Yeah, voting for a party with practically zero chance of ever implementing a single policy sounds like a real choice. Or does it just sound like the Green Party
Well isn't that why millions don't bother voting - because they are all the same!
There wasn't a choice last time, but if Corbyn wins - he's getting my vote at the next election, and there's nothing you or Rupert Murdoch can do about it! I am sure there will be many more voters just like me!
You don't get half a million members joining up if you're not tapping into something!
The westminster bubble must be sh"tting themselves!
If you read my post more carefully you will see that it was not directed solely at you. The option not to engage with Hilda's threads, since you find them so objectionable , is freely available to you as is the ability to start your own threads .
I don't even know who Hilda is, probably not even a women, so I can't find them personally objectionable, indeed am sure in some threads I've exchanged friendly comments with them.
But really, who would attack their own political party if they genuinely supports them!?
Labours origins are based in Trade Union movement, and working class people - Blair moved Labour away from all of that, and now its going the other way - and about time too.
I don't even know who Hilda is, probably not even a women, so I can't find them personally objectionable, indeed am sure in some threads I've exchanged friendly comments with them.
But really, who would attack their own political party if they genuinely supports them!?
Labours origins are based in Trade Union movement, and working class people - Blair moved Labour away from all of that, and now its going the other way - and about time too.
Attacking Corbyn and attacking the Labour party are two quite different things.
i'm happy enough with labour drifting to the left, well maybe apart from foreign policy, but i am not happy with them drifting to the left under someone who is a leader in name only
in the age of clickbait politics his opponents dont even have to try very hard to find things to attack him on, his record over the last 30+ years has provided them with just too much ammo
But I don't want a slick media friendly politician to lead the Labour Party - its all fake and phoney. That type of politics doesn't work anymore.
What policies is he advocating?? Apart from keeping Trident but removing the warheads
Tackling inequality, neglect, insecurity, prejudice, discrimination and innumeracy for starters. 28 mins in. And guess what, Liz Kendal agrees with all those things, but believes....blah blah blah b*ll Sh*t.
Yet she is supporting Owen Smith who has made a huge error, according to Portilo by saying that he will call for a referendum on the EU, where, as Portilo points out most of Labour supporters in the North voted out. These Blairites still don't have a clue as to what is going on around them.
Attacking Corbyn and attacking the Labour party are two quite different things.
You'd be better off joining the Tories if your going to praise May, but attack the leader of your own Labour Party - a leader democratically elected by a huge majority of members, and adding hundreds of thousands more members in 12 months! And all this despite the daily media attacks on him from both the right wing press and PLP
I don't even know who Hilda is, probably not even a women, so I can't find them personally objectionable, indeed am sure in some threads I've exchanged friendly comments with them.
But really, who would attack their own political party if they genuinely supports them!?
Labours origins are based in Trade Union movement, and working class people - Blair moved Labour away from all of that, and now its going the other way - and about time too.
Plenty if people attack their own parties, from Corbyn trying to force out Kinnock, Smith and Blair to John Majors' Batstewards. And we are in a state of civil war in the Party now. In any case, I don't think Hilda is attacking the Party , she is criticising Corbyn. Unless you believe in My Leader a Right or Wrong, that seems a perfectly healthy state of affairs. It's a position adopted by Corbyn many many times and over multiple leaders
Tackling inequality, neglect, insecurity, prejudice, discrimination and innumeracy for starters. 28 mins in. And guess what, Liz Kendal agrees with all those things, but believes....blah blah blah b*ll Sh*t.
Yet she is supporting Owen Smith who has made a huge error, according to Portilo by saying that he will call for a referendum on the EU, where, as Portilo points out most of Labour supporters in the North voted out. These Blairites still don't have a clue as to what is going on around them.
Edited to add: I also remember a while back he has said he will put a cap on rents, to make it more affordable to rent.
