Hodgson's taken over too late to make any real changes for the Euros. Afterwards I can see him doing so, in favour of younger players.
Have to laugh at the thought of Terry, Cole et al doing Roy's defensive drills. I really wish him well - it's going to be tough dealing with The Egos.
It's not that interesting... I'm picking people on form... not on what they did 6 months ago... I thought that's what you wanted Hodgson to do? Make your mind up :rolleyes:
I never said anything about what I wanted Hodgson to do so I don't have to make my mind up. (I could have put roll eyes after that but it adds so little:)).
If you can't take into account how people did 6 months ago then you will end up with a very limited team and if you can only include players who have played against the likes of Barca in the last month then even more so. I see no great loss of form from Lescott and Jagielka recently to suggest they can't do now what they did then.
I think it's dangerous to pick John Terry, purely because he splits the dressing room. No matter how well he's playing. Roy Hodgson cannot manage big personalities/players.
And because he wasn't successful with Liverpool, that automatically means he won't be with England?
Nope I'm not saying that. I just don't think he does well with big players. He's always done best at small clubs/small nations. He may well do well with England, if he does great. He was appointed LFC manager at the wrong time and also he was the wrong choice. If he had have stayed at LFC I really don't think we would even be in the top half of the table. I'm sure people will say I'll never know that. Fine, that's just the way it was heading.
Why are they failures? Because they haven't won a World Cup? Is that the measuring stick of failure now?
Because they would rather go out & sleep with kiss & tell girls, other peoples wives or prossies then actually bother to play football & try & win something!!!
Because they would rather go out & sleep with kiss & tell girls, other peoples wives or prossies then actually bother to play football & try & win something!!!
Overpaid & underachieved!!!
John Terry
Honours Chelsea
2004–05, 2005–06, 2009–10
FA Cup (4): 2000, 2007, 2009, 2010
League Cup (2): 2005, 2007
FA Community Shield (2): 2005, 2009
World Football Challenge (1): 2009
Barclays Asia Trophy (2): 2003, 2011
Individual
PFA Player of the Year: 2004–05
FIFA World Cup Team of the Tournament: 2006
FIFPro World XI: 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009
UEFA Club Football Awards Best Defender: 2005, 2008, 2009[92]
UEFA Team of the Year: 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009
Chelsea Player of the Year: 2001, 2006
Frank Lampard
Honours
West Ham United
UEFA Intertoto Cup (1): 1999
Chelsea
Premier League (3): 2004–05, 2005–06, 2009–10
FA Cup (3): 2007, 2009, 2010
League Cup (2): 2005, 2007
FA Community Shield (2): 2005, 2009
World Football Challenge (1): 2009
Barclays Asia Trophy (2): 2003, 2011
FA Summer Tournament (1): 2004
Individual2005 FIFA World Player of the Year - Silver Award
2005 Ballon d'Or - Silver Award
FWA Footballer of the Year - 2005
UEFA Club Midfielder of the Year - 2008
World XI - 2005
PFA Fans' Player of the Year - 2005
Premier League : Player of the Decade, (2000–2009) according to official statistics[12]
Premier League : Best player (2) - 2004–05, 2005–06
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards : Premier League 500 Club
England Player of the Year - 2004, 2005
UEFA Euro 2004 Team of the Tournament
2006 FIFA World Cup : Man of the match vs Paraguay
Premier League Player of the Month - September 2003, April 2005, October 2005, October 2008
Premier League Player of the Season - 2004-05, 2005–06
Chelsea Player of the Year - 2004, 2005, 2009
PFA Premier League Team of the Year - 2004, 2005, 2006
Premier League : 2004–05 Barclays Merit Award (for 164 consecutive appearances)
ESM Team of the Year - 2004/2005, 2005/2006, 2009/2010
FWA Tribute Award - 2010
Premier League : leader in assists - 2004–05 : 16 assists, 2009–10 : 17 assists
FA Cup: Best player - 2006–07, 2008–09, 2009–10
FA Cup Final Man of the Match: 2007
Carling Cup : Best player - 2004–05, 2006–07
Premier League : Midfielder with the most goals in premier league history - 150 goals
Chelsea F.C. : Top goalscorer - 2004–05, 2005–06, 2007–08
Goal of the Month - April 2010
2011 Barclays Asia Trophy - player of tournament
2003 FA Premier League Asia Cup - player of tournament
only player to score at least 10 goals in nine consecutive seasons in the Premier League.
