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    hanssolohanssolo Posts: 22,745
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    AKhanna1 wrote: »
    It does seem strange as would have thought the winner (if not sunrise radio) would need 6 months to get studios built etc.
    From BizAsia seems the uncertainty is getting the licencing committee together, if they decide to give the licence to another station other than Sunrise there may be a handover period to get studios sorted. Lyca seem to be renting studios until it gets it's own sorted.
    But from
    Since the licence was advertised, Sunrise Radio has desperately been tweaking its management and output but it remains to be seen if it will be enough to save the station
    Sunrise still want the licence.
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    dpbdpb Posts: 12,031
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    The Meeting Dates on Ofcom's website give the next dates of the Broadcasting Licensing Committee meetings as 3rd (and then 10th) of March:

    http://www.ofcom.org.uk/about/how-ofcom-is-run/committees/broadcast-licensing-committee/meeting-dates/

    The date after that is 14th April. Given Sunrise's licence runs out on 2nd July I would expect it would be decided at one of the March dates.
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    A.N.OtherA.N.Other Posts: 58
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    Inkblot wrote: »
    My recollection is that the signal here in west London was OK on 963 even though the transmitter was in east London. However once Glade Lane (Southall) was switched on, 972 became the dominant channel here... No problems with splatter here, so maybe the coverage areas are configured so as not to cause problems.
    More to do with both transmitters being synchronised so audio loud is simultaneous on both, with some GPS smarts involved (carriers in sync?) It would make sense if the upper sideband of 963 was clipped, and lower SB of 972 but I can't find any info on that.

    Adding 972 upped the strenght in the west. Boosting 963 would not push as much power, and both were under power limits to protect the primary users (NDR 972, YLE963) which have now vacated both channels.

    If you want to hear how it could have been done less well, try 1413. Audio on both outlets on that freq are out by ~1sec. 13332 fills in but it is strange how Premier have not done as good a job.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 46
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    Would the fact that Sabras and Sunrise are part of the D2 bids have any affect on who wins this?

    For instance Sabras application and service is mainly financed by a loan..so surely ofcom now have to also consider that should they win the D2 then they financials for the 963/972 would be affected? Would the same go for Sunrise?? Have these two shot themselves in the foot?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 46
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    Looks like Sabras may be out of the running.
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    dpbdpb Posts: 12,031
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    AKhanna1 wrote: »
    Looks like Sabras may be out of the running.

    What makes you say that?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 46
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    Scanned copy of a letter sent to ofcom last week, sent to most media this morning. Letter allegedly from Don Kotaks brother claiming don is involved in fraud. Allegedly

    I have seen the letter myself.

    The plot thickens..
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    Fred FlintstoneFred Flintstone Posts: 795
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    Sid Law wrote: »
    963/972 is enough of a title for any self respecting radio anorak to know what station is being discussed.

    Slightly off topic, a couple of questions that someone may be able to answer.

    When this licence first launched (was it called Liberty then?) it was only on one frequency/transmitter.

    From memory, the second frequency was added to give better coverage across London.

    Why didn't they just add more power to the original transmitter?

    Does having two transmitters on adjacent frequencies cause splatter, or is that not a problem as both transmitters are carrying the same programme?



    963 is was Caroline Overdrive for us of a certain age.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 46
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    So Sabras in hot water and just found this article published today about Litt Corp

    http://www.media247.co.uk/bizasia/petition-to-wind-up-litt-corporation-filed-in-court-2015
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    dpbdpb Posts: 12,031
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    AKhanna1 wrote: »
    So Sabras in hot water and just found this article published today about Litt Corp

    http://www.media247.co.uk/bizasia/petition-to-wind-up-litt-corporation-filed-in-court-2015

    I think the current Sunrise Radio is owned by an unconnected company (although might have some shareholders in common) so this won't affect the station.
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    Toxteth O'GradyToxteth O'Grady Posts: 8,511
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    Inkblot wrote: »
    It started as Viva 963, the female-oriented station launched by Lynne Franks (PR legend satirised as "Edina Monsoon" in Absolutely Fabulous).

