If Melania Trump did not take part in her husband's Political Circus, then refusing service for her would be unfair if simply based on being married to him.
But she does choose to participate in the Public Political Role. Therefore, Fair Game.
Maybe they didn't want to be associated with an x-porn star.
A front page Harper’s Bazaar, Bulgaria. Vogue etc. "supermodel" doing naked photo shoots is a porn star? Blimey that increases the world's porn star demographic somewhat!
If Melania Trump did not take part in her husband's Political Circus, then refusing service for her would be unfair if simply based on being married to him.
But she does choose to participate in the Public Political Role. Therefore, Fair Game.
I agree. Although I have to say she looked as if she was there under duress.
A front page Harper’s Bazaar, Bulgaria. Vogue etc. "supermodel" doing naked photo shoots is a porn star? Blimey that increases the world's porn star demographic somewhat!
A front page Harper’s Bazaar, Bulgaria. Vogue etc. "supermodel" doing naked photo shoots is a porn star? Blimey that increases the world's porn star demographic somewhat!
I'm not judging her for it, but that FM is possibly referring to the soft porn lesbian shoots she did for a French men's mag. Even though a huge amount of mud was thrown at Hilary's husband during the campaign, I think Hillary's campaign did the right thing not to do the same to Trump's wife. Doing the right thing doesn't get you elected though, it seems!
But there is a difference between not wanting to serve a particular individual based on who that person is specifically and refusing to serve a group in society based on a general shared characteristic such as sex, race, sexuality, religion etc.
These people apparently don't like Donald Trump, not because he's a man or straight or white but because they perceive him as a horrible person (not without reason) and they don't want to sell their products to him or anyone associated with him. That's perfectly acceptable. If I made a tape in which went public and in which i confessed that I have sexually assaulted women I probably would expect to be spurned also.
Some of the women from yesterdays march...maybe all of them who knows...couldn't believe how women could vote for Trump because of his views on women, and yet would vote for Hilary who is married to her own Donald in that regard.
Cause it discrimination to not give homosexual a service.
Her husband has vile policies and people are standing up for their principles.
Ok I will give the trump any of my business if I had one or anybody in the Conservative Party over here.
BTW people do not choose to be homosexual but they choose their political views or their religion.
But there is a difference between not wanting to serve a particular individual based on who that person is specifically and refusing to serve a group in society based on a general shared characteristic such as sex, race, sexuality, religion etc.
These people apparently don't like Donald Trump, not because he's a man or straight or white but because they perceive him as a horrible person (not without reason) and they don't want to sell their products to him or anyone associated with him. That's perfectly acceptable. If I made a tape in which went public and in which i confessed that I have sexually assaulted women I probably would expect to be spurned also.
Both of you, I understand why it's ok to dislike Trump. I dislike him myself. I'm not coming at this from my viewpoint. I'm saying that in the eyes of the supplier in each case they're refusing their services to a client because they dislike that potential client for whatever reason. Whether that reason is good or bad that's what they're doing. So imo these are two similar things.
Some of the women from yesterdays march...maybe all of them who knows...couldn't believe how women could vote for Trump because of his views on women, and yet would vote for Hilary who is married to her own Donald in that regard.
I thought it was disgraceful that nearly all the top well known dress designers decided not to design her a dress for the Presidential Inauguration and be associated with Trumps wife just because people would think they are Trump supporters. What has Melania Trump done to be treated like this
Well at least one designer, i think you might have heard of him called Ralph Lauren did not refuse and was happily to help and design a dress for his wife. We all know he was doing it for the money even though he does not needed. And i dont think he was bothered about celebrities not wearing his dresses anymore as he is well established
Both of you, I understand why it's ok to dislike Trump. I dislike him myself. I'm not coming at this from my viewpoint. I'm saying that in the eyes of the supplier in each case they're refusing their services to a client because they dislike that potential client for whatever reason. Whether that reason is good or bad that's what they're doing. So imo these are two similar things.
A self employed person takes the jobs they want to take, you can invite a plumber round to look at a job you would like him to do, but no law says he has to take on the job. Just the same as you dont have to accept him to do the job. Both parties have the right to turn down
I very much doubt that. She can barely string a coherent sentence together in English and she has been living in the States for how long? Knowing a few words is far from being fluent in a language.
She's Slovenian, born there, isn't she and old enough to have grown up under Soviet influence. Which means she speaks Russian. English, and German, very likely too. That's already three more foreign languages that a lot of native English speakers speak.
A front page Harper’s Bazaar, Bulgaria. Vogue etc. "supermodel" doing naked photo shoots is a porn star? Blimey that increases the world's porn star demographic somewhat!
I knew there was something fishy about Cindy Crawford
Is refusing to make a dress for someone because you don't like their politics any different to refusing to make a cake because of a slogan on it is deemed to be in favour of homosexuality that you have moral doubts about or even religious beliefs about?
Homosexuality is legal as is the political party Trump advocates. In both scenarios you can always go elsewhere.
I doubt it was anything to do with politics. More along the lines of being frightened of losing business. I don't think it's a caring profession.
I'm not judging her for it, but that FM is possibly referring to the soft porn lesbian shoots she did for a French men's mag. Even though a huge amount of mud was thrown at Hilary's husband during the campaign, I think Hillary's campaign did the right thing not to do the same to Trump's wife. Doing the right thing doesn't get you elected though, it seems!
I was also referring to those. Are they soft porn, or just two women posing as lesbians? They both do have great bodies More marks off for me, no doubt.
I can't stand to even look at Trump and yes he's probably brought this on himself.