Steven Gerrard
Honours
Liverpool
FA Cup (2): 2000–01, 2005–06
League Cup (3): 2000–01, 2002–03, 2011–12
FA Community Shield (2): 2001, 2006
UEFA Champions League (1): 2004–05
UEFA Cup (1): 2000–01
UEFA Super Cup (2): 2001, 2005
Individual
FWA Footballer of the Year: 2009
PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2006
PFA Young Player of the Year: 2001
PFA Fans' Player of the Year: 2001, 2009
PFA Team of the Year: 2001, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009
FA Premier League Player of the Month: March 2001, March 2003, December 2004, April 2006, March 2009
Liverpool Top Goalscorer: 2004–05, 2005–06, 2008–09
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2005
UEFA Champions League Final Man of the Match: 2005
UEFA Team of the Year: 2005, 2006, 2007
FIFA/FIFPro World XI: 2007, 2008, 2009[105]
FA Cup Final Man of the Match: 2006
Goal of the Season: 2006
England Player of the Year: 2007
Member of the Order of the British Empire (MBE): 2007
Honorary Fellowship from Liverpool John Moores University: 2008
BBC Sports Personality of the Year Award 3rd Place: 2005
Rio Ferdinand
Honours
Club
Manchester United
Premier League (5): 2002–03, 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11
Football League Cup (2): 2005–06, 2008–09
FA Community Shield (4): 2003, 2007, 2008, 2011
UEFA Champions League (1): 2007–08
FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2008
Individual
Hammer of the Year (1): 1997–98
PFA Premier League Team of the Year (5): 2001–02 (Leeds), 2004–05, 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09 (Manchester United)
Premier League Player of the Month (1): October 2001
FIFPro World XI (1): 2007–08
London Youth Games Hall of Fame: 2009 inductee[46]
Do you maybe want to re-think your post?
The "Old Guard" are some of the most decorated players in British football. The idea that they dont try or dont care is ridiculous. They are still playing at the top level for their club in arguably more demanding environments. Maybe need to look a wee bit deeper as to why England arent a huge success and never have been rather than blame on the last small crop of guys who were actually any good.
Thre is too much hatred for individual clubs when it comes to choosing players for England.
I understand, up to a point, why people wouldn't want JT, even though I still think he has plenty to give for England, I understand about the possible problems with him and Rio, if the Manager can't sort that out, then something has to give. But with regards to Lamps and Ash, they have been excellent for us. We need a balance of experience and youth with England, as in all teams.
The old gaurd have to go to the tournament because they are the ones who are the 'poster boys' who generate so much revenue for the FA, cant be picking nobodies as they dont generate money & that is the FA's core remit along with the FA premier league & football league. All they care about are image, endorsements & sponsorship / TV rights & hence thats why the national side will never gar anywhere , becuase the most intrinsic part of the operation is left to plod along going through the motions.
Take the talented youngsters , give them a go, how much worse could they do, seriously you cant see the 'old guard' beating Spain, Germany , Italy when it matters , so take our U21 side & give them a go, be hell of a sight more entertaining than watching the various lothario's , adulterers & showboaters on fat deals huffing & puffing about bemoaning their luck that we usualy send, mind they are good for the comedy value as the Germans , Spaniards run rings round them.
They should go but I think for some, like Ferdinand who is 33, and Gerrard who is broken, should really be there more as an example to the younger players. I'm not saying they shouldn't play but neither man will be around for the next World Cup in 2014. Rio's back problems and age ensure that and Gerrard, if he is still playing, will at this rate manage just two games a season. It's important therefore that the young players get experience ahead of Brazil.
Terry I wouldn't take at all. For obvious reasons. I also think he's a bit of a dressing room politicker. Following that press conference he gave in South Africa, for the life if me I don't see why Capello didn't toss him out of the squad. If the man was able to speak/understand English properly, he probably would have.
Take the talented youngsters , give them a go, how much worse could they do, seriously you cant see the 'old guard' beating Spain, Germany , Italy when it matters , so take our U21 side & give them a go, be hell of a sight more entertaining than watching the various lothario's , adulterers & showboaters on fat deals huffing & puffing about bemoaning their luck that we usualy send, mind they are good for the comedy value as the Germans , Spaniards run rings round them.
really? Did you watch the U21s play last year... woeful.
Sheepdog's post is basically 'I don't like these people, logic be damned'
I remember we had people calling for Championship players to represent England because they'd try really hard, and it was peppered with nonsense like prima donna that people use without thought.
