I think it may also be that the new episodes of Family Guy are specifically advertised as new now, so more viewers have realised that these are new episodes and not just the same old repeats.
Back on at 22:00 next week but it is billed as new this time, Should put American Dad, In The Flesh and Orphan Black on BBC2 too.
It's funny you should highlight that as a positive because I was just sat here thinking that 22% all day share for ITV is the most underwhelming stat of the day (and given some of yesterday's viewing figures, that is saying something).
That's what I thought, but I suppose it's nice to see the return of all day share figures after a long absence. ;-)
Back on at 22:00 next week but it is billed as new this time, Should put American Dad, In The Flesh and Orphan Black on BBC2 too.
I do like Orphan Black, its a really smart show aired aimed at young people, if only it was proper BBC and not BBC Am, also its a real shame the 3rd series will air late night, BBC 3 obviously no longer have an interest in it.
if tonight's corrie averages below 7 million can we assume that the live ep is gonna flop?
It won't!
I would assume all 3 soaps will be around where they were last Monday seeing as the weather is not too great and it's really starting to get darker now.
I do like Orphan Black, its a really smart show aired aimed at young people, if only it was proper BBC and not BBC Am, also its a real shame the 3rd series will air late night, BBC 3 obviously no longer have an interest in it.
That or they trying to boost the iPlayer audience before BBC3 moves online in January.
I would assume all 3 soaps will be around where they were last Monday seeing as the weather is not too great and it's really starting to get darker now.
should corrie not be slighter higher though?, considering its a big week
Other ratings:
Doctor Foster - 7.58m (+1.53m)
An Inspector Calls - 6.82m (+0.98m)
The X Factor (Sat) - 8.80m/9.20m (+1.25m/+1.29m)
The X Factor (Sun) - 8.14m/8.54m (+1.17m/+1.20m)
Gogglebox - 4.74m/5.44m (+1.20m/+1.30m)
No HD rating for Doc Martin, will hopefully obtain it via Broadcast at the end of this week.
I have to say, I'm impressed with that rating for Doctor Foster. I know some will say it is just because it follows Bake Off, but as we know that didn't do Our Zoo much good.
Does anyone know if it was planned to be a 'single series and done' kinda of thing? Even if it was, if the ratings hold up, then I imagine the Beeb will be trying its hardest to squeeze out a 2nd series.
Assuming Doc Martin's HD share is in line with ITV's average for this week (of 18.5% the SD rating), then it should be around 7.4m. That would make it down around 2m from the last series in 2013.
Assuming Doc Martin's HD share is in line with ITV's average for this week (of 18.5% the SD rating), then it should be around 7.4m. That would make it down around 2m from the last series in 2013.
Thats actually quite a lot and much more than I thought. I wonder why when its in a cushy slot?
For the record, it's highest episode this year is 6.16m....so no longer enough feature in the BBC1/ITV Top 20 (although that would place it at #15 in a 'BBC1 only' chart).
Thats actually quite a lot and much more than I thought. I wonder why when its in a cushy slot?
I reckon it's the just suffering the natural decline that the majority of dramas go through as they get on in age, hastened by the 2 year gap between series. I know they've done the 2 year gap for a while, but now that the programme is no longer 'fresh', i think it is much more difficult to persuade people to return. As we've seen with other programmes, once people get used to living without it in their TV schedules, it can be challenging to get them back. Trying to create buzz for a 'cosy' 10 year old drama must be difficult.
But hey, this is only one rating - who knows what next week's consolidated will bring.
Those League Cup semi and final ratings on BBC One were impressive. Just the right time of year for big numbers, too.
Yes, and in many ways you can argue the League Cup was probably better value for the BBC because they had two matches in primetime in the middle of winter and the final on a usually cold day in February, whereas with the FA Cup, there are more matches but most of them are out of primetime, the final's on usually a hot day in May and you're also obliged to cover the earlier rounds which are of minimal interest as well. Obviously you get more content out of the FA Cup and it's far more prestigious but that League Cup contract was really good value for a terrestrial channel, just three really big games in prime slots.
