It's not like they need to protect children there because the children are only allowed in with a responsible adult anyway. This means lego land isn't 'in loco parentis' so doesn't have a duty to protect children from adults on behalf of parents. This is very narrow minded.
Well selling tickets for single adults that they know they will refuse entry is fraud to start with , secondly the policy is offensive in the very way they have implemented it and tried to deal with it , being offensive may not be illegal but hopefully, it will lose them business .
How can it be fraud when they still display their criteria for entry at the point of purchase?
As a teacher I often have to visit places to carry out a pre visit risk assessment and familiarise myself with the layout of the site in advance of a school visit. I take it I'll be refused entry!
As a teacher I often have to visit places to carry out a pre visit risk assessment and familiarise myself with the layout of the site in advance of a school visit. I take it I'll be refused entry!
Surely if you rang them first to explain that this is what you are doing they would accommodate / accompany you?
Okay, so absolutely no evidence whatsoever that would-be child molesters are taking their victims to Legoland in order to abuse them in a public place!
I don't have the figures to hand, but I would imagine that child-molesters tend NOT to take their victims to public places in order to abuse them. I would imagine they abuse the children in private, well away from any witnesses.
I think you're taking that poster's remark rather too literally.
I don't have kids, nor am I likely to, but I still enjoy a day out even to a place primarily aimed at kids. I love lego, and as someone else said there is a huge market aimed at adults with these expensive and complicated sets. I'd like to think I was allowed to go if I wanted to (even though hoards of kids is likely to put me off!)
It got me thinking, I've seen holidays in our local coach tour company brochure advertising trips to Legoland and other Merlin attractions... If I were to book one for us as a childless couple, at what point would we be turned away!? I've never seen any stipulation in the brochure that you have to be accompanied by a child, so I'd hate to travel all that way and find out I'd wasted my money and couldn't get in!
Some places are created with adults in mind so children won't be admitted and some places created with children in mind so I don't have much of a problem with Legoland's policy.
I do have a problem with them not making this completely clear during booking though. Letting people buy tickets they won't stand over isn't cricket.
The fact that the guy in the OP has a learning disability is neither here nor there - he was an unaccompanied adult. Thems the rules. They just need to make the rules clearer.
Some places are created with adults in mind so children won't be admitted and some places created with children in mind so I don't have much of a problem with Legoland's policy.
What? Are you really comparing something like a nightclub to Legoland?
It is. Like others you seem to be confusing the place this chap was denied entry to - Legoland Discovery Centre, Manchester with Legoland, Windsor.
From the Discovery Centre web page..
"Our indoor LEGOLAND Discovery Centre is ideal for children aged 3-10 years and all attractions inside the centre are included in the admission price."
From their website it says that adults won't be admitted unless they are accompanied by children. So, the headline of "Man with Learning Disability...................." is, of course, totally misleading and incorrect.
Their actual wording, taken directly from their website, is:
Adults must be accompanied by a child to enter
Their policy doesn't just apply to adults with learning disabilities, it applies to all adults who are not accompanied by children. Personally, I don't agree with this policy but I gather that, in this day and age, it's not uncommon in establishments which are predominantly aimed towards younger children. As a single person I consider the policy to be discrimination.
My problem with that, is that the policy is wrong to assume that adults wanting to go without children are a risk to accompanied children at the park. So I wont sign that, but would sign another one which challenges the entire policy about 'unaccompanied' adults.
What? Are you really comparing something like a nightclub to Legoland?
I didn't mention nightclubs.
As has been mentioned there are other places - not just nightclubs - aimed at adults or couples or families e.g. holiday resorts, caravan sites, specific events...
Unfortunate for those who might like to go but don't qualify but they are perfectly entitled to create their own admission policy, within reason if course.
Edit: yes, in a nutshell, as idlewild said, demographic.
I'm not convinced that what they are doing is legal, and for that reason I will be writing to my MP about it. At the very least, it will force a reply from legoland, to the MP, which he will then pass on to me.
Only if your MP chooses to write to Legoland, and I suspect that to do that he might require a specific illegality, not just a general "I'm not convinced its legal" (paraphrased).
Only if your MP chooses to write to Legoland, and I suspect that to do that he might require a specific illegality, not just a general "I'm not convinced its legal" (paraphrased).
I would imagine he will. Regardless of the legality or otherwise, the fact that it is causing irritation to customers and potential customers, will probably be sufficient to prompt him into making an enquiry as to precisely why they are doing it, and to expect a coherent explanation in writing.
Hopefully one that comes clean in them suspecting lone adult male visitors of being potential predatory paedophiles.
Funny thing is the adult only hotels have been brought up and he and other people with mental ages of children could go to places like that.
As many of you know both my brothers are mentally and physically disabled one has the mental age of a 7-8 year old the other 2-3 year old I could take them to places that but the thing the other guests want to get away from is what they would be doing especially the youngest he would be playing with hips toys by the pool or whatever he would be screaming an shouting like a 2-3 year old.