Tackling inequality, etc etc - everyone wants that , even Theresa May. But how is Corbyn going to deliver that?? It's easy to say. So far he has said something about getting companies to publish stuff but lawyers have pointed out that this would be illegal.
He can't even stop his own supporters threatening female MPs with rape and death threats! That would be a good place to start.
How will he get rid of innumeracy??! It's not like previous Govts haven't tried.
You'd be better off joining the Tories if your going to praise May, but attack the leader of your own Labour Party - a leader democratically elected by a huge majority of members, and adding hundreds of thousands more members in 12 months! And all this despite the daily media attacks on him from both the right wing press and PLP
John Smith had his own mandate and that didn't stop JC gunning for him. And quite right too because we do not live under a dictatorship and members should feel free to criticise the leader without his Pretorian Guard telling them to " Eff Off to the Tories".
Yup and one who attracts a thuggish element. No thanks. >:(
There's no evidence only repeated slurs - otherwise the police would have made numerous arrests and prosecutions! It gets pathetic when you hear Labour MP's on telly complaining that Corbyn was threatening to phone their dad up! It's laughable!
And that brick thrown through Angela Eagles constituency office one night when no one was in! Could have been anyone - vandalism happens everywhere! Eagle was safe & sound tucked up in bed somewhere in London when it happened.
Hasn't her constituency labour party just been suspended because the members planned to deselect her! The PLP is so out of touch with its own members!
Listen, the biggest bullies within the Labour Party are the Blairites - they even bullied the nation into an illegal war. Tony Blair should end up in the Hague and tried as a war criminal, and all those Labour right MP's that backed him, should hang their heads in shame. They let the country down, and the ordinary folk they are supposed to represent!
Incorrect I am a party member and I haven't been glowing about the Tories.
I voted online in the NEC elections 5 days ago so I am a party member there's no confusion.
As you once said, "I rarely believe or give much credence to biographical details people on Internet forums give to support or justify their stances and political opinions as they are more often than not very contrived and amazingly convient."
Funny how we're supposed to take your word that you are - conveniently - a fully engaged member of the Labour Party.
Not doubting that you are. Merely highlighting your double standards.
There's no evidence only repeated slurs - otherwise the police would have made numerous arrests and prosecutions! It gets pathetic when you hear Labour MP's on telly complaining that Corbyn was threatening to phone their dad up! It's laughable!
And that brick thrown through Angela Eagles constituency office one night when no one was in! Could have been anyone - vandalism happens everywhere! Eagle was safe & sound tucked up in bed somewhere in London when it happened.
Hasn't her constituency labour party just been suspended because the members planned to deselect her! The PLP is so out of touch with its own members!
Listen, the biggest bullies within the Labour Party are the Blairites - they even bullied the nation into an illegal war. Tony Blair should end up in the Hague and tried as a war criminal, and all those Labour right MP's that backed him, should hang their heads in shame. They let the country down, and the ordinary folk they are supposed to represent!
Another problem for Corbyn:-
"Seema Malhotra has written to the speaker to complain of a "breach of parliamentary privilege" along with "aggressive and intimidating" behaviour from Mr Corbyn's office manager Karie Murphy.
It appears that Ms Murphy tried to use a key card to gain access to the room on 15 July, while Ms Malhotra was in her constituency."
Biggest problem is Corbyn's faffing around and not saying anything substantial other than the same. He needs to take control but he can't unfortunately Momentum has taken control of him.
I don't even know who Hilda is, probably not even a women, so I can't find them personally objectionable, indeed am sure in some threads I've exchanged friendly comments with them.
But really, who would attack their own political party if they genuinely supports them!?
Labours origins are based in Trade Union movement, and working class people - Blair moved Labour away from all of that, and now its going the other way - and about time too.
The Govt had best get a move on and dump the fixed term parliament act if they want to take 100 seats off Labour in a snap election, because the way that parties going Labour might not have 100 seats left to take for much longer :D:D
Not got a link yet but this was just shown on camera on SKY NEWS paper review in the Mail on Sunday.
