It was a huge shame people are initial took offence with the BBspy article on why BB Canada are getting it right. Keeping trust with the fans
Ben Frow whilst he was angry at least kept talking endemol completely shut up shop and didn't bother for over 5 weeks,
They need to face facts the direction the summer series is taking just isn't working for them Channel 5 or a lot of the fans. If there's no rows they feel the need to manufacture them.
They need a full review. not just of the feed but what the summer series is actually supposed to be and time to drop the need for the Towie audience etc. Personally I'd love to see Phil edgar jones take on such a review I know he works for SKY arts now
but they need someone like him to take the show apart and see what can be saved.
The fact they are having to rely on former HM's to keep the show running says it all.
Next big Twist Friday? one of the Legend HM's stays and gets the chance to win the series. or just put more in have another mass eviction and get rid of me of this years bunch and forget they ever got selected
Latest rumours, hopefully the 3 toerags will be gone THIS Friday with any luck and also there is an 80's theme rumoured for this coming weekend
It was a huge shame people are initial took offence with the BBspy article on why BB Canada are getting it right. Keeping trust with the fans
Ben Frow whilst he was angry at least kept talking endemol completely shut up shop and didn't bother for over 5 weeks,
They need to face facts the direction the summer series is taking just isn't working for them Channel 5 or a lot of the fans. If there's no rows they feel the need to manufacture them.
They need a full review. not just of the feed but what the summer series is actually supposed to be and time to drop the need for the Towie audience etc. Personally I'd love to see Phil edgar jones take on such a review I know he works for SKY arts now
but they need someone like him to take the show apart and see what can be saved.
The fact they are having to rely on former HM's to keep the show running says it all.
It's been a very weak series oathy which just hasn't got going. It's not just samwell-smith that is the problem as I get the vibe Mr O'connor doesn't really want live feed either. Both men have been brainwashed by Desmond and Ford. >:(
It feels as though channel 5 want marc to win guys and girls hence the lack of live feed. Ben frow I think has done this on purpose as I think he wants him to be signed up by Richard Desmond. What I'm saying could be a conspiracy theory or it could be close to the truth. But I can see civilian bb being axed after 2018 anyway, the talent of running the show just isn't there.
Well I hope this will leave to the downfall for Channel 5 with Celebrity Big Brother too as people like me will say boycott all of there channels, Including Breaking Bad on Spike.
People are claiming that marcs eviction was a fix last night, I think he is part of a reason hyperstarsponge why we've virtually had no live feed in the first place for this summer series as channel 5 have had to censor everything. Even when live feed did come on last night my friend after bbbots, the conversation turned to marc pretty much all the time. It was nice of them showing the chloe and Christian friendship too.
Think as well as that they really need to rethink their casting for next time round if it's to have any chance of a live feed whatsoever and for them to stop feeling the need to have a TOWIE sort of audience really. It's those people that are giving bb a bad name. >:(
Hate to say it but this bb has probably been the nastiest and least popular to date. Everything has revolved around manufactured conflict and little around hms actually having a good time. Even presenter emma Willis had a lot of abuse last night on twitter as they thought she was taking sides. We shouldn't blame her, we should blame the people who sign her pay cheque.
She may not be very good at her job, but at least there are many people who like her and that, I'd like for her to move onto something different really and for us to have a different kind of presenter and hopefully one that will fight our corner like davina with live feed issues.
Talk about deluded yep those new ways of interacting with people are doing so well.
I feel as though i have read many such emails/letters in the past……same old nonsense etc
but what is really going on behind the scenes?
surely not more of the same,not if they want the show to continue for another 3 years…….
I feel as though i have read many such emails/letters in the past……same old nonsense etc
but what is really going on behind the scenes?
surely not more of the same,not if they want the show to continue for another 3 years…….
Ive sent a copy to both Ben Frow and Nick Samwell-Smith.
I am disgusted. The "letter" was actually 65 pages of highly relevant information
also the comments people took time to post on here and in the main forum.
Its failed Twitter/FB has failed as a concept has he checked BB AUS? lately they copied the Jeff forward idea and Flaccid doesn't even come close. No doubt when the time is right other factors will be used to blame on the shows failure.
More than ever i'm convinced we are going to be told Normal BB dropped in favour of longer winter/summer CBB's
Ive sent a copy to both Ben Frow and Nick Samwell-Smith.