When Sky originally got the live rights to the League Cup in 1996, the deal involved ITV showing both legs of one of the semi-finals live, which seemed very strange when they couldn't show the final. The fixtures would suggest they had first choice as well which seems even odder when you consider how biased the rest of the contract was towards Sky. But I don't think it does it any good for it all to be live on Sky and the terrestrial highlights being after 11pm (and now on Channel Five which clearly is going to be less prominent than BBC1). It makes the final look just like a bog standard Premier League match, and Sky have hardly given it many trimmings in recent years either, they give it the bare minimum of pre- and post-match build-up.
Time to split the rights for the Cup and League. Better all round.
Well, of course, England and the FA Cup used to be sold together but now they're sold separately, because the Cup works better for the Beeb and England works better for ITV. I guess the problem is that Sky would want to buy both, the League Cup is really useful for Sky now they don't have the FA Cup, but I don't see why we can't have live semi-finals and finals on terrestrial again. Sky seem to have the Football League over a barrel.
Consider that they had three live Rugby World Cup fixtures back-to-back, one including a home nation, a two hour special of one of their stalwarts in The X Factor, and the opening episode of the final series of one of their best loved drama serials in the past decade.
Well, I think is anything illustrates the folly of John Whittingdale's point about the BBC News, it's those ratings yesterday, ITV had a big lead-in for the news and a hugely popular programme after it, and many viewers still appear to have deliberately switched over to watch the BBC News. Viewers genuinely prefer it.
I loved Pop Idol Extra. Very much an early digital show where they didn't really seem to know what to do on it. They were literally showing the rehearsals of the Saturday show in full and live which I can't imagine they'd do today.
They had a Friday Xtra Factor for the first series. I can't remember mid-week. Pop Idol used to run for 2/3 days on ITV 2. It was excellent as you saw them in the preliminary rounds all practising. Far more 'real' in terms of talent show rather than staged stuff these shows have become.
Oh, I always get sad hearing this stuff about Pop Idol, such a great show at the time. Such a shame it ended, I wish it was still going. The other thing about Pop Idol Extra in midweek was that it was three hours long, as you say very much in the style of early digital shows that used to go on for hours and hours and hours. And of course as suggested it illustrated how Pop Idol so frequently went behind the scenes and showed viewers everything and talked about it, so it felt like it was on the viewers' side, not the horrible contrived cynical stuff we get now. People forget now but Pop Idol was a hugely successful show among all viewers in those days, including people like me who wouldn't touch The X Factor with a bargepole.
6.4 would still be the lowest launch since it came back, that's not really respectable(was hoping it would do better)
But as I mentioned the other day, what was the hook? I know a new series of Doctor Who is an event in its own right, but it was one of the few where there wasn't anything to capture the attention of the casual audience, no new Doctor or companion. It was just Doctor Who is back and it's the same as last time. That's absolutely fine of course because you don't want to be contriving stuff for the sake of it, but at the same time you usually start a series with something interesting for the casual audience to latch onto, and you didn't this time, which is why I think it's perhaps wrong to compare it with previous launches which weren't just the first in a new series but also often a major relaunch.
but there is already massive chunks between series, don't forget the last episode before saturday's was christmas day last year
I never understand this argument, I don't know why Doctor Who has to come back so frequently. Doc Martin is on now and it's been two years since the last series, and that's had very little effect on the ratings. I don't know why people want to rush Doctor Who back on screen if that means it won't be as good as it can be. If the option is them rushing into production, with Moffatt having to knock off the scripts quicker than ever and filming being crammed into a short timeframe, creating sub-standard episodes, or us waiting for a bit longer but getting better episodes, I don't know why anyone wouldn't prefer the latter. A writer-led series like Doctor Who shouldn't be churning things out like a sausage factory, it should be producing as many episodes as the production team think can effectively been realised in the timeframe they have to make them. If that means missing a year because Capaldi wants to do something else or Moffatt can't think of anything, so be it.
