No. What we have is the high profile example of Jihadi John....
...but what about all the other masked, covered-faced ISIS fighters in the mass killing of prisoners and Syrians soldiers' videos? How do YOU know that of the hundreds of UK "citizens" and those of other Western nations who have gone to the Middle East to join ISIS, NONE of them happen to be involved in all the massed killings that have been going on? The massacres of those who refuse to convert in every town ISIS takes over? The hundreds of POWs killed?
The "rubbish" position is that of all the UK-origin ISIS volunteers, none of them have taken part in killings except for Jihadi John. So nice of ISIS to ensure that the "British" volunteers among their ranks are left out of all the nasty stuff...
Well now you've qualified what you saying.
Previously you said Asians, now it's Isis fighters, you do your cause no good by taking an extreme and applying to randomly to a whole race.
Of the 24 individuals that have had their citizenship revoked—two had British
citizenship for less than one year; 13 had held citizenship between 1-10 years; nine
had held citizenship for more than 10 years.
The 24 individuals’ other nationalities were: Russian, Somalian, Yemeni, Australian,
Pakistani, Afghan, Albanian, Egyptian, Lebanese, Sudanese, Vietnamese, Iranian,
Iraqi and Nigerian. These individuals had either held British citizenship from birth or
acquired it by application."
Source - Deprivation of British citizenship and withdrawal of passport facilities (Gower, M) (2015)
Let them come back? Most of them are there to blow themselves up. British fodder for the leaders. If not then they're sure to die quickly in battle as watching a few videos online isn't going to give them much of a clue what to do when they're being droned.
Of the 24 individuals that have had their citizenship revoked—two had British
citizenship for less than one year; 13 had held citizenship between 1-10 years; nine
had held citizenship for more than 10 years.
The 24 individuals’ other nationalities were: Russian, Somalian, Yemeni, Australian,
Pakistani, Afghan, Albanian, Egyptian, Lebanese, Sudanese, Vietnamese, Iranian,
Iraqi and Nigerian. These individuals had either held British citizenship from birth or
acquired it by application."
Source - Deprivation of British citizenship and withdrawal of passport facilities (Gower, M) (2015)
All of them. What do you mean by 'full' citizenship?
I mean full legally obtained British Citizenship.
First link
Under a 1954 United Nations convention, countries are not allowed to render individuals stateless. Pham’s case also raises questions about his entitlement to citizenship within the EU. Southey said: “It’s clear that in treaties there’s a well established principle of EU citizenship [in addition to national citizenship].”
He then successfully appealed that decision at a Special Immigration Appeals Commission (Siac) hearing in 2012 when he argued he would therefore be stateless.
The home secretary challenged that ruling in the Court of Appeal. Although the government of Vietnam said it did not consider him a national, in 2013 the appeal judges agreed with the home secretary that he had Vietnamese nationality under that country’s law.
Last November Pham appealed that decision at the Supreme Court. His lawyers said he automatically lost his Vietnamese citizenship on gaining British citizenship.
In a three-minute hearing at the Supreme Court today, Lord Justice Carnwath said there was “no evidence of a decision by the Vietnamese government to treat Pham as a non-national”.
Pham was therefore “not stateless at the time of the [home secretary’s] decision,” he added.
Those that attempt to return should be arrested immediately and sent to a barren prison island in Scotland. There, they will be forced to live a typical Scottish existence - nothing to eat but gruel, incessant sound of bagpipes, wet and cold all year-round, nothing on TV but BBC Scotland.
As opposed to living in the South of England where a typical GP appointment waiting time is 4 weeks, where the most common kids name is Mohammed, where the English language is the second language in a LOT of classrooms and where the whole lifestyle is a rat race? Why would you want to reward them by sending them to Scotland?
As opposed to living in the South of England where a typical GP appointment waiting time is 4 weeks, where the most common kids name is Mohammed, where the English language is the second language in a LOT of classrooms and where the whole lifestyle is a rat race? Why would you want to reward them by sending them to Scotland?
"Of the 24, 20 were deprived on conducive grounds alone; two on both conducive and fraudulent grounds and two because of fraud, false representation or concealment of facts."
Also, I did read the article. The point is that our courts will decide whether or not depriving the person of citizenship will make them stateless.
"Of the 24, 20 were deprived on conducive grounds alone; two on both conducive and fraudulent grounds and two because of fraud, false representation or concealment of facts."
