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Could, would Hodgson drop all the old failures?

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    Mark FMark F Posts: 54,077
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    Gerrard and Ferdinand are so injury prone it seems that we'd be taking a risk relying on them I feel.

    Lampard could do a job as s sub maybe and one of the few mature players in the squad.

    Terry..well he'll probably demand to be picked.
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    ihatemarmiteihatemarmite Posts: 5,605
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    Hodgson's taken over too late to make any real changes for the Euros. Afterwards I can see him doing so, in favour of younger players.
    Have to laugh at the thought of Terry, Cole et al doing Roy's defensive drills. I really wish him well - it's going to be tough dealing with The Egos.
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    bobcarbobcar Posts: 19,424
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    Kierenj wrote: »
    It's not that interesting... I'm picking people on form... not on what they did 6 months ago... I thought that's what you wanted Hodgson to do? Make your mind up :rolleyes:

    I never said anything about what I wanted Hodgson to do so I don't have to make my mind up. (I could have put roll eyes after that but it adds so little:)).

    If you can't take into account how people did 6 months ago then you will end up with a very limited team and if you can only include players who have played against the likes of Barca in the last month then even more so. I see no great loss of form from Lescott and Jagielka recently to suggest they can't do now what they did then.
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    BrumBallBrumBall Posts: 2,060
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    seellee wrote: »
    I think it's dangerous to pick John Terry, purely because he splits the dressing room. No matter how well he's playing. Roy Hodgson cannot manage big personalities/players.

    Why, because he failed at Liverpool?
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    OsusanaOsusana Posts: 7,512
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    BrumBall wrote: »
    Why, because he failed at Liverpool?

    I prefer the terms 'hobbled' and not given time to succeed rather than "failed":D
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    seelleeseellee Posts: 10,725
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    BrumBall wrote: »
    Why, because he failed at Liverpool?

    Precisely! Well done you for getting that!
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    MojoMasterMojoMaster Posts: 6,494
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    It doesn't matter who we take.

    Quarter finals at best.

    The young ones do not look any better than the old guard.

    They are all crap at playing with pace and keeping the ball, so he can take who he likes.

    He would do well to try and take Scholes though.
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    BrumBallBrumBall Posts: 2,060
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    seellee wrote: »
    Precisely! Well done you for getting that!

    And because he wasn't successful with Liverpool, that automatically means he won't be with England?
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    MojoMasterMojoMaster Posts: 6,494
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    Anyone with any ounce of sense knows Hodgson wasn't given a chance at Liverpool.

    People who use that stint to try to justify their point are very silly.
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    seelleeseellee Posts: 10,725
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    BrumBall wrote: »
    And because he wasn't successful with Liverpool, that automatically means he won't be with England?

    Nope I'm not saying that. I just don't think he does well with big players. He's always done best at small clubs/small nations. He may well do well with England, if he does great. He was appointed LFC manager at the wrong time and also he was the wrong choice. If he had have stayed at LFC I really don't think we would even be in the top half of the table. I'm sure people will say I'll never know that. Fine, that's just the way it was heading.
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    Jimmy_McNultyJimmy_McNulty Posts: 11,378
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    He will get rid of some of the old guard, and bring in Zamora, Greening and Johnson :cool::cool::cool:

    I think Murphy might just miss out.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 2,178
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    Most people don't realise the FA have influence over selection of the England squad.
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    LittleMinx25LittleMinx25 Posts: 3,246
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    BomoLad wrote: »
    Why are they failures? Because they haven't won a World Cup? Is that the measuring stick of failure now?

    Because they would rather go out & sleep with kiss & tell girls, other peoples wives or prossies then actually bother to play football & try & win something!!!

    Overpaid & underachieved!!!
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    Cantona07Cantona07 Posts: 56,910
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    Because they would rather go out & sleep with kiss & tell girls, other peoples wives or prossies then actually bother to play football & try & win something!!!

    Overpaid & underachieved!!!