Sheepdog's post is basically 'I don't like these people, logic be damned'
I remember we had people calling for Championship players to represent England because they'd try really hard, and it was peppered with nonsense like prima donna that people use without thought.
Yeah i remember that stuff. The reasoning behind that has far more to do with Englands perceived lack of success than any highly successful collection of older players pulling on the shirt when they are over 30.
As I've said so often, in other countries you are accommodated in the team when you get to a certain age in an attempt to preserve and prolong. In England the hunt is on for the replacement before the original has got to their prime.
Apart from Cole & Gerrard, I'd be quite happy for Hodgson to drop the rest of the so-called 'Golden Generation' (I still want to know who coined that one?), but I don't think he will.
Terry shouldnt be picked because he causes more problems than he solves but the idea that the likes of Lampard, Gerrard, Ferdinand etc should be discarded by Hodgson to please people obsessed witht the idea of a "new start" will only hamper him in his job. Terrible idea.
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Lampard could do a job as s sub maybe and one of the few mature players in the squad.
Terry..well he'll probably demand to be picked.
Have to laugh at the thought of Terry, Cole et al doing Roy's defensive drills. I really wish him well - it's going to be tough dealing with The Egos.
I never said anything about what I wanted Hodgson to do so I don't have to make my mind up. (I could have put roll eyes after that but it adds so little:)).
If you can't take into account how people did 6 months ago then you will end up with a very limited team and if you can only include players who have played against the likes of Barca in the last month then even more so. I see no great loss of form from Lescott and Jagielka recently to suggest they can't do now what they did then.
Why, because he failed at Liverpool?
I prefer the terms 'hobbled' and not given time to succeed rather than "failed":D
Precisely! Well done you for getting that!
Quarter finals at best.
The young ones do not look any better than the old guard.
They are all crap at playing with pace and keeping the ball, so he can take who he likes.
He would do well to try and take Scholes though.
And because he wasn't successful with Liverpool, that automatically means he won't be with England?
People who use that stint to try to justify their point are very silly.
Nope I'm not saying that. I just don't think he does well with big players. He's always done best at small clubs/small nations. He may well do well with England, if he does great. He was appointed LFC manager at the wrong time and also he was the wrong choice. If he had have stayed at LFC I really don't think we would even be in the top half of the table. I'm sure people will say I'll never know that. Fine, that's just the way it was heading.
I think Murphy might just miss out.
Because they would rather go out & sleep with kiss & tell girls, other peoples wives or prossies then actually bother to play football & try & win something!!!
Overpaid & underachieved!!!
John Terry
Honours Chelsea
2004–05, 2005–06, 2009–10
FA Cup (4): 2000, 2007, 2009, 2010
League Cup (2): 2005, 2007
FA Community Shield (2): 2005, 2009
World Football Challenge (1): 2009
Barclays Asia Trophy (2): 2003, 2011
Individual
PFA Player of the Year: 2004–05
FIFA World Cup Team of the Tournament: 2006
FIFPro World XI: 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009
UEFA Club Football Awards Best Defender: 2005, 2008, 2009[92]
UEFA Team of the Year: 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009
Chelsea Player of the Year: 2001, 2006
Frank Lampard
Honours
West Ham United
UEFA Intertoto Cup (1): 1999
Chelsea
Premier League (3): 2004–05, 2005–06, 2009–10
FA Cup (3): 2007, 2009, 2010
League Cup (2): 2005, 2007
FA Community Shield (2): 2005, 2009
World Football Challenge (1): 2009
Barclays Asia Trophy (2): 2003, 2011
FA Summer Tournament (1): 2004
Individual2005 FIFA World Player of the Year - Silver Award
2005 Ballon d'Or - Silver Award
FWA Footballer of the Year - 2005
UEFA Club Midfielder of the Year - 2008
World XI - 2005
PFA Fans' Player of the Year - 2005
Premier League : Player of the Decade, (2000–2009) according to official statistics[12]
Premier League : Best player (2) - 2004–05, 2005–06
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards : Premier League 500 Club
England Player of the Year - 2004, 2005
UEFA Euro 2004 Team of the Tournament
2006 FIFA World Cup : Man of the match vs Paraguay
Premier League Player of the Month - September 2003, April 2005, October 2005, October 2008
Premier League Player of the Season - 2004-05, 2005–06
Chelsea Player of the Year - 2004, 2005, 2009
PFA Premier League Team of the Year - 2004, 2005, 2006
Premier League : 2004–05 Barclays Merit Award (for 164 consecutive appearances)
ESM Team of the Year - 2004/2005, 2005/2006, 2009/2010
FWA Tribute Award - 2010
Premier League : leader in assists - 2004–05 : 16 assists, 2009–10 : 17 assists
FA Cup: Best player - 2006–07, 2008–09, 2009–10
FA Cup Final Man of the Match: 2007
Carling Cup : Best player - 2004–05, 2006–07
Premier League : Midfielder with the most goals in premier league history - 150 goals
Chelsea F.C. : Top goalscorer - 2004–05, 2005–06, 2007–08
Goal of the Month - April 2010
2011 Barclays Asia Trophy - player of tournament
2003 FA Premier League Asia Cup - player of tournament
only player to score at least 10 goals in nine consecutive seasons in the Premier League.