You say it hasn't been on since Christmas Day but nine months is nothing in TV terms. Strictly was last on on Christmas Day. Downton was last on on Christmas Day. And nobody remembers when things were last on anyway. It's a creative industry and episodes are ready when they're ready. It shouldn't have to fit around schedules, the schedules should fit around it.
I think it may also be that the new episodes of Family Guy are specifically advertised as new now, so more viewers have realised that these are new episodes and not just the same old repeats.
That said, though, the BBC2 announcer said the second episode last night was new, when it wasn't. They've all been announced as new, I think people are just more used to watching Family Guy later in the evening. It's like how BBC3 have been showing American Dad in recent years around midnight, a bit of a demotion from when it was on at 10pm but it did just as well.
Thats actually quite a lot and much more than I thought. I wonder why when its in a cushy slot?
Maybe I'm simplifying it too much but I think throughout this year ITV have simply abandoned it's audience and now the audience couldn't care less about what's on where. I know The X Factor, Downton Abbey and Doc Martin have seen better days but to that extent? I think issues with the channel have a part to play although obviously the programming all have problems too, mainly down to age.
An update of the Top 20 dramas. Only one episode per series, no duplicates, etc. New programmes are in bold
Most Watched Dramas of 2015 [Top 20 - Officials]
01 - 10.73m - Call The Midwife - BBC1
02 - 10.40m - Broadchurch - ITV
03 - 09.10m - Death In Paradise - BBC1
04 - 08.75m - Poldark - BBC1
05 - 08.59m - Silent Witness - BBC1
06 - 08.26m - Casual Vacancy - BBC1
07 - 07.95m - Partners in Crime - BBC1
08 - 07.90m - Last Tango in Halifax - BBC1
09 - 07.86m - Esio Trot - BBC1 10 - 07.58m - Doctor Foster - BBC1
11 - 07.48m - Black Work - ITV 12 - 07.04m - Doc Martin - ITV (HD rating estimated)
13 - 06.97m - New Tricks - BBC1
14 - 06.91m - Safe House - ITV
15 - 06.91m - Inspector George Gently - BBC1
16 - 06.65m - The Syndicate - BBC 1
17 - 06.40m - Ordinary Lives - BBC 1
18 - 06.38m - Arthur and George - ITV
19 - 06.24m - Code of a Killer - ITV
20 - 06.16m - Home Fires - ITV
Most Watched Dramas of 2015 [Top 20 - Officials inc. +1]
01 - 10.86m - Broadchurch - ITV
02 - 10.73m - Call The Midwife - BBC1
03 - 09.10m - Death in Paradise - BBC1
04 - 08.75m - Poldark - BBC1
05 - 08.59m - Silent Witness - BBC1
06 - 08.26m - The Casual Vacancy - BBC 1
07 - 08.06m - Black Work - ITV
08 - 07.95m - Partners in Crime - BBC1
09 - 07.90m - Last Tango in Halifax - BBC1
10 - 07.86m - Esio Trot - BBC1 11 - 07.58m - Doctor Foster - BBC1
12 - 07.41m - Doc Martin - ITV (HD rating estimated)
13 - 07.33m - Safe House - ITV
14 - 06.97m - New Tricks - BBC1
15 - 06.91m - Inspector George Gently - BBC1
16 - 06.82m - Home Fires - ITV
17 - 06.67m - Arthur and George - ITV
18 - 06.65m - The Syndicate - BBC1
19 - 06.57m - Code of a Killer - ITV
20 - 06.50m - Foyle's War - ITV
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Its amain to think this went from 6.5m overnight to a low of 3.2m. Quite a plunge from its 1st ep to its last.