    John Terry

    Honours Chelsea

    2004–05, 2005–06, 2009–10
    FA Cup (4): 2000, 2007, 2009, 2010
    League Cup (2): 2005, 2007
    FA Community Shield (2): 2005, 2009
    World Football Challenge (1): 2009
    Barclays Asia Trophy (2): 2003, 2011

    Individual
    PFA Player of the Year: 2004–05
    FIFA World Cup Team of the Tournament: 2006
    FIFPro World XI: 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009
    UEFA Club Football Awards Best Defender: 2005, 2008, 2009[92]
    UEFA Team of the Year: 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009
    Chelsea Player of the Year: 2001, 2006


    Frank Lampard

    Honours
    West Ham United
    UEFA Intertoto Cup (1): 1999

    Chelsea
    Premier League (3): 2004–05, 2005–06, 2009–10
    FA Cup (3): 2007, 2009, 2010
    League Cup (2): 2005, 2007
    FA Community Shield (2): 2005, 2009
    World Football Challenge (1): 2009
    Barclays Asia Trophy (2): 2003, 2011


    FA Summer Tournament (1): 2004
    Individual2005 FIFA World Player of the Year - Silver Award
    2005 Ballon d'Or - Silver Award
    FWA Footballer of the Year - 2005
    UEFA Club Midfielder of the Year - 2008
    World XI - 2005
    PFA Fans' Player of the Year - 2005
    Premier League : Player of the Decade, (2000–2009) according to official statistics[12]
    Premier League : Best player (2) - 2004–05, 2005–06
    Premier League 20 Seasons Awards : Premier League 500 Club
    England Player of the Year - 2004, 2005
    UEFA Euro 2004 Team of the Tournament
    2006 FIFA World Cup : Man of the match vs Paraguay
    Premier League Player of the Month - September 2003, April 2005, October 2005, October 2008
    Premier League Player of the Season - 2004-05, 2005–06
    Chelsea Player of the Year - 2004, 2005, 2009
    PFA Premier League Team of the Year - 2004, 2005, 2006
    Premier League : 2004–05 Barclays Merit Award (for 164 consecutive appearances)
    ESM Team of the Year - 2004/2005, 2005/2006, 2009/2010
    FWA Tribute Award - 2010
    Premier League : leader in assists - 2004–05 : 16 assists, 2009–10 : 17 assists
    FA Cup: Best player - 2006–07, 2008–09, 2009–10
    FA Cup Final Man of the Match: 2007
    Carling Cup : Best player - 2004–05, 2006–07
    Premier League : Midfielder with the most goals in premier league history - 150 goals
    Chelsea F.C. : Top goalscorer - 2004–05, 2005–06, 2007–08
    Goal of the Month - April 2010
    2011 Barclays Asia Trophy - player of tournament
    2003 FA Premier League Asia Cup - player of tournament
    only player to score at least 10 goals in nine consecutive seasons in the Premier League.

    Steven Gerrard

    Honours

    Liverpool
    FA Cup (2): 2000–01, 2005–06
    League Cup (3): 2000–01, 2002–03, 2011–12
    FA Community Shield (2): 2001, 2006
    UEFA Champions League (1): 2004–05
    UEFA Cup (1): 2000–01
    UEFA Super Cup (2): 2001, 2005

    Individual
    FWA Footballer of the Year: 2009
    PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2006
    PFA Young Player of the Year: 2001
    PFA Fans' Player of the Year: 2001, 2009
    PFA Team of the Year: 2001, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009
    FA Premier League Player of the Month: March 2001, March 2003, December 2004, April 2006, March 2009
    Liverpool Top Goalscorer: 2004–05, 2005–06, 2008–09
    UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2005
    UEFA Champions League Final Man of the Match: 2005
    UEFA Team of the Year: 2005, 2006, 2007
    FIFA/FIFPro World XI: 2007, 2008, 2009[105]
    FA Cup Final Man of the Match: 2006
    Goal of the Season: 2006
    England Player of the Year: 2007
    Member of the Order of the British Empire (MBE): 2007
    Honorary Fellowship from Liverpool John Moores University: 2008
    BBC Sports Personality of the Year Award 3rd Place: 2005

    Rio Ferdinand
    Honours
    Club
    Manchester United
    Premier League (5): 2002–03, 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11
    Football League Cup (2): 2005–06, 2008–09
    FA Community Shield (4): 2003, 2007, 2008, 2011
    UEFA Champions League (1): 2007–08
    FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2008

    Individual
    Hammer of the Year (1): 1997–98
    PFA Premier League Team of the Year (5): 2001–02 (Leeds), 2004–05, 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09 (Manchester United)
    Premier League Player of the Month (1): October 2001
    FIFPro World XI (1): 2007–08
    London Youth Games Hall of Fame: 2009 inductee[46]


    Do you maybe want to re-think your post?

    The "Old Guard" are some of the most decorated players in British football. The idea that they dont try or dont care is ridiculous. They are still playing at the top level for their club in arguably more demanding environments. Maybe need to look a wee bit deeper as to why England arent a huge success and never have been rather than blame on the last small crop of guys who were actually any good.
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    celesticelesti Posts: 26,022
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    Zmiler7 wrote: »
    Most people don't realise the FA have influence over selection of the England squad.