Steven Gerrard
Honours
Liverpool
FA Cup (2): 2000–01, 2005–06
League Cup (3): 2000–01, 2002–03, 2011–12
FA Community Shield (2): 2001, 2006
UEFA Champions League (1): 2004–05
UEFA Cup (1): 2000–01
UEFA Super Cup (2): 2001, 2005
Individual
FWA Footballer of the Year: 2009
PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2006
PFA Young Player of the Year: 2001
PFA Fans' Player of the Year: 2001, 2009
PFA Team of the Year: 2001, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009
FA Premier League Player of the Month: March 2001, March 2003, December 2004, April 2006, March 2009
Liverpool Top Goalscorer: 2004–05, 2005–06, 2008–09
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2005
UEFA Champions League Final Man of the Match: 2005
UEFA Team of the Year: 2005, 2006, 2007
FIFA/FIFPro World XI: 2007, 2008, 2009[105]
FA Cup Final Man of the Match: 2006
Goal of the Season: 2006
England Player of the Year: 2007
Member of the Order of the British Empire (MBE): 2007
Honorary Fellowship from Liverpool John Moores University: 2008
BBC Sports Personality of the Year Award 3rd Place: 2005
Rio Ferdinand
Honours
Club
Manchester United
Premier League (5): 2002–03, 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11
Football League Cup (2): 2005–06, 2008–09
FA Community Shield (4): 2003, 2007, 2008, 2011
UEFA Champions League (1): 2007–08
FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2008
Individual
Hammer of the Year (1): 1997–98
PFA Premier League Team of the Year (5): 2001–02 (Leeds), 2004–05, 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09 (Manchester United)
Premier League Player of the Month (1): October 2001
FIFPro World XI (1): 2007–08
London Youth Games Hall of Fame: 2009 inductee[46]
Do you maybe want to re-think your post?
The "Old Guard" are some of the most decorated players in British football. The idea that they dont try or dont care is ridiculous. They are still playing at the top level for their club in arguably more demanding environments. Maybe need to look a wee bit deeper as to why England arent a huge success and never have been rather than blame on the last small crop of guys who were actually any good.
Where have you discovered this rare goldmine of information?
I understand, up to a point, why people wouldn't want JT, even though I still think he has plenty to give for England, I understand about the possible problems with him and Rio, if the Manager can't sort that out, then something has to give. But with regards to Lamps and Ash, they have been excellent for us. We need a balance of experience and youth with England, as in all teams.
Take the talented youngsters , give them a go, how much worse could they do, seriously you cant see the 'old guard' beating Spain, Germany , Italy when it matters , so take our U21 side & give them a go, be hell of a sight more entertaining than watching the various lothario's , adulterers & showboaters on fat deals huffing & puffing about bemoaning their luck that we usualy send, mind they are good for the comedy value as the Germans , Spaniards run rings round them.
Terry I wouldn't take at all. For obvious reasons. I also think he's a bit of a dressing room politicker. Following that press conference he gave in South Africa, for the life if me I don't see why Capello didn't toss him out of the squad. If the man was able to speak/understand English properly, he probably would have.
really? Did you watch the U21s play last year... woeful.
Stuart Pearce for England, then?
I remember we had people calling for Championship players to represent England because they'd try really hard, and it was peppered with nonsense like prima donna that people use without thought.
Might make it less cosy for the England boys.
Yeah i remember that stuff. The reasoning behind that has far more to do with Englands perceived lack of success than any highly successful collection of older players pulling on the shirt when they are over 30.
As I've said so often, in other countries you are accommodated in the team when you get to a certain age in an attempt to preserve and prolong. In England the hunt is on for the replacement before the original has got to their prime.
^^^ Spot on ^^^