    My recollection is that the signal here in west London was OK on 963 even though the transmitter was in east London. However once Glade Lane (Southall) was switched on, 972 became the dominant channel here.
    I remember at the time one of the reasons given for the extra transmitter was because the station was struggling and reception wasn't very good around where all the advertising agencies were.
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    hanssolohanssolo Posts: 22,745
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    Panjab (also bidding for D2) has been allowed to take over London Turkish radios AM frequency.
    But no news on Sunrise holding onto AM?
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    omnidirectionalomnidirectional Posts: 18,838
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    Panjab may still be interested in 963/972 as the frequency they've acquired from London Turkish only covers Northern areas of the city.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 46
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    Rumour has it decision will now be in April. Doesn't leave much time if someone else gets it
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    swb1964swb1964 Posts: 4,700
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    Disappointing about Sabras, as they have a track record of running successful Asian Radio in Leicester.
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    MediaGuruMediaGuru Posts: 189
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    Don't write Sabras off just yet..

    There's plenty more twists & turns due before the outcome in April.
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    dpbdpb Posts: 12,031
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    Panjab may still be interested in 963/972 as the frequency they've acquired from London Turkish only covers Northern areas of the city.

    They are bidding as Asian FX. I was surprised they didn't apply for 963/972 as Panjab although they already had bought 1584 by that point.
    swb1964 wrote: »
    Disappointing about Sabras, as they have a track record of running successful Asian Radio in Leicester.
    MediaGuru wrote: »
    Don't write Sabras off just yet..

    There's plenty more twists & turns due before the outcome in April.

    I wouldn't be surprised if the stuff about Sabras is someone mischief making - in a potentially libellous way.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 46
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    MediaGuru wrote: »
    Don't write Sabras off just yet..

    There's plenty more twists & turns due before the outcome in April.

    So it's def April?? Leaving it abit late are they not?

    And yes agreed, am sure plenty more twists with this will occur.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 46
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    Still no news on this licence? The date for sunrise radio licence is until 2nd July.

    Did there not used to be the award six months before a licence expired?
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    hanssolohanssolo Posts: 22,745
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    Sunrise are advertising for new presenters and staff now they have the national DAB win. So may not be too bothered on London AM?

    In a way would be good to go for Share radio who lost out on national DAB which will be something different for London?
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    AmaraAmara Posts: 5,383
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    They should give Caroline a high powered signal on 963!!!!!,😊
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    dpbdpb Posts: 12,031
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    Amara wrote: »
    They should give Caroline a high powered signal on 963!!!!!,😊

    Caroline didn't apply for it sadly.
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    hanssolohanssolo Posts: 22,745
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    dpb wrote: »
    Caroline didn't apply for it sadly.
    Caroline seem to be waiting for the low power, low cost AM community licences which have been delayed.
    http://licensing.ofcom.org.uk/radio-broadcast-licensing/community-radio/apply-for-licence/am-band
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    swb1964swb1964 Posts: 4,700
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    hanssolo wrote: »
    Caroline seem to be waiting for the low power, low cost AM community licences which have been delayed.
    http://licensing.ofcom.org.uk/radio-broadcast-licensing/community-radio/apply-for-licence/am-band

    They seem to have a maximum radius of 10km, or 6 miles in old money.

    By contrast 963 goes quite a long way, I have had it feintly on my car radio in a few spots near Derby, once you get out of the city.
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    AmaraAmara Posts: 5,383
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    hanssolo wrote: »
    Caroline seem to be waiting for the low power, low cost AM community licences which have been delayed.
    http://licensing.ofcom.org.uk/radio-broadcast-licensing/community-radio/apply-for-licence/am-band

    Unfortunately yes seems such a shame they have lost all there fighting spirit these days and are prepared to settle for flea power on AM.
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