I work in TV and generally if it's just you with a camera you're allowed to film in a public place / out on the road. Where you have to start asking permission is if you are going to have a larger team (normally more than 3) or if you use things like tripods on pavements as you can be accused of blocking a public walkway.
Each place is different though and we've had large crews (with permission granted) and not ever been stopped by anyone but also just two man crews and have had police ask what they are doing.
If you've ever seen any of the roadwarspolicecameraactionpoliceinterceptors-type shows, where someone getting arrested shouts "Get that "£$^^$ camera off me!", what's the first thing the copper says?
It'd take a massive police force to stop people from using thei camera phones in any town or city centre. You go into any city or town centre on any given day of the week and I can guarantee that there'll be people using their camera phones to get video footage or photographs.
Would love to know how PC Royal Protection was dealt with! I suspect he was simply 'given advice'
I mean FFS, what off duty police officer spends his rest days playing rentacop and wearing a tee shirt that basically says 'I'm a copper' on it! Only wannabes who want people to believe they're a copper do that.
What a dick that thug is!
He wont have been dealt with any way as he was not a protection officer or a policeman, firstly MET officers from the Specialist Operations Directorate and Central Operations have merged, they do not wear t-shirts showing they are Royal Protection, and if this man had half a brain he would know that whilst some commands are CO some are also SCO and some are SO, and Royal Protection are SO14 not CO14
I recall when they were filming World War Z in Glasgow the crew actually came up to the huge crowd and made it clear it was fine to film and take photos as long as there was no flash. Got tons of photos of the filming and you were able to walk around the set in the evening.
Yeah, he's a lying git. This will hopefully make him think twice before thinking he's big with someone else. Charlie knows the laws though and you could see the lying git getting edgy once he began to realise that he couldn't just scare him off with lies.
The trouble is that whilst he pushes the boundaries, he is often purposely provocative in doing so. He'll very often wind people up off camera then start recording when they respond to his behaviour. The trouble with that is regardless of how reasonable the other persons response was, his video will only show one side so that person will always look bad. Though I have to admit in this case he handled himself very well and was pretty reasonable.
I would be more concerned about the behaviour of the genuine police officer, who appeared to be protecting the thug and even in league with him.
That sounds a bit like " oh we cant have a go at the man claiming to be a policeman as he isn't one so lets have a go at the real policeman instead so we can blame the police for something"
That sounds a bit like " oh we cant have a go at the man claiming to be a policeman as he isn't one so lets have a go at the real policeman instead so we can blame the police for something"
All I can see is two police officers approach and seperate the two parties and speak to them. I guess some people can take exception with the police in any situation. The only job where you can be hated equally for doing and for not doing your job.
All I can see is two police officers approach and seperate the two parties and speak to them. I guess some people can take exception with the police in any situation. The only job where you can be hated equally for doing and for not doing your job.
Well you saw something totally different to me.
I saw the female officer treat the fake officer with respect, while the male officer treated the camera with disrepect as though he was the trouble maker and not the fake officer.
The trouble is that whilst he pushes the boundaries, he is often purposely provocative in doing so. He'll very often wind people up off camera then start recording when they respond to his behaviour. The trouble with that is regardless of how reasonable the other persons response was, his video will only show one side so that person will always look bad. Though I have to admit in this case he handled himself very well and was pretty reasonable.
I agree. He should find something useful to do, but he gets the attention he craves by winding people up.
I think he handled himself well, because for once he thought he was going to get a thumping.
I saw the female officer treat the fake officer with respect, while the male officer treated the camera with disrepect as though he was the trouble maker and not the fake officer.
That's the trouble with filming everything you do. A young officer kept quiet, rather than get too involved, because he feared being the next Youtube subject.
Without finding out the full story, how was he to know who was in the wrong?
How did you work that one out? The 'thug' is currently under investigation for the offences he committed.
Do you think it would have been taken any further at all if it hadn't been brought tp people's attention via You Tube?
I hope that police officer is sent for some urgent re-training and that his right-wing, yob mate, the "Royal Protection Officer" is given the maximum penalty for impersonating a police officer.
That's the trouble with filming everything you do. A young officer kept quiet, rather than get too involved, because he feared being the next Youtube subject.
Without finding out the full story, how was he to know who was in the wrong?
Why should he not get involved?
There was 2 sides to the story and the person with the camera actually had evidence rather than just hearsay.
He could show the officer the assault the 'Little Hitler' committed rather than just tell the officer what happened.
Nope the officer was clearly being biased towards the cameraman.
Do you think it would have been taken any further at all if it hadn't been brought tp people's attention via You Tube?
I hope that police officer is sent for some urgent re-training and that his right-wing, yob mate, the "Royal Protection Officer" is given the maximum penalty for impersonating a police officer.
Yes both officers and the female cop did not do the right thing.
Why is it so difficult for police officers to act decently lately?
The way all 3 of them (especially the fake copper) acted was deplorably)
I recall when they were filming World War Z in Glasgow the crew actually came up to the huge crowd and made it clear it was fine to film and take photos as long as there was no flash. Got tons of photos of the filming and you were able to walk around the set in the evening.
They probably knew that World War Z was going to turn out to be a crap film, though. So it didn't matter if people filmed the scenes.
