Getting sick of hearing about mark duggan and his families quest for their pound of flesh from the police. My view is that mark duggan was in possession of a gun. No one who is law abiding needs to carry a gun only those with criminal intentions. The police in my opinion acted within the law. Though duggans family will see things differently. How long will it be before the family take a leaf out of the lawrence book and have a memorial where he fell.
where is the fm anais32? they were very vocal in this here thread before the verdict. at least we now know for the future their posts are less than credible
Anais 32, like me and several others thought the jury would return an open verdict.
As far as I know, the only poster to think the jury would come up with an unlawful killing verdict was 1MJ1.
Anais 32, like me and several others thought the jury would return an open verdict.
As far as I know, the only poster to think the jury would come up with an unlawful killing verdict was 1MJ1.
Yes I did and I gave the reason for that, namely the difficulty the police was going to have to explain where the gun ended up and that it was going to be down to V53's testimony.
But I gave an explanation for where the gun ended up too. It was the same as the Jury found.
Basically it all came down to V53's evidence and none of us could see his behaviours / look into his eyes when he gave the evidence.
I don't recall reading or hearing any of duggans dysfunctional family condemning him for driving around with a gun on the way to kill someone!!!!! Obviously it was the fault of the police that made him do it!!!! (rolleyes) I think they're more concerned that he got caught doing it.
I hope the authorities don't listen to these stupid people wanting an inquiry about something that had a lawful outcome. It'll just be a waste of everyones time. If they hadn't had such an idiot as a relative they wouldn't be in this position. I hope they don't get any more publicity either.
' Mark Duggan's aunt, Carole Duggan, who said before the event she wanted "no more violence", addressed the crowd from the steps of the police station.
She said: "We have to remember Mark is not the first person to die at the hands of the police.
"There's been thousands more."
Where do they get their stats from ?
You would think a death while being arrested is a common event when its very rare.
they are blinded by the facts ' in their Head ' - I am sure if Adolf Hitler's relatives were still about they would claim ' he was such a nice kind boy '
Sure there has been occasions when the Police got it wrong - but on this occasion I believe they got it right.
I agree with you that they should not get any more publicity.
Yes I did and I gave the reason for that, namely the difficulty the police was going to have to explain where the gun ended up and that it was going to be down to V53's testimony.
But I gave an explanation for where the gun ended up too. It was the same as the Jury found.
Basically it all came down to V53's evidence and none of us could see his behaviours / look into his eyes when he gave the evidence.
The BIB is key, I think. We were saying throughout that, although the transcripts gave us a pretty good idea as to how witnesses were coming across, it would have been a great help to have been able to see/hear them. I had expected an open verdict, but it does look as though V53 was even more credible in the flesh than on paper.
Carol said: “The more we people come together and support each other, maybe we can make a better life for our children, for all of those children who have to live in these communities that are over-policed, where they are not free.”
Family friend Stafford Scott – venting his anger at what the protesters claim is a police cover-up – said: “666 is the number of the beast.
Oh dear... I don't think that will do him well in the next election.
I sort of feel sorry for David Lammy. I doubt we'll ever know his real thoughts on this, as he's having to try and find ways to please everyone.
Coming out and questioning the jury and the inquest is somewhat dangerous, but he also needs votes and has to be seen to represent the 'community'. He ends up seeming to contradict himself or sitting very firmly on the fence - but not attending the vigil was quite telling (and as suggested before, I guess he was told to stay away once it was known the usual suspects would hijack it).
Of course, most of the 'community' were probably quite happy with the verdict, but have remained quiet. And even those who may have other issues with the police, especially youths stopped regularly by the police, are probably capable of seeing the difference.
So just because you disagree with them, they default to "pond life" ?
No they are pond life because they act thick and ignorant of the laws of this land and think that clubbing together as a mob issuing threats is the way to get that law no applied to them.
In this country, good or bad, justice is done in a court of law and 12 people making the final decision. That process has been done so why does this lot think that that is not good enough and they are still demanding justice for their gun totting thug of a son?
It's like the gypsies thinking that only laws they want to abuse apply to them.
It's good that they are not allowed to just bulldoze and bully their nonsense through.
Carol said: “The more we people come together and support each other, maybe we can make a better life for our children, for all of those children who have to live in these communities that are over-policed, where they are not free.”
Perhaps the pertinent question is why these "communities" are over policed.
Carol said: “The more we people come together and support each other, maybe we can make a better life for our children, for all of those children who have to live in these communities that are over-policed, where they are not free.”
Family friend Stafford Scott – venting his anger at what the protesters claim is a police cover-up – said: “666 is the number of the beast.
Surely if they want a better life for their children then maybe teaching them that being mindless gun carrying thugs, would be the way to go. As if not, they are always going to have problems if they think they can pick and chose the laws that they will follow.
I sort of feel sorry for David Lammy. I doubt we'll ever know his real thoughts on this, as he's having to try and find ways to please everyone.
Coming out and questioning the jury and the inquest is somewhat dangerous, but he also needs votes and has to be seen to represent the 'community'. He ends up seeming to contradict himself or sitting very firmly on the fence - but not attending the vigil was quite telling (and as suggested before, I guess he was told to stay away once it was known the usual suspects would hijack it).
Of course, most of the 'community' were probably quite happy with the verdict, but have remained quiet. And even those who may have other issues with the police, especially youths stopped regularly by the police, are probably capable of seeing the difference.
I expect that the ordinary, decent people in Tottenham are capable of reading and understanding articles like this
Carol said: “The more we people come together and support each other, maybe we can make a better life for our children, for all of those children who have to live in these communities that are over-policed, where they are not free.”