Also, I did read the article. The point is that our courts will decide whether or not depriving the person of citizenship will make them stateless.
Yes the point and one I was making is that no full legal British citizen can be made stateless, so I don't understand why you posted the links.
No times change, and I am many former participants in other conflicts have settled in the UK. Britain and the US even recruited former Nazi scientists. I dont see why members of Isis should be treated any harsher than Nazis once they have been defeated.
The only problem I have with not letting them back is when families go. If a family goes and then attempts to come back and they are not allowed, would that apply to all members of the family, no matter how young? It seems wrong sending, for example, a three year old or a seven year old back into a war zone when they wouldn't have had any say in the first place
There are a very small number of people where this is true. They continue to live in the UK, since we are not, even with Theresa May in government, so heartless as to take them out to sea and throw them out of helicopters like Argentinian fascists. Since they have no right to work or claim any benefits over their £25 a week food stamps, they have a pretty miserable time on the whole.
Comments
Can't be arsed? Surely it's better not to make claims which are impossible to verify, rather than cite laziness as an excuse.
It took me less than 10 secs.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/stranded-in-pakistan--after-theresa-may-revoked-his-passport-9195933.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2516754/Bomb-suspect-UK-passport-revoked-second-time-Home-Office-bid-stop-returning-Britain.html
Previously you said Asians, now it's Isis fighters, you do your cause no good by taking an extreme and applying to randomly to a whole race.
Thanks for the links.
As for beheaders then who knows but IS members do have the monopoly on that so why not.
First link
Second link
Until he did he could not be stripped of his British citizenship as that would render him stateless. She failed.
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2014/07/11/al-jedda-the-man-mentioned-11-times-by-home-office-as-it-tried-to-change-immigration-bill/
Any links to anyone who has been made stateless?
No problem, I've found the full figures.
"Since 2000, 24 individuals have had
their British citizenship revoked in the following years
2006 - 1
2007 - 1
2009 - 2
2010 - 5
2011 - 6
2012 - 6
2013 - 3
Of the 24 individuals that have had their citizenship revoked—two had British
citizenship for less than one year; 13 had held citizenship between 1-10 years; nine
had held citizenship for more than 10 years.
The 24 individuals’ other nationalities were: Russian, Somalian, Yemeni, Australian,
Pakistani, Afghan, Albanian, Egyptian, Lebanese, Sudanese, Vietnamese, Iranian,
Iraqi and Nigerian. These individuals had either held British citizenship from birth or
acquired it by application."
Source - Deprivation of British citizenship and withdrawal of passport facilities (Gower, M) (2015)
How many held full British citizenship?
They were British citizens who had their passports revoked, that's all you asked for but here you go:
http://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/nov/18/terror-suspect-stateless-extradition-court
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2015/03/25/supreme-court-backs-theresa-may-al-qaeda-inspire-minh-pham-strip-uk-citizenship/
All of them. What do you mean by 'full' citizenship?
I mean full legally obtained British Citizenship.
First link
The follow up, your second link.
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2015/03/25/supreme-court-backs-theresa-may-al-qaeda-inspire-minh-pham-strip-uk-citizenship/
As opposed to living in the South of England where a typical GP appointment waiting time is 4 weeks, where the most common kids name is Mohammed, where the English language is the second language in a LOT of classrooms and where the whole lifestyle is a rat race? Why would you want to reward them by sending them to Scotland?
Well said.
"Of the 24, 20 were deprived on conducive grounds alone; two on both conducive and fraudulent grounds and two because of fraud, false representation or concealment of facts."
Also, I did read the article. The point is that our courts will decide whether or not depriving the person of citizenship will make them stateless.
Yes the point and one I was making is that no full legal British citizen can be made stateless, so I don't understand why you posted the links.
This is your post to which I originally replied.
You did not even mention the word stateless, so how was I supposed to know that was your point?
There are a very small number of people where this is true. They continue to live in the UK, since we are not, even with Theresa May in government, so heartless as to take them out to sea and throw them out of helicopters like Argentinian fascists. Since they have no right to work or claim any benefits over their £25 a week food stamps, they have a pretty miserable time on the whole.
I think that regardless of public opinion this Govt and the opposition govt will allow them to return to GB
sadly government does not give a damn about public option