Only some of us go a god further than the believers.
I posted a quote earlier in this thread which said something very similar. Here it is again...
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours
You provided a response to my question without having a rant and I respect that
However I do not condone violence in any way especially being veiled in the name of sacrifice be it Jesus Hoobastank Christ or a little fluffy lamb
If you want to believe in God that is fine, it is your choice, but why should bloodshed and suffering be made akin to religion? Hasn't enough misery and agony been caused amongst the world over the centuries because someone said this or that in the name of the God they followed?
To be honest, if I was God, I'd abolish religion
Not sure why I'd have felt the need to have a rant, but thanks
With the suffering question I just take it for what it is, because whether or not God exists suffering does exist.
Anyway that's all I have for tonight cos it's late and I'm tired.. But just one question... Who or what is Hoobastank?
So are you saying you would have people like me sectioned!
Of course not but my point is that religion is held to a different standard of evidence than anything else in society.
Saying that you worship Allah or Yahweh and that is something to be admired. But say that you worship the invisible fairies living at the bottom of your garden and you would be regarded as very odd to say the least.
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You didn't answer my question, do you get annoyed at said cults?
My defence?? Re read your posts because they're my defence. You immediately lashed out, branded "religious people" sinister and described my faith as a cult! If those comments aren't fuelled by anger then I'm reading them wrong....Nope, they seem shrouded in anger to me.
Shame all that hard work isn't paying off
She didn't call your religion a cult, I did.
You seem to be the one who is angry here.
Shock? It took you 5,000+ posts to realise? :kitty:
Actually it's been a pretty good thread for most of us.
I never said the word cult
was brought up Catholic and turned my back on it
Your faith is your choice, my choice to disagree and find the whole thing sinister is not being angry or small minded, I know enough about Christianity to question its values
actually it really doesn't seem to be me who is the angry one
It's playground stuff, "my Dad can beat up your Dad".
As I posted a few days ago; do you feel it unreasonable for parents to set out rules in the family for the smooth running of the family?
The crucifixion was the last act of sacrifice. The Hebrew religion requires religious sacrifice of Lamb to atone for Sin. Christ is the Christian sacrificial lamb.
The suffering and shedding of blood, it's awful and horrific but it's not random and has purpose for Christians and all people.
To be honest I wouldn't feel safe going for a country walk on my own with a person who believed that to be true .
You provided a response to my question without having a rant and I respect that
However I do not condone violence in any way especially being veiled in the name of sacrifice be it Jesus Hoobastank Christ or a little fluffy lamb
If you want to believe in God that is fine, it is your choice, but why should bloodshed and suffering be made akin to religion? Hasn't enough misery and agony been caused amongst the world over the centuries because someone said this or that in the name of the God they followed?
To be honest, if I was God, I'd abolish religion
I have too say that God is having his arse kicked all over the shop by Satan judging from the history of the last ten-thousand years or so.
I posted a quote earlier in this thread which said something very similar. Here it is again...
by Stephen Roberts
Not sure why I'd have felt the need to have a rant, but thanks
With the suffering question I just take it for what it is, because whether or not God exists suffering does exist.
Anyway that's all I have for tonight cos it's late and I'm tired.. But just one question... Who or what is Hoobastank?
So are you saying you would have people like me sectioned!
To be honest I wouldn't feel safe going for a country walk on my own with a person who believed that to be true .[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't you? You best stay indoors then.
Well I might print it off and ask them to read it and say whether they agree with it or not before we set off ;-)
Of course not but my point is that religion is held to a different standard of evidence than anything else in society.
Saying that you worship Allah or Yahweh and that is something to be admired. But say that you worship the invisible fairies living at the bottom of your garden and you would be regarded as very odd to say the least.
The empirical evidence for both? Absolute zero.
But which gets the most respect?
We could try harder to think up our own comedy material.