Folks, I'm from Belfast and being in my 50's and seen it all here......can I make a point this is the Big Brother forum. Maybe this should now be moved to the politics or general discussion forums?
Either way it makes feckin deprseeing reading
Does it? Sorry.
I think it's an interesting discussion (if you ignore the REALLY OBVIOUS TROLL).
But to be able to move on from it, both sides need to admit to wrong doing.
Your post only mentioned wrong doing from one side, I wanted to add balance.
I get what you're saying but I thought it would go without saying that many actions of the IRA have been disgusting.
Terrorism from the british establishment (hand in hand with their loyalist paramilitary puppets) and the IRA drove a wedge between people on this island when the vast majority just want to live their lives in peace. I have always maintained that the island of Ireland should be re-united and EVERYONE on the island should live with respect and tolerance to the various cultures that make up Irish society AND relations between the island and Britain should be strong and healthy as our histories have intertwined for as long back as you can imagine - for good and bad. But we're two small islands on the edge of europe and the years of disharmony and conflict should be a thing of the past and everyone should move on to live together in peace.
I get what you're saying but I thought it would go without saying that many actions of the IRA have been disgusting.
Terrorism from the british establishment (hand in hand with their loyalist paramilitary puppets) and the IRA drove a wedge between people on this island when the vast majority just want to live their lives in peace. I have always maintained that the island of Ireland should be re-united and EVERYONE on the island should live with respect and tolerance to the various cultures that make up Irish society AND relations between the island and Britain should be strong and healthy as our histories have intertwined for as long back as you can imagine - for good and bad. But we're two small islands on the edge of europe and the years of disharmony and conflict should be a thing of the past and everyone should move on to live together in peace.
incorrect. 'Derry' may have been the city's original name but it is no longer. As long as the city remains part of the UK it's name is Londonderry, no matter what Catholic/republicans wish it were called.
it is no business of the people of ROI what a place in Britain is named.
you lament the 'extemists' in this thread but your views also come across as pretty extreme. Hmmmm.....Are you a Sinn Fein supporter?
Many actions of the IRA were deplorable. Does that make British state sanctioned murder any less disgusting? Of course it doesn't.
A UVF supporter on a Big Brother forum - wow, for God and Rylan.
The Union is weakening. Only have to look at the latest polls regarding Scottish independence. Even if it doesn't occur it's a large percentage. Couple that with the north of Ireland and Sinn Feins increasing mandate and the also the fact that many in England and Wales would happily get shot of the 6 counties show that it is a withering ideology at best. Look at the flag protests in Belfast. Years ago all hell would have broke loose and tens of thousands would have continually been on the streets - despite an initial uproar it is now a small amount of flag waving lunatics who are akin to the monkeys in the zoo to the normal people in society. Everyone else watches on with a smirk and pity at their neanderthal actions.
The state of northern Ireland is not part of Britain. Never has been, never will be. You strive to be belong to an entity that doesn't even want you and you're not part of.
I shouldn't really warrant someone like you with a response considering your "UVF FTW" comment - an organisation that has killed and slaughtered thousands of innocent Catholics. Hopefully a moderator on this site recognises your support of a terrorist organisation and deals with it accordingly.
I would also go as far to say that this person is WUM who probably doesn’t even live in NI. I've been unfortunate enough to have previous with this rather sad individual and although I've met and seen many a bigot at least (some) try and hide it under a cloak of various so called religious liberties/causes that have done nothing but divide this community and cost many lives over the years. Thankfully we are moving forward (slowly) and people like this certain poster is a dying breed. TBH I never thought I would see a poster support a terrorist group on a BB forum now that is a first.
I get what you're saying but I thought it would go without saying that many actions of the IRA have been disgusting.
Terrorism from the british establishment (hand in hand with their loyalist paramilitary puppets) and the IRA drove a wedge between people on this island when the vast majority just want to live their lives in peace. I have always maintained that the island of Ireland should be re-united and EVERYONE on the island should live with respect and tolerance to the various cultures that make up Irish society AND relations between the island and Britain should be strong and healthy as our histories have intertwined for as long back as you can imagine - for good and bad. But we're two small islands on the edge of europe and the years of disharmony and conflict should be a thing of the past and everyone should move on to live together in peace.
My family never had any relations with the people down south in the first place.
My family never had any relations with the people down south in the first place.
Not sure what this wedge is.
