Caroline was always overmarked. I will probably get abuse for saying this. I don't care what people say, Simon didn't win because he is not white. Louis Smith won because he is mixed race and represented the country in the Olympics. Alesha Dixon won because again she is mixed race. Have to be honest, Simon did get a lot of abuse on these forums.
Some people on here found it really difficult to say anything positive about him.
He laughed, smiled and it was seen as he was up himself. The poor guy could do not right.
I personally found it very hard to warm to Caroline.
I agree I wanted Simon to win but i think Caroline won because Natalie lost last year she was the best dancer she has the best average dance score ever. How can it be one rule for one and another rule for caroline. All though people said it was unfair for Natalie being on last year because she had dance experience. If Caroline was known to be a trained dancer earlier would she have been given all that criticism aswell or not.
If there's only one ringer, they tend to be more obvious. This year there were several in that class so it was less so.
Exactly why Caroline has the best average dance score ever compared to dancers of previous seasons is a question that might pointedly be asked of the judges.
I don't think Simon was robbed, he was in the bottom two three times, improved massively, became a lovely ballroom boy and ran a close race in the final, I hope.
He did bloody well.:)
I'd have liked him to win, but didn't really see it as possible.
I've never really liked Ginger Rogers, so just goes to show its not about dancing ability - its who you warm to and feel you cannot take your eyes off. I didn't like watching Simon either. And I am getting sick of this if you go to stage school you have dance training. For people that complain do you know how many years of blood, sweat and tears and dedication it takes to be a first class dancer, particularly ballet dancers. A few years at a stage school does not give you that kind of training - it just points you in the direction of it.
How about next year anyone that starts moaning we just don't answer.
I don't think Simon was robbed, he was in the bottom two three times, improved massively, became a lovely ballroom boy and ran a close race in the final, I hope.
He did bloody well.:)
I'd have liked him to win, but didn't really see it as possible.
I agree. I knew that he wouldn't win but he made the top 3, which is fantastic. Well done, Simon and Kristina. 😃
I respect your opinion, but if this is the criteria for choosing a winner what is the point in there being any female celebrities in the competition? And are the girls less profficient because they are being led? You are implying that every male celebrity, no matter their skill level, must ultimately be better than amy female celeb simply because they lead. Surely that can't be right?
In some ways it's actually easier for the male celebs towards the end of the competition because they can be seen to be leading. But this counteracts the advantage the female celebs have in the early stages when it's easier for their pros to lead them (whereas for the female pros it's too easy to come across as "dancing around the male celeb who does nothing".
What a ridiculous comment. There have already been black winners of Strictly. Did you not watch last year when Louis won? Or the year Alesha won? Or Mark Rampakash?
And yet you thought that the BNP actually make such chants?
I may not be the one who needs to seek help.
I just find it amusing that a claim is made that a black man could never win because the SCD audience is racist.
Louis Smith is pointed out, and Mark Ramprakash too, but then suddenly they arw declared not black enough. Because apparently racists always consider mixed-race individuals to be white.
Well I got what you was saying and completely agree with you
What a ridiculous comment. There have already been black winners of Strictly. Did you not watch last year when Louis won? Or the year Alesha won? Or Mark Rampakash?
The contestants you mentioned are not black. They are of mixed heritage. Mark Ramprakash is or Indian decent. It is not a ridiculous comment. Only to people who don't think racism exists. We know it does.>:(
Caroline was always overmarked. I will probably get abuse for saying this. I don't care what people say, Simon didn't win because he is not white. Louis Smith won because he is mixed race and represented the country in the Olympics. Alesha Dixon won because again she is mixed race. Have to be honest, Simon did get a lot of abuse on these forums.
Some people on here found it really difficult to say anything positive about him.
He laughed, smiled and it was seen as he was up himself. The poor guy could do not right.
I personally found it very hard to warm to Caroline.
What do you mean he's not white? How is this possible? First Caroline is white and now Simon isn't. Why did no one tell me any of this?
Try wearing an extra jumper or turning the central heating up. I find this always warms me up.
I don't think he was robbed, I only warmed up to him in the final didn't care for him most of the way through the series. I had placed all my votes by the time he did his AT otherwise they would have all gone to him and Kristina for the emotion coming off them and after that dance.
As it was I didn't care who won out of the final 3 but gave my votes to Caroline because I liked their show dance the, which is saying something as at the start of the series I was routing for Frankie but they waned for me somewhat, maybe if the bench thing wasn't in their show dance it would have been alright.
Maybe I should use a jumper to cover my eyes and pretend certain things don't happen in the real world.
Please don't tell me this isn't the real world. What are you trying to do to me? I'm still reeling from the shock that Simon isn't white. Do his parents know?
Simon could have done it if he had a more likeable personality.
Precisely. There were a few times he did things that probably didn't help his popularity with the public. For example, falling on the floor in such a silly way when he won the dance off, and his reaction when Claudia asked him such a simple question, 'Where do you come from?' I thought his reaction to that showed a certain amount of arrogance, as if he assumed everyone should know he came from Liverpool just because he was in a boy band.
The contestants you mentioned are not black. They are of mixed heritage. Mark Ramprakash is or Indian decent. It is not a ridiculous comment. Only to people who don't think racism exists. We know it does.>:(
Of course racism exists, no one is trying (I hope!) to say otherwise, or to negate the lived experiences of forum members,. That's why I don't think we should be shutting down discussion of the topic, it's an important issue to all of us, personally and politically, even though we may not realise it.
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My thoughts are: rascists don't like people of colour, no matter how light or dark their skin, or the country on their passport, or their accent. Think of the old 'send them back' argument (parodied elsewhere in the thread), it's not nearly sophisticated enough to differentiate, is it?
