I beg to differ on this, having spent a lot of time on the East side of London, (from Stepney to Dagenham), and a lot longer on the South side, (Bermondsey, Peckham, New Cross, Brockley, the Elephant & Castle etc.), to my ears they all seem to say theatre as fee-etter.
You may well be right.Most South Londoners I have known, well not known that well tbh, because I couldn't understand or tolerate their speech for very long, were a lot more 'gangsta' in their speech.
The "F" for "Th" is certainly quite common in some parts of South London. For example one hears Thornton Heath (part of Croydon) pronounced as something like Fort'n Eef.
It is not something which spreads right across the southeast, though.
Forty fousand fevvers on a frush - for forty thousand feathers on a thrush I think that's from a show / song but can't remember. Years ago this sh sound instead of s was ironed out by elocution lessons. A couple of my mother in laws siblings couldn't stop speaking like that as kids, and they were sent somewhere to get them out of doing it - and this was in the 1940's !
Anyone else notice that some people pronounce words like 'student' and 'studio' as "shtudent" and "shtudio" etc? 'Assume' becomes "ashume", 'restaurant' turns in to "reshtaurant"....anybody have any idea why they do this?
I sometimes do the assume/ashume one but not the others.
I think in general the 'u' sound after a vowel can be difficult. Tuna often becomes choona and deuce (in tennis) often becomes juice.
Americans seem to get round this sort of thing by saying asoom, toona and doose (rhymes with goose).
It's an English thing. It's one of the reasons I like going there.
Awite guvna, can a send me cheeldren up the chimney for ya to clean the soot at. Tuppence please guvna? I've worked vewy 'ard I have. Wanna go 'home na and take my girl out, maybe get some potatas. Boy I sure would love some potatoes and some pudding. Ohhh that's the life fur me. Can I do anyfink else for ya? Awite you 'ave a blessed day then.
*lady walks past*
*sticks jaw to one side and bends down to take cap off*
It's an English thing. It's one of the reasons I like going there.
Awite guvna, can a send me cheeldren up the chimney for ya to clean the soot at. Tuppence please guvna? I've worked vewy 'ard I have. Wanna go 'home na and take my girl out, maybe get some potatas. Boy I sure would love some potatoes and some pudding. Ohhh that's the life fur me. Can I do anyfink else for ya? Awite you 'ave a blessed day then.
*lady walks past*
*sticks jaw to one side and bends down to take cap off*
So how do you decide which words to speak differently? For example do you say 'shtop'? If not, why not?
I don't say "shtop" because I find it easy to say "stop".
I do find "ashume" a fair bit easier to say than "asume". As I said, I think that I and many others do sometimes have a bit of a problem with that 'u' sound when it comes after certain vowel sounds and gave other examples which are heard often.
I say "asume" in more formal situations and become lazy, reverting more often to "ashume" in informal settings.
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What was Delboy's accent on OFAH? He used to pronounce "thing" and "fing".
I don't know anyone in Berkshire who says fings and fink.East Londoners and Essex's also say 'fanks'
Maybe they save energy by using an 'f' and not 2 letters' th', that must be it.
A bit like this..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5MtlR1I20M
Forty fousand fevvers on a frush - for forty thousand feathers on a thrush
I sometimes do the assume/ashume one but not the others.
I think in general the 'u' sound after a vowel can be difficult. Tuna often becomes choona and deuce (in tennis) often becomes juice.
Americans seem to get round this sort of thing by saying asoom, toona and doose (rhymes with goose).
Awite guvna, can a send me cheeldren up the chimney for ya to clean the soot at. Tuppence please guvna? I've worked vewy 'ard I have. Wanna go 'home na and take my girl out, maybe get some potatas. Boy I sure would love some potatoes and some pudding. Ohhh that's the life fur me. Can I do anyfink else for ya? Awite you 'ave a blessed day then.
*lady walks past*
*sticks jaw to one side and bends down to take cap off*
Evenin' ma'am.Can a 'ave a feel of ya bristols?
I have never been able to say 'Hull' properly it always sounds as if I inwardly drowning.
Seems we just can't do glottal stops.
Haver you ever thought about doing it the right way?
See, and hear, the links I posted on page 2.
I never hear anyone say "asoom" except for some american accents.
So what makes you think you are correct?
Because some people are saying letters in words that aren't there. It's like people starting to call this site Digitagoogle Spy.
Yes I have. That's why I only do it sometimes.
Thish is very true. hic.
So how do you decide which words to speak differently? For example do you say 'shtop'? If not, why not?
I don't say "shtop" because I find it easy to say "stop".
I do find "ashume" a fair bit easier to say than "asume". As I said, I think that I and many others do sometimes have a bit of a problem with that 'u' sound when it comes after certain vowel sounds and gave other examples which are heard often.
I say "asume" in more formal situations and become lazy, reverting more often to "ashume" in informal settings.
Shock horror. Next we will be NOT saying letters that ARE there...
Anyway, you are wrong.
"No I'm right."
Honestly we could go around in circles all day like this. You disagree with me - excellent, pleased for you.