"Relations" in the sense of the people that you share the island with. You know the same people that until relatively recently (historically) were united and a division wasn't carved up by the British to ensure a minority became a majority!!
I would also go as far to say that this person is WUM who probably doesn’t even live in NI. I've been unfortunate enough to have previous with this rather sad individual and although I've met and seen many a bigot at least (some) try and hide it under a cloak of various so called religious liberties/causes that have done nothing but divide this community and cost many lives over the years. Thankfully we are moving forward (slowly) and people like this certain poster is a dying breed. TBH I never thought I would see a poster support a terrorist group on a BB forum now that is a first.
I was showing my support for Hewanorra International Airport.
Aye, so people determine their nationality legally because the passport is cheaper?!? C'mon ffs!!
"Relations" in the sense of the people that you share the island with. You know the same people that until relatively recently (historically) were united and a division wasn't carved up by the British to ensure a minority became a majority!!
In terms of the Protestant community there was always a division. I don't think you are aware of that. There are certainly people who buy Irish passports because they are cheaper.. Ask anyone from NI.
You haven't really got a clue either. I went to a non denominational primary and secondary school - and I know all the ins/outs of each "community". Its not as blackand white as you think it is.
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Does it? Sorry.
I think it's an interesting discussion (if you ignore the REALLY OBVIOUS TROLL).
forcing millions of people in NI to live under a foreign government against their wishes.
lovely.
I get what you're saying but I thought it would go without saying that many actions of the IRA have been disgusting.
Terrorism from the british establishment (hand in hand with their loyalist paramilitary puppets) and the IRA drove a wedge between people on this island when the vast majority just want to live their lives in peace. I have always maintained that the island of Ireland should be re-united and EVERYONE on the island should live with respect and tolerance to the various cultures that make up Irish society AND relations between the island and Britain should be strong and healthy as our histories have intertwined for as long back as you can imagine - for good and bad. But we're two small islands on the edge of europe and the years of disharmony and conflict should be a thing of the past and everyone should move on to live together in peace.
It's like those millions of flag protestors in Belfast...........when the reality is there are about 5 of them
Well said. Agree 100%
meaning that Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom, no matter what Ted Bear or any other nationalist says.
Thanks for confirming my point
Protestants call it Derry too.
Stop making generalisations.
Scotland always has referendums..
I wear Ben Sherman, used to ride a Vespa when I was younger and I love The Who and The Small Faces.
Will I do?
Some people buy Irish passports because they are cheaper.
I would also go as far to say that this person is WUM who probably doesn’t even live in NI. I've been unfortunate enough to have previous with this rather sad individual and although I've met and seen many a bigot at least (some) try and hide it under a cloak of various so called religious liberties/causes that have done nothing but divide this community and cost many lives over the years. Thankfully we are moving forward (slowly) and people like this certain poster is a dying breed. TBH I never thought I would see a poster support a terrorist group on a BB forum now that is a first.
My family never had any relations with the people down south in the first place.
Not sure what this wedge is.
Scotland has had two referendums in the past in relation to devolution 1979 and 1997. This is a referendum for independence.
And? We are still British citizens.
Aye, so people determine their nationality legally because the passport is cheaper?!?
"Relations" in the sense of the people that you share the island with. You know the same people that until relatively recently (historically) were united and a division wasn't carved up by the British to ensure a minority became a majority!!
.....but northern Ireland is not part of Britain.
I was showing my support for Hewanorra International Airport.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hewanorra_International_Airport
you believe the airport is a terrorist organisation?
Loyalism probably is, as is republicanism, but Unionism and Nationalism most certainly are not.
Its FLEEG protestors not FLAG haven't you seen the LAD (Loyalist Against Democracy) page on Facebook? Get with the programme TED:D
anybody who holds a British passport is a British citizen
You can't have looked at it too hard because it says the "United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland".
http://www.britishsouthindians.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/British_passport.jpg
In terms of the Protestant community there was always a division. I don't think you are aware of that. There are certainly people who buy Irish passports because they are cheaper.. Ask anyone from NI.
You haven't really got a clue either. I went to a non denominational primary and secondary school - and I know all the ins/outs of each "community". Its not as blackand white as you think it is.
Nothern Ireland isnt and never was a part of Britain though. In fact, even Scotland isnt in Britain.
Britain is England and Wales, Great Britain is Britain and Scotland and the UK is GB + NI.