I am disgusted. The "letter" was actually 65 pages of highly relevant information
also the comments people took time to post on here and in the main forum.
Its failed Twitter/FB has failed as a concept has he checked BB AUS? lately they copied the Jeff forward idea and Flaccid doesn't even come close. No doubt when the time is right other factors will be used to blame on the shows failure.
More than ever i'm convinced we are going to be told Normal BB dropped in favour of longer winter/summer CBB's
What are your reasons for thinking "Twitter/FB has failed as a concept"?
And what is the point about Australian BB? As I understand it, it did well the last time it was on, but the channel has so many other things they want to show that they're resting non-celeb BB, at least for now.
Anyway, I think it's unfortunate that the letter makes what seems to be a formula reply. As livefeed24/7now said, the wording seems quite familiar. A formula reply doesn't have much credibility and it may well not reflect what the people who could make the decision are currently thinking.
What are your reasons for thinking "Twitter/FB has failed as a concept"?
And what is the point about Australian BB? As I understand it, it did well the last time it was on, but the channel has so many other things they want to show that they're resting non-celeb BB, at least for now.
Anyway, I think it's unfortunate that the letter makes what seems to be a formula reply. As livefeed24/7now said, the wording seems quite familiar. A formula reply doesn't have much credibility and it may well not reflect what the people who could make the decision are currently thinking.
Hi Veri
its basically flying in the face of recent contact that said some live feed would be back.(in some form)
complete and utter shambles. Both Endemol and Ben Frow would like the feed back in some shape or form. But by the wording of that letter you could swear the mediums they are currently using are keeping everyone happy (when they clearly are so limited in what they can offer)
He's actually on about control we had a series cut short and lack lustre ratings to say the least.
Happy summed it up nicely this guy is in control of other BB's yet they have remained loyal to the original format but somehow the UK version is different. It just doesn't make sense
Football League highlights and films will get much more ratings then CBB these days no matter how much it is promoted.
To be honest I think the bb producers have told viacom a load of lies with the viewing figures of live feed. It's because of their lies that were left with peanuts coverage basically. Then again the modern day producers are loons anyway. >:(
To be honest I think the bb producers have told viacom a load of lies with the viewing figures of live feed. It's because of their lies that were left with peanuts coverage basically. Then again the modern day producers are loons anyway. >:(
Jeff fords reply was Curt to say the least.
but this reply even shocked me he didn't even try to answer one question
And they weren't out of place.
things like. Could he consider a review of the current setup
and could he confirm they are using the same C4 data on the last live feed if so they will see owing to the issues of undercharging etc.
also the possibility of allowing a 3rd party to take the feed one that knows how to make a profit out of doing the service. He didn't answer one question and its not only him even the low tier's of Viacom wont answer.
If I was working for Endemol I would be very worried at the moment because shambles doesn't even come close. You'd never think they pulled the show early
reading that letter
It's odd how Viacom (an American broadcaster) seem to view our CBB/BB.
When BB:USA is going from strength to strength regularly winning it's slot in all key demographics,you'd think they would be trying to emulate that success here by doing everything they can to help the show.
Once I get windows 10 and my bloody printer working. I will be replying to that thing he called a reply.
As before please feel free to post how you feel and I will reprint. I have no intention of letting the guy think that Jeff ford Lala view if BBUK is the correct. Is he even aware how crap twitter updates are with them? seriously
Once I get windows 10 and my bloody printer working. I will be replying to that thing he called a reply.
As before please feel free to post how you feel and I will reprint. I have no intention of letting the guy think that Jeff ford Lala view if BBUK is the correct. Is he even aware how crap twitter updates are with them? seriously
His response is poor and is based on nothing - had he included stats to prove his point I would have probably accepted it.
If the world has 'moved on' since the early days of the show, then surely the whole thing needs to be canned as it used to pull in over 8 million viewers 'back in the day', today its not uncommon for it to struggle sustaining 1.5 million.
Lets also remind him that both the US and Canadian version have had a 24 hour live feed since their first season. The US version in particular actually offer this as a subscription based service and it still proves popular among fans, so his point about reflecting the habits and preferences of today's audience is not a valid one.
