I do think Salmond should go but not Sturgeon who I think is more moderate and far more sensible.
If I could say something to both of them it would be that the NO vote did not win, the YES vote lost. The YES vote lost because you tried to push through fundamental change on the strength of an antiquated Braveheart rhetoric and the Scottish electorate sent you packing.
Next time, if there is one, you need to actually have a plan. As it is, you have let down every single man and woman who wants independence for Scotland with the utterly pathetic planning and lack of campaign structure.
This is what I said yesterday in the big thread.
An actual plan, with an understandable roadmap to an independent scotland laid out so all voters knew precisely what they were voting for, and the possible pitfalls, would I think have won easily.
That it was just a PR and soundbite farce from both sides shows how poor the political class of this country really are. There isnt a competent party leader among them.
My personal message to them is that their lack of gracefulness when conceding shows just what bitter, unpleasant people they are. They have fought a campaign based on lies, intimidation and anti Englishness, which the majority of Scots saw for what it was, and the two of them should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.
Salmond worked all his political life for last night, won't ever get that chance again. Failed.
He may of failed last night but he was never expected to win, the SNP were never in a winning position ever here, he "may" have started the long run independence, I have no idea how Scotland will vote in future years, but the SNP still have a mandate being the largest party in Holyrood and as long as they are in that position they will rightly campaign for greater sovereignty for Scotland. Its up to Scotland to vote them out if they don't want them.
45% was a pretty damn good result given they only had 2 polls in the entire two years showing a YES vote for independence with 100s saying NO.
Alex Salmond presented the ugly face of nationalism in all it's ugliness. He played to the narrow minded , the anti Westminster anti English too much at the expense of presenting a vision and an all encompassing future that included everyone. He tried to divide and conquer, he gambled and failed.
It's almost unheard of for an Independence referendum to return a No vote. They messed it up even more than the Quebec Independence lot did, where there was only a 1% gap.
It's almost unheard of for an Independence referendum to return a No vote. They messed it up even more than the Quebec Independence lot did, where there was only a 1% gap.
I think you'll find that this was a pretty unique situation
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That is the way it normally works, if you campaign on a very big issue for the country and the country says no, you stand down.
Maybe the tealady at SNP headquarters is going to be where the buck stops in this case.:D
I think that depends on what devolution Scotland gets and whether the other countries get the same.
This is what I said yesterday in the big thread.
An actual plan, with an understandable roadmap to an independent scotland laid out so all voters knew precisely what they were voting for, and the possible pitfalls, would I think have won easily.
That it was just a PR and soundbite farce from both sides shows how poor the political class of this country really are. There isnt a competent party leader among them.
I went into a Scottish cake shops and asked "Is that a cake or a meringue ?"
The assistant said " Noo yer right, it's a cake"
Trouble was, all this talk of Salmond and Sturgeon sounded a bit fishy to me
Quite seriously, this is spot on
Alex Salmond and the SNP all wanted a referedum with a Devolution Max option. Cameron refused that option.
When it looked like Scotland was going to go independent, Cameron Miliband and Clegg all offered a heap of additional powers if people vote No.
Salmond and the SNP have won exactly what they wanted in the first place, and a 45% vote is a strong bargaining position for those powers.
If LibLabCon don't deliver, there will be an outcry in Scotland and independence will be back on the table with a much larger vote in favour.
The only way the SNP could have lost would have been a decisive vote for No in the region of 70-80%.
and even then, as you said, they would have still got all the extra powers
there was no loss really just less gain
According to WOS, Salmond and the SNP only wanted a YES/NO question.
http://wingsoverscotland.com/does-alex-salmond-need-a-translator/
Epic failure.
He may of failed last night but he was never expected to win, the SNP were never in a winning position ever here, he "may" have started the long run independence, I have no idea how Scotland will vote in future years, but the SNP still have a mandate being the largest party in Holyrood and as long as they are in that position they will rightly campaign for greater sovereignty for Scotland. Its up to Scotland to vote them out if they don't want them.
45% was a pretty damn good result given they only had 2 polls in the entire two years showing a YES vote for independence with 100s saying NO.
I think you'll find that this was a pretty unique situation
Ahahaha.