Hopefully, the fact that strictly has had a number of non-white winners (and finalists, and semi finalists) means that in this particular instance, people are more interested in dance ability, or personality, or previous achievements, than they are prejudiced against a persons heritage.
Louis' SCD success cannot be explained away purely by his Olympic achievement earlier that year, because it certainly didn't help Ms Pendleton
As an aside, the pro dancers are not nearly as diverse as the celeb competitors, is that reflected all over the Ballroom/Latin world? I'm not implying anything sinister mind!
Precisely. There were a few times he did things that probably didn't help his popularity with the public. For example, falling on the floor in such a silly way when he won the dance off, and his reaction when Claudia asked him such a simple question, 'Where do you come from?' I thought his reaction to that showed a certain amount of arrogance, as if he assumed everyone should know he came from Liverpool just because he was in a boy band.
He's from Manchester ;-)
I have to say that when Simon was on IAC a few years back, he came across as not having that much personality. He seems a nice guy and is very attractive but he doesn't really have a spark imo.
Caroline reminded me of Alesha Dixon in a lot of ways that her enthusiasm and sheer love of what she was doing every week was infectious and made people warm to her in a way they didn't take to some of the others
The contestants you mentioned are not black. They are of mixed heritage. Mark Ramprakash is or Indian decent. It is not a ridiculous comment. Only to people who don't think racism exists. We know it does.>:(
Strictly viewers vote for the best dancer or their favourite dancer. That is the simple fact. That is what they judge their vote on. Colour has absolutely nothing to do with it, and you are trying to cause trouble where there is none.
Michael Jackson was the most popular entertainer in the world in his lifetime and a most brilliant dancer, so that knocks your 'racist' theory on its head.
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The fact that he was in the bottom two shows how much he improved during the series. I would have liked him to win.
me too. His enthusiasm and love for dancing also impressed me.
Some people on here found it really difficult to say anything positive about him.
He laughed, smiled and it was seen as he was up himself. The poor guy could do not right.
I personally found it very hard to warm to Caroline.
If there's only one ringer, they tend to be more obvious. This year there were several in that class so it was less so.
Exactly why Caroline has the best average dance score ever compared to dancers of previous seasons is a question that might pointedly be asked of the judges.
He did bloody well.:)
I'd have liked him to win, but didn't really see it as possible.
Here here! It's all so tedious and repetitive >:(
I agree. I knew that he wouldn't win but he made the top 3, which is fantastic. Well done, Simon and Kristina. 😃
In some ways it's actually easier for the male celebs towards the end of the competition because they can be seen to be leading. But this counteracts the advantage the female celebs have in the early stages when it's easier for their pros to lead them (whereas for the female pros it's too easy to come across as "dancing around the male celeb who does nothing".
What a ridiculous comment. There have already been black winners of Strictly. Did you not watch last year when Louis won? Or the year Alesha won? Or Mark Rampakash?
Well I got what you was saying and completely agree with you
The contestants you mentioned are not black. They are of mixed heritage. Mark Ramprakash is or Indian decent. It is not a ridiculous comment. Only to people who don't think racism exists. We know it does.>:(
What do you mean he's not white? How is this possible? First Caroline is white and now Simon isn't. Why did no one tell me any of this?
Try wearing an extra jumper or turning the central heating up. I find this always warms me up.
Oh really! Do I care?
As it was I didn't care who won out of the final 3 but gave my votes to Caroline because I liked their show dance the, which is saying something as at the start of the series I was routing for Frankie but they waned for me somewhat, maybe if the bench thing wasn't in their show dance it would have been alright.
Please don't tell me this isn't the real world. What are you trying to do to me? I'm still reeling from the shock that Simon isn't white. Do his parents know?
Precisely. There were a few times he did things that probably didn't help his popularity with the public. For example, falling on the floor in such a silly way when he won the dance off, and his reaction when Claudia asked him such a simple question, 'Where do you come from?' I thought his reaction to that showed a certain amount of arrogance, as if he assumed everyone should know he came from Liverpool just because he was in a boy band.
Of course racism exists, no one is trying (I hope!) to say otherwise, or to negate the lived experiences of forum members,. That's why I don't think we should be shutting down discussion of the topic, it's an important issue to all of us, personally and politically, even though we may not realise it.
......................................;.....
My thoughts are: rascists don't like people of colour, no matter how light or dark their skin, or the country on their passport, or their accent. Think of the old 'send them back' argument (parodied elsewhere in the thread), it's not nearly sophisticated enough to differentiate, is it?
Hopefully, the fact that strictly has had a number of non-white winners (and finalists, and semi finalists) means that in this particular instance, people are more interested in dance ability, or personality, or previous achievements, than they are prejudiced against a persons heritage.
Louis' SCD success cannot be explained away purely by his Olympic achievement earlier that year, because it certainly didn't help Ms Pendleton
As an aside, the pro dancers are not nearly as diverse as the celeb competitors, is that reflected all over the Ballroom/Latin world? I'm not implying anything sinister mind!
Bit random. Still, as long as you know what you're on about.
Thought you didn't care?
Yeah, I know, you love me really even if I am a bit of a t**t
He's from Manchester ;-)
I have to say that when Simon was on IAC a few years back, he came across as not having that much personality. He seems a nice guy and is very attractive but he doesn't really have a spark imo.
Caroline reminded me of Alesha Dixon in a lot of ways that her enthusiasm and sheer love of what she was doing every week was infectious and made people warm to her in a way they didn't take to some of the others
Strictly viewers vote for the best dancer or their favourite dancer. That is the simple fact. That is what they judge their vote on. Colour has absolutely nothing to do with it, and you are trying to cause trouble where there is none.
Michael Jackson was the most popular entertainer in the world in his lifetime and a most brilliant dancer, so that knocks your 'racist' theory on its head.