If they are so keen to cater to users of social media and in particular, their apps for Android & iOS, then why not at least introduce a mobile live stream that's exclusive to these apps. They'd not need to bother with TV scheduling and this would allow people to dip in and out wherever they are. This is what I would call 'keeping with the times', not offering text updates every couple of hours. We live in a world where most people have a 3G/4G mobile data connection and smartphones which are more than capable of live video streaming (I watched both Glastonbury & Wimbledon live through the BBC's app solely using my mobile data connection and it streamed perfectly)
They are the ones that aren't with the times and its only going to get worse for them as a broadcaster if they aren't willing to embrace new technology. (Let's not even start on the official Big Brother website - embarrassing is an understatement.)
His response is poor and is based on nothing - had he included stats to prove his point I would have probably accepted it.
If the world has 'moved on' since the early days of the show, then surely the whole thing needs to be canned as it used to pull in over 8 million viewers 'back in the day', today its not uncommon for it to struggle sustaining 1.5 million.
Lets also remind him that both the US and Canadian version have had a 24 hour live feed since their first season. The US version in particular actually offer this as a subscription based service and it still proves popular among fans, so his point about reflecting the habits and preferences of today's audience is not a valid one.
If they are so keen to cater to users of social media and in particular, their apps for Android & iOS, then why not at least introduce a mobile live stream that's exclusive to these apps. They'd not need to bother with TV scheduling and this would allow people to dip in and out wherever they are. This is what I would call 'keeping with the times', not offering text updates every couple of hours. We live in a world where most people have a 3G/4G mobile data connection and smartphones which are more than capable of live video streaming (I watched both Glastonbury & Wimbledon live through the BBC's app solely using my mobile data connection and it streamed perfectly)
They are the ones that aren't with the times and its only going to get worse for them as a broadcaster if they aren't willing to embrace new technology. (Let's not even start on the official Big Brother website - embarrassing is an understatement.)
thank you so much for posting this is it okay If I include this in a reply to him?
Once I get windows 10 and my bloody printer working. I will be replying to that thing he called a reply.
As before please feel free to post how you feel and I will reprint. I have no intention of letting the guy think that Jeff ford Lala view if BBUK is the correct. Is he even aware how crap twitter updates are with them? seriously
Updates? It is laughable that the twitter feed consists of things like "which housemate is having a sneaky nap?" (and never telling us)
The reason some people (with more patience than me) persist with the "updates" is because there is no live feed, not because they actually like it!
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It was a huge shame people are initial took offence with the BBspy article on why BB Canada are getting it right. Keeping trust with the fans
Ben Frow whilst he was angry at least kept talking endemol completely shut up shop and didn't bother for over 5 weeks,
They need to face facts the direction the summer series is taking just isn't working for them Channel 5 or a lot of the fans. If there's no rows they feel the need to manufacture them.
They need a full review. not just of the feed but what the summer series is actually supposed to be and time to drop the need for the Towie audience etc. Personally I'd love to see Phil edgar jones take on such a review I know he works for SKY arts now
but they need someone like him to take the show apart and see what can be saved.
The fact they are having to rely on former HM's to keep the show running says it all.
Latest rumours, hopefully the 3 toerags will be gone THIS Friday with any luck and also there is an 80's theme rumoured for this coming weekend
Nikki and Helen have gone, aisleyne is still there. :cool:
It's been a very weak series oathy which just hasn't got going. It's not just samwell-smith that is the problem as I get the vibe Mr O'connor doesn't really want live feed either. Both men have been brainwashed by Desmond and Ford. >:(
People are claiming that marcs eviction was a fix last night, I think he is part of a reason hyperstarsponge why we've virtually had no live feed in the first place for this summer series as channel 5 have had to censor everything. Even when live feed did come on last night my friend after bbbots, the conversation turned to marc pretty much all the time. It was nice of them showing the chloe and Christian friendship too.
Think as well as that they really need to rethink their casting for next time round if it's to have any chance of a live feed whatsoever and for them to stop feeling the need to have a TOWIE sort of audience really. It's those people that are giving bb a bad name. >:(
Hate to say it but this bb has probably been the nastiest and least popular to date. Everything has revolved around manufactured conflict and little around hms actually having a good time. Even presenter emma Willis had a lot of abuse last night on twitter as they thought she was taking sides. We shouldn't blame her, we should blame the people who sign her pay cheque.
She may not be very good at her job, but at least there are many people who like her and that, I'd like for her to move onto something different really and for us to have a different kind of presenter and hopefully one that will fight our corner like davina with live feed issues.
sorry its not good news.