I doubt if he gives a fig or has the ability to be anything other than flattered about his beautiful much younger trophy being on the receiving end of whet he will perceive as jealousy fueled mud slinging. Whatever she might feel is doubtless irrelevant.
Both of you, I understand why it's ok to dislike Trump. I dislike him myself. I'm not coming at this from my viewpoint. I'm saying that in the eyes of the supplier in each case they're refusing their services to a client because they dislike that potential client for whatever reason. Whether that reason is good or bad that's what they're doing. So imo these are two similar things.
Without protected characteristics involved they can't be similar.
I was also referring to those. Are they soft porn, or just two women posing as lesbians? They both do have great bodies More marks off for me, no doubt.
I can't stand to even look at Trump and yes he's probably brought this on himself.
I doubt if he gives a fig or has the ability to be anything other than flattered about his beautiful much younger trophy being on the receiving end of whet he will perceive as jealousy fueled mud slinging. Whatever she might feel is doubtless irrelevant.
Without protected characteristics involved they can't be similar.
Anne I'm relating it to how the supplier in both scenarios was thinking. I know from reading pages of posts your thoughts on the bakery case. I wouldn't put it past the president to give this scenario protected characteristics going forwards either. Presumably at that point you'd recognise the similarities.
Yes and that's not a gay wedding, it was a cake to support a gay marriage event because it's not legal to get married in NI if you are gay.
I don't get why this is such a big deal, designers are always turning people down, you read about it all the time. Usually they "fat" and not famous enough for that "fatness" not to be a problem.
I see no problem if they freely choose not to supply her if that's the case.
That said how much of it is is bullying and shaming within the industry like the number of republican actors in Hollywood that dare not come out as they will likely never work again? Thinking about it what is the difference between refusing make a Gay wedding cake because of your faith and refusing to make a dress because you disagree with the politics of the customers husband?
The difference has already been discussed above. Being married to Donald Trump and being gay are not the same.
Anne I'm relating it to how the supplier in both scenarios was thinking. I know from reading pages of posts your thoughts on the bakery case. I wouldn't put it past the president to give this scenario protected characteristics going forwards either. Presumably at that point you'd recognise the similarities.
You mean if the situation changed, then it would be similar? ;-)
Anne I'm relating it to how the supplier in both scenarios was thinking. I know from reading pages of posts your thoughts on the bakery case. I wouldn't put it past the president to give this scenario protected characteristics going forwards either. Presumably at that point you'd recognise the similarities.
If he could achieve that impossibility there might be an unworthy similarity to recognise.
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But she does choose to participate in the Public Political Role. Therefore, Fair Game.
A front page Harper’s Bazaar, Bulgaria. Vogue etc. "supermodel" doing naked photo shoots is a porn star? Blimey that increases the world's porn star demographic somewhat!
I agree. Although I have to say she looked as if she was there under duress.
Porn, Modelling or even Art. It's all very subjective. http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/donald-trump-melania-trump-knauss-first-lady-erections
I'm not judging her for it, but that FM is possibly referring to the soft porn lesbian shoots she did for a French men's mag. Even though a huge amount of mud was thrown at Hilary's husband during the campaign, I think Hillary's campaign did the right thing not to do the same to Trump's wife. Doing the right thing doesn't get you elected though, it seems!
Some of the women from yesterdays march...maybe all of them who knows...couldn't believe how women could vote for Trump because of his views on women, and yet would vote for Hilary who is married to her own Donald in that regard.
Both of you, I understand why it's ok to dislike Trump. I dislike him myself. I'm not coming at this from my viewpoint. I'm saying that in the eyes of the supplier in each case they're refusing their services to a client because they dislike that potential client for whatever reason. Whether that reason is good or bad that's what they're doing. So imo these are two similar things.
They had some lovely hats.
It wasn't wrong and I'm sure she coped.
A self employed person takes the jobs they want to take, you can invite a plumber round to look at a job you would like him to do, but no law says he has to take on the job. Just the same as you dont have to accept him to do the job. Both parties have the right to turn down
She's Slovenian, born there, isn't she and old enough to have grown up under Soviet influence. Which means she speaks Russian. English, and German, very likely too. That's already three more foreign languages that a lot of native English speakers speak.
Haha! Fantastic
I knew there was something fishy about Cindy Crawford
http://www.vanityfair.com/style/2017/01/kellyanne-conway-gucci-jacket-inauguration
I doubt it was anything to do with politics. More along the lines of being frightened of losing business. I don't think it's a caring profession.
I was also referring to those. Are they soft porn, or just two women posing as lesbians? They both do have great bodies
I can't stand to even look at Trump and yes he's probably brought this on himself.
I doubt if he gives a fig or has the ability to be anything other than flattered about his beautiful much younger trophy being on the receiving end of whet he will perceive as jealousy fueled mud slinging. Whatever she might feel is doubtless irrelevant.
Without protected characteristics involved they can't be similar.
Anne I'm relating it to how the supplier in both scenarios was thinking. I know from reading pages of posts your thoughts on the bakery case. I wouldn't put it past the president to give this scenario protected characteristics going forwards either. Presumably at that point you'd recognise the similarities.
It wasn't a gay wedding.
Is this the one
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/24/christian-bakers-lose-pro-gay-marriage-cake-discrimination-rulin/
Yes and that's not a gay wedding, it was a cake to support a gay marriage event because it's not legal to get married in NI if you are gay.
I don't get why this is such a big deal, designers are always turning people down, you read about it all the time. Usually they "fat" and not famous enough for that "fatness" not to be a problem.
The difference has already been discussed above. Being married to Donald Trump and being gay are not the same.
You mean if the situation changed, then it would be similar? ;-)
If he could achieve that impossibility there might be an unworthy similarity to recognise.