    Where have you discovered this rare goldmine of information?
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    HeavenlyHeavenly Posts: 31,915
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    Thre is too much hatred for individual clubs when it comes to choosing players for England.

    I understand, up to a point, why people wouldn't want JT, even though I still think he has plenty to give for England, I understand about the possible problems with him and Rio, if the Manager can't sort that out, then something has to give. But with regards to Lamps and Ash, they have been excellent for us. We need a balance of experience and youth with England, as in all teams.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 6,400
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    The old gaurd have to go to the tournament because they are the ones who are the 'poster boys' who generate so much revenue for the FA, cant be picking nobodies as they dont generate money & that is the FA's core remit along with the FA premier league & football league. All they care about are image, endorsements & sponsorship / TV rights & hence thats why the national side will never gar anywhere , becuase the most intrinsic part of the operation is left to plod along going through the motions.

    Take the talented youngsters , give them a go, how much worse could they do, seriously you cant see the 'old guard' beating Spain, Germany , Italy when it matters , so take our U21 side & give them a go, be hell of a sight more entertaining than watching the various lothario's , adulterers & showboaters on fat deals huffing & puffing about bemoaning their luck that we usualy send, mind they are good for the comedy value as the Germans , Spaniards run rings round them.

    :)
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    BomoLadBomoLad Posts: 17,821
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    They should go but I think for some, like Ferdinand who is 33, and Gerrard who is broken, should really be there more as an example to the younger players. I'm not saying they shouldn't play but neither man will be around for the next World Cup in 2014. Rio's back problems and age ensure that and Gerrard, if he is still playing, will at this rate manage just two games a season. It's important therefore that the young players get experience ahead of Brazil.

    Terry I wouldn't take at all. For obvious reasons. I also think he's a bit of a dressing room politicker. Following that press conference he gave in South Africa, for the life if me I don't see why Capello didn't toss him out of the squad. If the man was able to speak/understand English properly, he probably would have.
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    KierenjKierenj Posts: 2,457
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    Take the talented youngsters , give them a go, how much worse could they do, seriously you cant see the 'old guard' beating Spain, Germany , Italy when it matters , so take our U21 side & give them a go, be hell of a sight more entertaining than watching the various lothario's , adulterers & showboaters on fat deals huffing & puffing about bemoaning their luck that we usualy send, mind they are good for the comedy value as the Germans , Spaniards run rings round them.

    :)

    really? Did you watch the U21s play last year... woeful.
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    BomoLadBomoLad Posts: 17,821
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    Kierenj wrote: »
    really? Did you watch the U21s play last year... woeful.

    Stuart Pearce for England, then?
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    celesticelesti Posts: 26,022
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    Sheepdog's post is basically 'I don't like these people, logic be damned'

    I remember we had people calling for Championship players to represent England because they'd try really hard, and it was peppered with nonsense like prima donna that people use without thought.
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    Mark FMark F Posts: 54,077
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    Not a player but seems like Stuart Pearce will be dumped with Ray Lewington coming in.

    Might make it less cosy for the England boys.
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    Cantona07Cantona07 Posts: 56,910
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    celesti wrote: »
    Sheepdog's post is basically 'I don't like these people, logic be damned'

    I remember we had people calling for Championship players to represent England because they'd try really hard, and it was peppered with nonsense like prima donna that people use without thought.

    Yeah i remember that stuff. The reasoning behind that has far more to do with Englands perceived lack of success than any highly successful collection of older players pulling on the shirt when they are over 30.

    As I've said so often, in other countries you are accommodated in the team when you get to a certain age in an attempt to preserve and prolong. In England the hunt is on for the replacement before the original has got to their prime.
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    Syntax ErrorSyntax Error Posts: 27,804
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    Apart from Cole & Gerrard, I'd be quite happy for Hodgson to drop the rest of the so-called 'Golden Generation' (I still want to know who coined that one?:confused:), but I don't think he will.
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    Leicester_HunkLeicester_Hunk Posts: 18,316
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    Cantona07 wrote: »
    Terry shouldnt be picked because he causes more problems than he solves but the idea that the likes of Lampard, Gerrard, Ferdinand etc should be discarded by Hodgson to please people obsessed witht the idea of a "new start" will only hamper him in his job. Terrible idea.

    ^^^ Spot on ^^^
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