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Talk about deluded yep those new ways of interacting with people are doing so well.
the wording of that reply seems quite familiar to me
their big brother turd will need some extra special polishing next year
I feel as though i have read many such emails/letters in the past……same old nonsense etc
but what is really going on behind the scenes?
surely not more of the same,not if they want the show to continue for another 3 years…….
Ive sent a copy to both Ben Frow and Nick Samwell-Smith.
I am disgusted. The "letter" was actually 65 pages of highly relevant information
also the comments people took time to post on here and in the main forum.
Its failed Twitter/FB has failed as a concept has he checked BB AUS? lately they copied the Jeff forward idea and Flaccid doesn't even come close. No doubt when the time is right other factors will be used to blame on the shows failure.
More than ever i'm convinced we are going to be told Normal BB dropped in favour of longer winter/summer CBB's
Not exactly a shock is it
What are your reasons for thinking "Twitter/FB has failed as a concept"?
And what is the point about Australian BB? As I understand it, it did well the last time it was on, but the channel has so many other things they want to show that they're resting non-celeb BB, at least for now.
Anyway, I think it's unfortunate that the letter makes what seems to be a formula reply. As livefeed24/7now said, the wording seems quite familiar. A formula reply doesn't have much credibility and it may well not reflect what the people who could make the decision are currently thinking.
Hi Veri
its basically flying in the face of recent contact that said some live feed would be back.(in some form)
complete and utter shambles. Both Endemol and Ben Frow would like the feed back in some shape or form. But by the wording of that letter you could swear the mediums they are currently using are keeping everyone happy (when they clearly are so limited in what they can offer)
He's actually on about control we had a series cut short and lack lustre ratings to say the least.
Happy summed it up nicely this guy is in control of other BB's yet they have remained loyal to the original format but somehow the UK version is different. It just doesn't make sense
To be honest I think the bb producers have told viacom a load of lies with the viewing figures of live feed. It's because of their lies that were left with peanuts coverage basically. Then again the modern day producers are loons anyway. >:(
Jeff fords reply was Curt to say the least.
but this reply even shocked me he didn't even try to answer one question
And they weren't out of place.
things like. Could he consider a review of the current setup
and could he confirm they are using the same C4 data on the last live feed if so they will see owing to the issues of undercharging etc.
also the possibility of allowing a 3rd party to take the feed one that knows how to make a profit out of doing the service. He didn't answer one question and its not only him even the low tier's of Viacom wont answer.
If I was working for Endemol I would be very worried at the moment because shambles doesn't even come close. You'd never think they pulled the show early
reading that letter
What a load of old dismissive bullshine >:(
Thank you for keeping the good fight going, oathy, your tenacity is admirable.
When BB:USA is going from strength to strength regularly winning it's slot in all key demographics,you'd think they would be trying to emulate that success here by doing everything they can to help the show.
As before please feel free to post how you feel and I will reprint. I have no intention of letting the guy think that Jeff ford Lala view if BBUK is the correct. Is he even aware how crap twitter updates are with them? seriously
His response is poor and is based on nothing - had he included stats to prove his point I would have probably accepted it.
If the world has 'moved on' since the early days of the show, then surely the whole thing needs to be canned as it used to pull in over 8 million viewers 'back in the day', today its not uncommon for it to struggle sustaining 1.5 million.
Lets also remind him that both the US and Canadian version have had a 24 hour live feed since their first season. The US version in particular actually offer this as a subscription based service and it still proves popular among fans, so his point about reflecting the habits and preferences of today's audience is not a valid one.
If they are so keen to cater to users of social media and in particular, their apps for Android & iOS, then why not at least introduce a mobile live stream that's exclusive to these apps. They'd not need to bother with TV scheduling and this would allow people to dip in and out wherever they are. This is what I would call 'keeping with the times', not offering text updates every couple of hours. We live in a world where most people have a 3G/4G mobile data connection and smartphones which are more than capable of live video streaming (I watched both Glastonbury & Wimbledon live through the BBC's app solely using my mobile data connection and it streamed perfectly)
They are the ones that aren't with the times and its only going to get worse for them as a broadcaster if they aren't willing to embrace new technology. (Let's not even start on the official Big Brother website - embarrassing is an understatement.)
thank you so much for posting this is it okay If I include this in a reply to him?
Updates? It is laughable that the twitter feed consists of things like "which housemate is having a sneaky nap?" (and never telling us)
The reason some people (with more patience than me) persist with the "updates" is because there is no live feed, not because they actually like it!
of course, I'd love him to read it. ;-)