Would be horrifying for Labour if it became reality
Well that's interesting because in the last two bye elections both held this month they held on to the seats they were contesting, some with gains some with small loses. The Daily Fascist is going to be extremely upset if Corbyn goes as a result of the smears and the Labour party get behind the new leader and become stronger. What are they going to do then? Seems to me it would be in their best interests to leave him alone.
Well isn't that why millions don't bother voting - because they are all the same!
There wasn't a choice last time, but if Corbyn wins - he's getting my vote at the next election, and there's nothing you or Rupert Murdoch can do about it! I am sure there will be many more voters just like me!
You don't get half a million members joining up if you're not tapping into something!
The westminster bubble must be sh"tting themselves!
I really don't care who you vote for and I certainly don't want to do anything about it . But being lumped in with Murdoch, that's new. That's definitely never happened before.
Shitting themselves about 500,000 people? I really doubt it. You don't win an election by preaching to the converted.
Declaring a snap election as victory is unwise for any party. The Conservatives are boxed into Brexit. Labour can continue with a remain position. A snap GE effectively becomes referendum mk2.
As you once said, "I rarely believe or give much credence to biographical details people on Internet forums give to support or justify their stances and political opinions as they are more often than not very contrived and amazingly convient."
Funny how we're supposed to take your word that you are - conveniently - a fully engaged member of the Labour Party.
Not doubting that you are. Merely highlighting your double standards.
No, this is quite different and it does feel like a lynch mob mentality is trying to get at Hilda, just because she criticises Cirbyn, remind you of anyone?!
In the other thread, a poster volunteered that he was a lawyer, purely to make his point; on this thread, Hilda was being challenged to declare her membership or otherwise, only then to be mocked by you because it is impossible to prove on a forum . It's classic witch-hunt tactic - damned if you do and damned if up you don't.
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Well isn't that why millions don't bother voting - because they are all the same!
There wasn't a choice last time, but if Corbyn wins - he's getting my vote at the next election, and there's nothing you or Rupert Murdoch can do about it! I am sure there will be many more voters just like me!
You don't get half a million members joining up if you're not tapping into something!
The westminster bubble must be sh"tting themselves!
I don't even know who Hilda is, probably not even a women, so I can't find them personally objectionable, indeed am sure in some threads I've exchanged friendly comments with them.
But really, who would attack their own political party if they genuinely supports them!?
Labours origins are based in Trade Union movement, and working class people - Blair moved Labour away from all of that, and now its going the other way - and about time too.
But I don't want a slick media friendly politician to lead the Labour Party - its all fake and phoney. That type of politics doesn't work anymore.
Tackling inequality, neglect, insecurity, prejudice, discrimination and innumeracy for starters. 28 mins in. And guess what, Liz Kendal agrees with all those things, but believes....blah blah blah b*ll Sh*t.
Yet she is supporting Owen Smith who has made a huge error, according to Portilo by saying that he will call for a referendum on the EU, where, as Portilo points out most of Labour supporters in the North voted out. These Blairites still don't have a clue as to what is going on around them.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07lqhhn/this-week-21072016
Edited to add: I also remember a while back he has said he will put a cap on rents, to make it more affordable to rent.
I completely agree.
You'd be better off joining the Tories if your going to praise May, but attack the leader of your own Labour Party - a leader democratically elected by a huge majority of members, and adding hundreds of thousands more members in 12 months! And all this despite the daily media attacks on him from both the right wing press and PLP
Plenty if people attack their own parties, from Corbyn trying to force out Kinnock, Smith and Blair to John Majors' Batstewards. And we are in a state of civil war in the Party now. In any case, I don't think Hilda is attacking the Party , she is criticising Corbyn. Unless you believe in My Leader a Right or Wrong, that seems a perfectly healthy state of affairs. It's a position adopted by Corbyn many many times and over multiple leaders
neither do i, but i dont want a bumbling fool with too many skeletons in his closet either
Tackling inequality, etc etc - everyone wants that , even Theresa May. But how is Corbyn going to deliver that?? It's easy to say. So far he has said something about getting companies to publish stuff but lawyers have pointed out that this would be illegal.
