Some might say that England is renowned for drunken, abusive, racist and rampant hooliganism within their football support. Countries throughput europe may fear such fans entering our countries for fear they may rip up our stadia, destroy our streets, brick the windows of our shops and run havoc in our European cities. I reckon the above description of the average English football fan is wholly inaccurate.
Some also say we (UK) are a Christian country bla de bla.. They have had their menacing power and control considerably reduced too and not before time.
Chosen religion is exactly where it should be and cannot usurp legal equal rights any longer..
You mean because the Dublin metro tosspot thought the provincial peasant would vote NO and they voted YES?
Sadly I cannot comment, this thread has already banned a close Irish, gay , disabled friend for life for posting negative comments that were not " in the spirit of the thread ". [ whatever that means ].
I don't think anyone thought the Scottish Referendum was a landslide, it was 54/46, unless you mean the turnout which was HUGE..
The SNP getting 56 seats out of 59 in the UK GE, now that is a landslide, plus a tsunami .
You do realise that the SNP got 50% of the popular vote in Scotland? Now that's still very impressive, but it's a massive fallacy for you to say that a 62% result in a referendum is less of a landslide than a 50% share in a "first past the post" election.
Sadly I cannot comment, this thread has already banned a close Irish, gay , disabled friend for life for posting negative comments that were not " in the spirit of the thread ". [ whatever that means ].
Yes of course that happened. (I mean to your good friend)
You do realise that the SNP got 50% of the popular vote in Scotland? Now that's still very impressive, but it's a massive fallacy for you to say that a 62% result in a referendum is less of a landslide than a 50% share in a "first past the post" election.
With all due respect to all posters . Ireland is considered to be a catholic country with deep family traditions where the family unit is man and woman. Same sex marriage doesnt fit in that unit. I am shocked that ireland have voted the way that they have. Just saying
I'm not surprised. I think the pertinent word in your post is 'considered'.
Catholics is Ireland (and elsewhere) are nominally deeply committed to the religion but live far more prosaic lives, compromising on things like contraception, and sexuality.
As the Catholic church weakens the latent progressiveness comes out, as seen in this referendum.
I'm not surprised. I think the pertinent word in your post is 'considered'.
Catholics is Ireland (and elsewhere) are nominally deeply committed to the religion but live far more prosaic lives, compromising on things like contraception, and sexuality.
As the Catholic church weakens the latent progressiveness comes out, as seen in this referendum.
But what was caused this weakening of the Church Of Rome's stranglehold in Ireland ?
But what was caused this weakening of the Church Of Rome's stranglehold in Ireland ?
Maybe living next door to the progressive UK ?
Ireland has always lived next door to the UK and that has never had any weakening effect of people's attachment to the Catholic Church. It was the scandals that came to light in Ireland itself which did that.
Well, I'm sure most of them consider themselves to be "good" people. However, the fact remains that they were determined to see a section of society to continue to be treated as unworthy of the institution of marriage.
Well, I'm sure most of them consider themselves to be "good" people. However, the fact remains that they were determined to see a section of society to continue to be treated as unworthy of the institution of marriage.
To brand them sub-human though, that's a very extreme view.
We have to respect everyone's opinion, whether we agree with them or not. The people who voted No were merely exercising their democratic right to put forward their view.
Well, I'm sure most of them consider themselves to be "good" people. However, the fact remains that they were determined to see a section of society to continue to be treated as unworthy of the institution of marriage.
They were, but I wouldn't describe them in those words.
To brand them sub-human though, that's a very extreme view.
We have to respect everyone's opinion, whether we agree with them or not. The people who voted No were merely exercising their democratic right to put forward their view.
And quite clearly the wrong view. No defence for that at all.
But what was caused this weakening of the Church Of Rome's stranglehold in Ireland ?
Maybe living next door to the progressive UK ?
Here is a question for you, who put homosexuality in Ireland on our statue books as a crime? A) Rome Homer Simpson C) Father Ted or D) The Brits?
Ponder that for a moment.
To brand them sub-human though, that's a very extreme view.
We have to respect everyone's opinion, whether we agree with them or not. The people who voted No were merely exercising their democratic right to put forward their view.
No we don't have to respect everyone's opinion. We should respect everyone's right to an opinion, but we can treat that opinion however we like.
I respect someone's right to have the opinion that gay marriage is wrong, but I think that's an absolutely awful opinion and will say that. I completely judge anybody of such opinion as abhorrent.
Should Hitler's opinion on Jews have been respected?
No we don't have to respect everyone's opinion. We should respect everyone's right to an opinion, but we can treat that opinion however we like.
Then you have to accept that also cuts both ways. However, calling people who disagree 'sub human scum' simply places that poster and others down in the gutter.
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Some also say we (UK) are a Christian country bla de bla.. They have had their menacing power and control considerably reduced too and not before time.
Chosen religion is exactly where it should be and cannot usurp legal equal rights any longer..
Sadly I cannot comment, this thread has already banned a close Irish, gay , disabled friend for life for posting negative comments that were not " in the spirit of the thread ". [ whatever that means ].
Yes of course that happened. (I mean to your good friend)
That is true, I apologise.
I'm not surprised. I think the pertinent word in your post is 'considered'.
Catholics is Ireland (and elsewhere) are nominally deeply committed to the religion but live far more prosaic lives, compromising on things like contraception, and sexuality.
As the Catholic church weakens the latent progressiveness comes out, as seen in this referendum.
But what was caused this weakening of the Church Of Rome's stranglehold in Ireland ?
Maybe living next door to the progressive UK ?
The scandals. I thought that was obvious.
Maybe assuming that Catholics will automatically object to gay marriage because they're told to is the discrepancy.
True too. I have to say the church didn't mount that much of a attack to a YES vote.
Obvious to the Irish maybe ...........expand ?
Nope, if you don't understand the scandals, google is your friend.
Well that's good, they don't want to look like those fundamentalists in America. The Westborough Baptists.
Ireland has always lived next door to the UK and that has never had any weakening effect of people's attachment to the Catholic Church. It was the scandals that came to light in Ireland itself which did that.
Why are they sub-human scum?
To brand them sub-human though, that's a very extreme view.
We have to respect everyone's opinion, whether we agree with them or not. The people who voted No were merely exercising their democratic right to put forward their view.
They were, but I wouldn't describe them in those words.
And quite clearly the wrong view. No defence for that at all.
Here is a question for you, who put homosexuality in Ireland on our statue books as a crime? A) Rome
Ponder that for a moment.
I'd argue that there is no defence for calling anyone sub-human, simply for having a different opinion.
Abortion next, eh?
No we don't have to respect everyone's opinion. We should respect everyone's right to an opinion, but we can treat that opinion however we like.
I respect someone's right to have the opinion that gay marriage is wrong, but I think that's an absolutely awful opinion and will say that. I completely judge anybody of such opinion as abhorrent.
Should Hitler's opinion on Jews have been respected?