Downton Abbey should consolidate to around 10.1m/10.4m which means Broadchurch sould remain No1 drama for the year.
ITV will be hoping one of these dramas can fill the DA gap with ratings over 10m. Its going to look pretty different on ITV this time next year without Abbey. Its going to be intersting what happens there.
If Poldark and Victoria do go opposite each other they could split the audience ad dent each other. If ITV are serious about it, then they need to mke sure they launch it before Poldark or the BBC will get a foothold and domiate another slot. They can count on CF and AR to keep them strong beforehand, so if Poldark takes off in September 2016 the ITV are going to struggle.
Maybe I'm simplifying it too much but I think throughout this year ITV have simply abandoned it's audience and now the audience couldn't care less about what's on where. I know The X Factor, Downton Abbey and Doc Martin have seen better days but to that extent? I think issues with the channel have a part to play although obviously the programming all have problems too, mainly down to age.
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Back on at 22:00 next week but it is billed as new this time, Should put American Dad, In The Flesh and Orphan Black on BBC2 too.
I would assume all 3 soaps will be around where they were last Monday seeing as the weather is not too great and it's really starting to get darker now.
That or they trying to boost the iPlayer audience before BBC3 moves online in January.
I heard somewhere earlier (Possibly on ITV) Start of a Big week of Corrie tonight a head of it's Live episode tonight from 7:30.
Or it might have been played on Heart FM.
Me too.
I watch all catch up through the TV. I use a computer or smartphone as a last resort.
I have to say, I'm impressed with that rating for Doctor Foster. I know some will say it is just because it follows Bake Off, but as we know that didn't do Our Zoo much good.
Does anyone know if it was planned to be a 'single series and done' kinda of thing? Even if it was, if the ratings hold up, then I imagine the Beeb will be trying its hardest to squeeze out a 2nd series.
Assuming Doc Martin's HD share is in line with ITV's average for this week (of 18.5% the SD rating), then it should be around 7.4m. That would make it down around 2m from the last series in 2013.
Wouldn't really worry about it, I know the true plan of scrapping the channel altogether within 6 months after the move online
Most Watched Dramas of 2015 [Top 20 - Officials]
01 - 10.73m - Call The Midwife - BBC1
02 - 10.40m - Broadchurch - ITV
03 - 09.10m - Death In Paradise - BBC1
04 - 08.75m - Poldark - BBC1
05 - 08.59m - Silent Witness - BBC1
06 - 08.26m - Casual Vacancy - BBC1
07 - 07.95m - Partners in Crime - BBC1
08 - 07.90m - Last Tango in Halifax - BBC1
09 - 07.86m - Esio Trot - BBC1
10 - 07.58m - Doctor Foster - BBC1
11 - 07.48m - Black Work - ITV
12 - 07.04m - Doc Martin - ITV (HD rating estimated)
13 - 06.97m - New Tricks - BBC1
14 - 06.91m - Safe House - ITV
15 - 06.91m - Inspector George Gently - BBC1
16 - 06.65m - The Syndicate - BBC 1
17 - 06.40m - Ordinary Lives - BBC 1
18 - 06.38m - Arthur and George - ITV
19 - 06.24m - Code of a Killer - ITV
20 - 06.16m - Home Fires - ITV
Most Watched Dramas of 2015 [Top 20 - Officials inc. +1]
01 - 10.86m - Broadchurch - ITV
02 - 10.73m - Call The Midwife - BBC1
03 - 09.10m - Death in Paradise - BBC1
04 - 08.75m - Poldark - BBC1
05 - 08.59m - Silent Witness - BBC1
06 - 08.26m - The Casual Vacancy - BBC 1
07 - 08.06m - Black Work - ITV
08 - 07.95m - Partners in Crime - BBC1
09 - 07.90m - Last Tango in Halifax - BBC1
10 - 07.86m - Esio Trot - BBC1
11 - 07.58m - Doctor Foster - BBC1
12 - 07.41m - Doc Martin - ITV (HD rating estimated)
13 - 07.33m - Safe House - ITV
14 - 06.97m - New Tricks - BBC1
15 - 06.91m - Inspector George Gently - BBC1
16 - 06.82m - Home Fires - ITV
17 - 06.67m - Arthur and George - ITV
18 - 06.65m - The Syndicate - BBC1
19 - 06.57m - Code of a Killer - ITV
20 - 06.50m - Foyle's War - ITV
Channel 4 is certainly having a much better time of it this year with it's dramas.