I saw the female officer treat the fake officer with respect, while the male officer treated the camera with disrepect as though he was the trouble maker and not the fake officer.
They seperated the two and found out what had happened. What is wrong with telling Veitch to calm down? He was animated so asking him to calm down is reasonable. You're talking as if the officer had seen the film before he approached! He hadn't, he had no idea who had done what. By the way, Veitch is a trouble maker, though in this incident he wasn't doing anything wrong.
That's the trouble with filming everything you do. A young officer kept quiet, rather than get too involved, because he feared being the next Youtube subject.
Without finding out the full story, how was he to know who was in the wrong?
Duh, there's a YouTube video! Why didn't the officer just watch that before he got there?
Is pretending to be a police officer an arrestable offence? Ie could one attempt a citizen's arrest?
Impersonating a Police Officer
Section 90 Police Act 1996 creates several offences relating to the impersonation of police officers or the possession of articles of police uniform, namely:
impersonating a police officer (including a special constable);
making a statement or doing any act calculated falsely to suggest membership of a police force;
wearing a police uniform calculated to deceive;
possessing an article of police uniform.
The circumstances of the case may disclose more than one of these offences. It will seldom be necessary to charge more than one offence. You should select the most appropriate.
You should consider the motive of the defendant. Where the impersonation involves a threat to the safety of any person, or to property, or is done with a view to financial gain, then a prosecution should follow.
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Each place is different though and we've had large crews (with permission granted) and not ever been stopped by anyone but also just two man crews and have had police ask what they are doing.
https://www.youtube.com/user/NewsNowSanDiego/videos
Think its his job to film police and they tell him to stop and then starts a row LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZigPzoZI58
"He's allowed to film in a public place".
He wont have been dealt with any way as he was not a protection officer or a policeman, firstly MET officers from the Specialist Operations Directorate and Central Operations have merged, they do not wear t-shirts showing they are Royal Protection, and if this man had half a brain he would know that whilst some commands are CO some are also SCO and some are SO, and Royal Protection are SO14 not CO14
Charlie Veitch actually gets the law wrong very, very often. Here's an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTTZbEoKpxo
The trouble is that whilst he pushes the boundaries, he is often purposely provocative in doing so. He'll very often wind people up off camera then start recording when they respond to his behaviour. The trouble with that is regardless of how reasonable the other persons response was, his video will only show one side so that person will always look bad. Though I have to admit in this case he handled himself very well and was pretty reasonable.
How did you work that one out? The 'thug' is currently under investigation for the offences he committed.
That sounds a bit like " oh we cant have a go at the man claiming to be a policeman as he isn't one so lets have a go at the real policeman instead so we can blame the police for something"
All I can see is two police officers approach and seperate the two parties and speak to them. I guess some people can take exception with the police in any situation. The only job where you can be hated equally for doing and for not doing your job.
He totally treated the camera man as the person in the wrong rather than the other person.
I saw the female officer treat the fake officer with respect, while the male officer treated the camera with disrepect as though he was the trouble maker and not the fake officer.
Totally agree, the male officer was totally in the wrong for treating the camera man the way he did.
Kept saying 'calm down' when he was insisting on being assaulted by the other guy.
I agree. He should find something useful to do, but he gets the attention he craves by winding people up.
I think he handled himself well, because for once he thought he was going to get a thumping.
That's the trouble with filming everything you do. A young officer kept quiet, rather than get too involved, because he feared being the next Youtube subject.
Without finding out the full story, how was he to know who was in the wrong?
I hope that police officer is sent for some urgent re-training and that his right-wing, yob mate, the "Royal Protection Officer" is given the maximum penalty for impersonating a police officer.
Why should he not get involved?
There was 2 sides to the story and the person with the camera actually had evidence rather than just hearsay.
He could show the officer the assault the 'Little Hitler' committed rather than just tell the officer what happened.
Nope the officer was clearly being biased towards the cameraman.
Yes both officers and the female cop did not do the right thing.
Why is it so difficult for police officers to act decently lately?
The way all 3 of them (especially the fake copper) acted was deplorably)
They probably knew that World War Z was going to turn out to be a crap film, though. So it didn't matter if people filmed the scenes.
They seperated the two and found out what had happened. What is wrong with telling Veitch to calm down? He was animated so asking him to calm down is reasonable. You're talking as if the officer had seen the film before he approached! He hadn't, he had no idea who had done what. By the way, Veitch is a trouble maker, though in this incident he wasn't doing anything wrong.
Duh, there's a YouTube video! Why didn't the officer just watch that before he got there?
Oh wait.
He could have shown the officer the film, but he didn't, he carried on filming, because that's all he's interested in.
I wouldn't stand in the street trying to take a complaint whilst he was spouting off, and filming it.
Impersonating a Police Officer
Section 90 Police Act 1996 creates several offences relating to the impersonation of police officers or the possession of articles of police uniform, namely:
impersonating a police officer (including a special constable);
making a statement or doing any act calculated falsely to suggest membership of a police force;
wearing a police uniform calculated to deceive;
possessing an article of police uniform.
The circumstances of the case may disclose more than one of these offences. It will seldom be necessary to charge more than one offence. You should select the most appropriate.
You should consider the motive of the defendant. Where the impersonation involves a threat to the safety of any person, or to property, or is done with a view to financial gain, then a prosecution should follow.