I'm not saying they should be banned form places like that and don't think they ever should be but it would be interesting to see what would happen with the other guests.
This is a pretty common policy. I know the Gullivers Theme Parks deny access to unaccompanied adults.
What they should do is have a meeting place at the gate where hassled parents can match their kids up with childless people who want to go in, so mum and dad can go and have a coffee somewhere and some peace and quiet instead. I'd be all for it. Here take mine.
That's a good idea. Singletons can hire a child and have full access to the park. I wonder if anyone would notice if we substituted dwarfs for children? Get yourself to the Dragons!
It is. Like others you seem to be confusing the place this chap was denied entry to - Legoland Discovery Centre, Manchester with Legoland, Windsor.
From the Discovery Centre web page..
"Our indoor LEGOLAND Discovery Centre is ideal for children aged 3-10 years and all attractions inside the centre are included in the admission price."
Ah fair enough.
It does state clearly on the booking page that adults have to have a child with them. When that was put in place I obviously don't know. In that case they shouldn't have allowed him to buy a pass. Maybe their ticket booking isn't defined enough and they need to split it up more. Then if someone was booking an adult ticket only the site would flag it up that they couldn't do so without booking a child one.
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How can it be fraud when they still display their criteria for entry at the point of purchase?
Surely if you rang them first to explain that this is what you are doing they would accommodate / accompany you?
I think you're taking that poster's remark rather too literally.
It got me thinking, I've seen holidays in our local coach tour company brochure advertising trips to Legoland and other Merlin attractions... If I were to book one for us as a childless couple, at what point would we be turned away!? I've never seen any stipulation in the brochure that you have to be accompanied by a child, so I'd hate to travel all that way and find out I'd wasted my money and couldn't get in!
It's not an indoor centre by any definition.
I do have a problem with them not making this completely clear during booking though. Letting people buy tickets they won't stand over isn't cricket.
The fact that the guy in the OP has a learning disability is neither here nor there - he was an unaccompanied adult. Thems the rules. They just need to make the rules clearer.
From the Discovery Centre web page..
"Our indoor LEGOLAND Discovery Centre is ideal for children aged 3-10 years and all attractions inside the centre are included in the admission price."
http://www.legolanddiscoverycentre.co.uk/manchester/our-attractions/attractions-overview.aspx
Why not? Both have a demographic in mind that they wish to target. And that's up to them.
Their actual wording, taken directly from their website, is:
Adults must be accompanied by a child to enter
Their policy doesn't just apply to adults with learning disabilities, it applies to all adults who are not accompanied by children. Personally, I don't agree with this policy but I gather that, in this day and age, it's not uncommon in establishments which are predominantly aimed towards younger children. As a single person I consider the policy to be discrimination.
My problem with that, is that the policy is wrong to assume that adults wanting to go without children are a risk to accompanied children at the park. So I wont sign that, but would sign another one which challenges the entire policy about 'unaccompanied' adults.
I didn't mention nightclubs.
As has been mentioned there are other places - not just nightclubs - aimed at adults or couples or families e.g. holiday resorts, caravan sites, specific events...
Unfortunate for those who might like to go but don't qualify but they are perfectly entitled to create their own admission policy, within reason if course.
Edit: yes, in a nutshell, as idlewild said, demographic.
Only if your MP chooses to write to Legoland, and I suspect that to do that he might require a specific illegality, not just a general "I'm not convinced its legal" (paraphrased).
It is obviously discrimination. The important question is, is it unlawful discrimination?
I would imagine he will. Regardless of the legality or otherwise, the fact that it is causing irritation to customers and potential customers, will probably be sufficient to prompt him into making an enquiry as to precisely why they are doing it, and to expect a coherent explanation in writing.
Hopefully one that comes clean in them suspecting lone adult male visitors of being potential predatory paedophiles.
As many of you know both my brothers are mentally and physically disabled one has the mental age of a 7-8 year old the other 2-3 year old I could take them to places that but the thing the other guests want to get away from is what they would be doing especially the youngest he would be playing with hips toys by the pool or whatever he would be screaming an shouting like a 2-3 year old.
I'm not saying they should be banned form places like that and don't think they ever should be but it would be interesting to see what would happen with the other guests.
That's a good idea. Singletons can hire a child and have full access to the park. I wonder if anyone would notice if we substituted dwarfs for children? Get yourself to the Dragons!
They still have to adhere to anti discriminatory laws. Otherwise where will it lead!
It does state clearly on the booking page that adults have to have a child with them. When that was put in place I obviously don't know. In that case they shouldn't have allowed him to buy a pass. Maybe their ticket booking isn't defined enough and they need to split it up more. Then if someone was booking an adult ticket only the site would flag it up that they couldn't do so without booking a child one.
Could the Grandparents tag along as long as there was one child?
Could a coach party go as long as there was one child in the group?
Do you not understand what the words "Something like" means?