Most Watched Dramas of 2015 not on BBC1/ITV [Top 20 - Officials inc. +1/+24]
01 - 06.12m - Humans - C4
02 - 05.99m - Wolf Hall - BBC2
03 - 05.29m - Indian Summer - C4
04 - 04.43m - Banished - BBC2
05 - 03.58m - No Offence - C4
06 - 03.21m - Scandalous Lady W - BBC2
07 - 02.72m - Game of Thrones - Sky Atlantic
08 - 02.71m - Stonemouth - BBC2
09 - 02.64m - This Is England 90 - C4
10 - 02.59m - The Game - BBC2
11 - 02.28m - Life In Squares - BBC2
12 - 02.18m - Gotham - C5
13 - 02.17m - NCIS - C5
14 - 02.13m - Odyssey - BBC2
15 - 02.10m - Cyberbully - C4
16 - 02.03m - Enfield Haunting - Sky Living
17 - 01.91m - CSI - C5
18 - 01.86m - Cucumber - C4
19 - 01.81m - NCIS New Orleans - C5
20 - 01.78m - Mentalist - C5
Is Casualty a serial drama or drama?
Thats actually quite a lot and much more than I thought. I wonder why when its in a cushy slot?
I don't know...whats the difference?
For the record, it's highest episode this year is 6.16m....so no longer enough feature in the BBC1/ITV Top 20 (although that would place it at #15 in a 'BBC1 only' chart).
Actually on a Wednesday, not a Fri? EDiT: Just checked. Called "The Aftermath".
I reckon it's the just suffering the natural decline that the majority of dramas go through as they get on in age, hastened by the 2 year gap between series. I know they've done the 2 year gap for a while, but now that the programme is no longer 'fresh', i think it is much more difficult to persuade people to return. As we've seen with other programmes, once people get used to living without it in their TV schedules, it can be challenging to get them back. Trying to create buzz for a 'cosy' 10 year old drama must be difficult.
But hey, this is only one rating - who knows what next week's consolidated will bring.
Yes, and in many ways you can argue the League Cup was probably better value for the BBC because they had two matches in primetime in the middle of winter and the final on a usually cold day in February, whereas with the FA Cup, there are more matches but most of them are out of primetime, the final's on usually a hot day in May and you're also obliged to cover the earlier rounds which are of minimal interest as well. Obviously you get more content out of the FA Cup and it's far more prestigious but that League Cup contract was really good value for a terrestrial channel, just three really big games in prime slots.
When Sky originally got the live rights to the League Cup in 1996, the deal involved ITV showing both legs of one of the semi-finals live, which seemed very strange when they couldn't show the final. The fixtures would suggest they had first choice as well which seems even odder when you consider how biased the rest of the contract was towards Sky. But I don't think it does it any good for it all to be live on Sky and the terrestrial highlights being after 11pm (and now on Channel Five which clearly is going to be less prominent than BBC1). It makes the final look just like a bog standard Premier League match, and Sky have hardly given it many trimmings in recent years either, they give it the bare minimum of pre- and post-match build-up.
Well, of course, England and the FA Cup used to be sold together but now they're sold separately, because the Cup works better for the Beeb and England works better for ITV. I guess the problem is that Sky would want to buy both, the League Cup is really useful for Sky now they don't have the FA Cup, but I don't see why we can't have live semi-finals and finals on terrestrial again. Sky seem to have the Football League over a barrel.