If I was a criminal, I'd certainly agree with that.
Family friend Stafford Scott – venting his anger at what the protesters claim is a police cover-up – said: “666 is the number of the beast.
“Turn it around and you get the police.”
With family friends like that, it's hardly surprising the Duggan family isn't exactly being guided toward level-headedness.
I sort of feel sorry for David Lammy. I doubt we'll ever know his real thoughts on this, as he's having to try and find ways to please everyone.
Coming out and questioning the jury and the inquest is somewhat dangerous, but he also needs votes and has to be seen to represent the 'community'. He ends up seeming to contradict himself or sitting very firmly on the fence - but not attending the vigil was quite telling (and as suggested before, I guess he was told to stay away once it was known the usual suspects would hijack it).
Of course, most of the 'community' were probably quite happy with the verdict, but have remained quiet. And even those who may have other issues with the police, especially youths stopped regularly by the police, are probably capable of seeing the difference.
If, as Lammy's said last week, 99% of 'the community' are decent law abiding people, why does he have to be careful, why not say what the 99% would (presumably) like him to say, taking the chance to try and 'redeem' or put straight some of the errant 1%?
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Yup. That apple didn't fall far from the family tree.
Anais 32, like me and several others thought the jury would return an open verdict.
As far as I know, the only poster to think the jury would come up with an unlawful killing verdict was 1MJ1.
Well the boys and girls on urban75 are displaying their usual hatred for the boys in blue.
Yes I did and I gave the reason for that, namely the difficulty the police was going to have to explain where the gun ended up and that it was going to be down to V53's testimony.
But I gave an explanation for where the gun ended up too. It was the same as the Jury found.
Basically it all came down to V53's evidence and none of us could see his behaviours / look into his eyes when he gave the evidence.
Drug dealing doesn't pay was it used to.
That looks like a fairly unpleasant place to hang out
I got banned on there within hours. I hadn't realised just how Left-wing and totalitarian the place was.
I quote from
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25686732
' Mark Duggan's aunt, Carole Duggan, who said before the event she wanted "no more violence", addressed the crowd from the steps of the police station.
She said: "We have to remember Mark is not the first person to die at the hands of the police.
"There's been thousands more."
Where do they get their stats from ?
You would think a death while being arrested is a common event when its very rare.
they are blinded by the facts ' in their Head ' - I am sure if Adolf Hitler's relatives were still about they would claim ' he was such a nice kind boy '
Sure there has been occasions when the Police got it wrong - but on this occasion I believe they got it right.
I agree with you that they should not get any more publicity.
The BIB is key, I think. We were saying throughout that, although the transcripts gave us a pretty good idea as to how witnesses were coming across, it would have been a great help to have been able to see/hear them. I had expected an open verdict, but it does look as though V53 was even more credible in the flesh than on paper.
So just because you disagree with them, they default to "pond life" ?
Lammy didn't quite describe it as pond life but he came very close:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25702948
Oh dear... I don't think that will do him well in the next election.
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Carol said: “The more we people come together and support each other, maybe we can make a better life for our children, for all of those children who have to live in these communities that are over-policed, where they are not free.”
Family friend Stafford Scott – venting his anger at what the protesters claim is a police cover-up – said: “666 is the number of the beast.
“Turn it around and you get the police.”
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I sort of feel sorry for David Lammy. I doubt we'll ever know his real thoughts on this, as he's having to try and find ways to please everyone.
Coming out and questioning the jury and the inquest is somewhat dangerous, but he also needs votes and has to be seen to represent the 'community'. He ends up seeming to contradict himself or sitting very firmly on the fence - but not attending the vigil was quite telling (and as suggested before, I guess he was told to stay away once it was known the usual suspects would hijack it).
Of course, most of the 'community' were probably quite happy with the verdict, but have remained quiet. And even those who may have other issues with the police, especially youths stopped regularly by the police, are probably capable of seeing the difference.
No they are pond life because they act thick and ignorant of the laws of this land and think that clubbing together as a mob issuing threats is the way to get that law no applied to them.
In this country, good or bad, justice is done in a court of law and 12 people making the final decision. That process has been done so why does this lot think that that is not good enough and they are still demanding justice for their gun totting thug of a son?
It's like the gypsies thinking that only laws they want to abuse apply to them.
It's good that they are not allowed to just bulldoze and bully their nonsense through.
Perhaps the pertinent question is why these "communities" are over policed.
Surely if they want a better life for their children then maybe teaching them that being mindless gun carrying thugs, would be the way to go. As if not, they are always going to have problems if they think they can pick and chose the laws that they will follow.
I expect that the ordinary, decent people in Tottenham are capable of reading and understanding articles like this
http://www.tottenhamjournal.co.uk/news/crime-court/mark_duggan_inquest_police_efforts_to_crush_the_tottenham_man_dem_tmd_gang_1_3187839
in their local paper.
According to that article, there is a gang called The London Fields Boys. Who would have thought that 'gangstas' were fans of Martin Amis?
If I was a criminal, I'd certainly agree with that.
With family friends like that, it's hardly surprising the Duggan family isn't exactly being guided toward level-headedness.
No, he simply said he would not be prepared to share a platform with anarchist groups.
That's not the same as the puerile phrase "pond life". Insults being the resort of those who have no other meaningful contribution to offer up.
That almost describes the anarchists he was referring to
If, as Lammy's said last week, 99% of 'the community' are decent law abiding people, why does he have to be careful, why not say what the 99% would (presumably) like him to say, taking the chance to try and 'redeem' or put straight some of the errant 1%?