He can't even stop his own supporters threatening female MPs with rape and death threats! That would be a good place to start.
How will he get rid of innumeracy??! It's not like previous Govts haven't tried.
Yup and one who attracts a thuggish element. No thanks. >:(
John Smith had his own mandate and that didn't stop JC gunning for him. And quite right too because we do not live under a dictatorship and members should feel free to criticise the leader without his Pretorian Guard telling them to " Eff Off to the Tories".
There's no evidence only repeated slurs - otherwise the police would have made numerous arrests and prosecutions! It gets pathetic when you hear Labour MP's on telly complaining that Corbyn was threatening to phone their dad up! It's laughable!
And that brick thrown through Angela Eagles constituency office one night when no one was in! Could have been anyone - vandalism happens everywhere! Eagle was safe & sound tucked up in bed somewhere in London when it happened.
Hasn't her constituency labour party just been suspended because the members planned to deselect her! The PLP is so out of touch with its own members!
Listen, the biggest bullies within the Labour Party are the Blairites - they even bullied the nation into an illegal war. Tony Blair should end up in the Hague and tried as a war criminal, and all those Labour right MP's that backed him, should hang their heads in shame. They let the country down, and the ordinary folk they are supposed to represent!
Maybe, wearing kitten heels as well? ;-)
As you once said, "I rarely believe or give much credence to biographical details people on Internet forums give to support or justify their stances and political opinions as they are more often than not very contrived and amazingly convient."
Funny how we're supposed to take your word that you are - conveniently - a fully engaged member of the Labour Party.
Not doubting that you are. Merely highlighting your double standards.
Another problem for Corbyn:-
"Seema Malhotra has written to the speaker to complain of a "breach of parliamentary privilege" along with "aggressive and intimidating" behaviour from Mr Corbyn's office manager Karie Murphy.
It appears that Ms Murphy tried to use a key card to gain access to the room on 15 July, while Ms Malhotra was in her constituency."
http://news.sky.com/story/corbyn-aide-accused-of-breaching-mps-privacy-10510947
Biggest problem is Corbyn's faffing around and not saying anything substantial other than the same. He needs to take control but he can't unfortunately Momentum has taken control of him.
Indeed it is quite different, Corbyn isn't the Labour Party, Momentum isn't the Labour Party, the Socialist Worker isn't the Labour Party.
And they seem not to care of the damage they do to Labour (and help to the Conservative Party) that their actions generate?
It's not Labour's historical ideology that such people support.
To them Labour supports the liberal establishment, the EU and the rich.
Well that's interesting because in the last two bye elections both held this month they held on to the seats they were contesting, some with gains some with small loses. The Daily Fascist is going to be extremely upset if Corbyn goes as a result of the smears and the Labour party get behind the new leader and become stronger. What are they going to do then? Seems to me it would be in their best interests to leave him alone.
I really don't care who you vote for and I certainly don't want to do anything about it
Shitting themselves about 500,000 people? I really doubt it. You don't win an election by preaching to the converted.
It's exploitation of peoples fears (fear of the Tories with a 100seat majority).
Remember how little effort was expended on explaining what was so good about the EU? It was all about what will happen if the UK leaves.
Coming soon, Jeremy Corbyn will eat your brain...
No, this is quite different and it does feel like a lynch mob mentality is trying to get at Hilda, just because she criticises Cirbyn, remind you of anyone?!
In the other thread, a poster volunteered that he was a lawyer, purely to make his point; on this thread, Hilda was being challenged to declare her membership or otherwise, only then to be mocked by you because it is impossible to prove on a forum . It's classic witch-hunt tactic - damned if you do and damned if up you don't.