Well, I think is anything illustrates the folly of John Whittingdale's point about the BBC News, it's those ratings yesterday, ITV had a big lead-in for the news and a hugely popular programme after it, and many viewers still appear to have deliberately switched over to watch the BBC News. Viewers genuinely prefer it.
Oh, I always get sad hearing this stuff about Pop Idol, such a great show at the time. Such a shame it ended, I wish it was still going. The other thing about Pop Idol Extra in midweek was that it was three hours long, as you say very much in the style of early digital shows that used to go on for hours and hours and hours. And of course as suggested it illustrated how Pop Idol so frequently went behind the scenes and showed viewers everything and talked about it, so it felt like it was on the viewers' side, not the horrible contrived cynical stuff we get now. People forget now but Pop Idol was a hugely successful show among all viewers in those days, including people like me who wouldn't touch The X Factor with a bargepole.
But as I mentioned the other day, what was the hook? I know a new series of Doctor Who is an event in its own right, but it was one of the few where there wasn't anything to capture the attention of the casual audience, no new Doctor or companion. It was just Doctor Who is back and it's the same as last time. That's absolutely fine of course because you don't want to be contriving stuff for the sake of it, but at the same time you usually start a series with something interesting for the casual audience to latch onto, and you didn't this time, which is why I think it's perhaps wrong to compare it with previous launches which weren't just the first in a new series but also often a major relaunch.
I never understand this argument, I don't know why Doctor Who has to come back so frequently. Doc Martin is on now and it's been two years since the last series, and that's had very little effect on the ratings. I don't know why people want to rush Doctor Who back on screen if that means it won't be as good as it can be. If the option is them rushing into production, with Moffatt having to knock off the scripts quicker than ever and filming being crammed into a short timeframe, creating sub-standard episodes, or us waiting for a bit longer but getting better episodes, I don't know why anyone wouldn't prefer the latter. A writer-led series like Doctor Who shouldn't be churning things out like a sausage factory, it should be producing as many episodes as the production team think can effectively been realised in the timeframe they have to make them. If that means missing a year because Capaldi wants to do something else or Moffatt can't think of anything, so be it.
You say it hasn't been on since Christmas Day but nine months is nothing in TV terms. Strictly was last on on Christmas Day. Downton was last on on Christmas Day. And nobody remembers when things were last on anyway. It's a creative industry and episodes are ready when they're ready. It shouldn't have to fit around schedules, the schedules should fit around it.
That said, though, the BBC2 announcer said the second episode last night was new, when it wasn't. They've all been announced as new, I think people are just more used to watching Family Guy later in the evening. It's like how BBC3 have been showing American Dad in recent years around midnight, a bit of a demotion from when it was on at 10pm but it did just as well.
Maybe I'm simplifying it too much but I think throughout this year ITV have simply abandoned it's audience and now the audience couldn't care less about what's on where. I know The X Factor, Downton Abbey and Doc Martin have seen better days but to that extent? I think issues with the channel have a part to play although obviously the programming all have problems too, mainly down to age.
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Its amain to think this went from 6.5m overnight to a low of 3.2m. Quite a plunge from its 1st ep to its last.
Downton Abbey should consolidate to around 10.1m/10.4m which means Broadchurch sould remain No1 drama for the year.
ITV will be hoping one of these dramas can fill the DA gap with ratings over 10m. Its going to look pretty different on ITV this time next year without Abbey. Its going to be intersting what happens there.
If Poldark and Victoria do go opposite each other they could split the audience ad dent each other. If ITV are serious about it, then they need to mke sure they launch it before Poldark or the BBC will get a foothold and domiate another slot. They can count on CF and AR to keep them strong beforehand, so if Poldark takes off in September 2016 the ITV are going to struggle.
No your spot on