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    Phil 2804Phil 2804 Posts: 21,846
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    BomoLad wrote: »

    The wider country will just be confused at attacking this fictional president they've made up for themselves. Obama is in the same position as Clinton was in 96. Just do..nothing. He'll win.

    Essentially this is the truth. Its very unusual in US Politics for a president not to win a second term, they really really have to have royally f***ed up or appear so out of touch as to alienate the voters- Bush Snr.

    Obama may not be Mr Popular but he really isn't in the royal f*** up or the out of touch category (no matter how much the Republicans like to think he has and is). Therefore to vote him out of office moderates will have to genuinely think that the Republican candidate will do a better job and really, honestly, you'd have to be a total loony to think that at this time. The Republicans cannot even agree on a coherent basic ideological platform, let alone a detailed manifesto for the most powerful office in the Country.
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    Thomas007Thomas007 Posts: 14,309
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    The Republicans will get in by 2016. Their potential field looks stronger then with Marco Rubio, Bobby Jindal, Chris Christie, Scott Brown, John Thune etc.

    I fear the democrats will go down the same way as Labour after Tony Blair. Obama in many ways is their Tony Blair, master of style, speeches, likeability, family man, characteristics which seems to be more important than substance.

    But they don't have anybody after in 4 years from now to replace his charisma, they've suggested Elizabeth Warren but she can't even beat to Scott Brown in Massachussetts right now. The democrats look like they're going to have bunch of old boring white candidates after Obama, a bit like the Republicans now.
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    martyn20martyn20 Posts: 5,597
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    Thomas007 wrote: »
    The Republicans will get in by 2016. Their potential field looks stronger then with Marco Rubio, Bobby Jindal, Chris Christie, Scott Brown, John Thune etc.

    I fear the democrats will go down the same way as Labour after Tony Blair. Obama in many ways is their Tony Blair, master of style, speeches, likeability, family man, characteristics which seems to be more important than substance.

    But they don't have anybody after in 4 years from now to replace this, they've suggested Elizabeth Warren but she can't even beat to Scott Brown in Massachussetts right now. The democrats look like they're going to have bunch of old boring white candidates after Obama, a bit like the Republicans now.

    If Obama wins the second term Hillary will stand down, take a couple of years of quiet time and then get ready to take over in 2016, this social policy fight the Republicans are trying could keep them out of the White House for a decade.
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    crazychris12crazychris12 Posts: 26,254
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    Thomas007 wrote: »

    But they don't have anybody after in 4 years from now to replace his charisma, they've suggested Elizabeth Warren but she can't even beat to Scott Brown in Massachussetts right now. The democrats look like they're going to have bunch of old boring white candidates after Obama, a bit like the Republicans now.

    Erm, haven't you forgotten a certain lady by the name of Hillary? She'll be elected POTUS in 2016. MARK MY WORDS.
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    crazychris12crazychris12 Posts: 26,254
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    Posted at same time as Martyn!
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    Thomas007Thomas007 Posts: 14,309
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    martyn20 wrote: »
    If Obama wins the second term Hillary will stand down, take a couple of years of quiet time and then get ready to take over in 2016, this social policy fight the Republicans are trying could keep them out of the White House for a decade.

    But it wont, they won the back house and reduced the senate majority in 2010 didn't they? What the GOP have struggled with is a leader.

    I like the Clintons, I prefered Hilary to Obama in 2008 and still do, but the Clintons have been around for a long time, over 20 years and I think people will just get sick and tired of them. It's part of the reason why Obama beat her, replacing the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton cyclse. She'll nearly be 70 by then as well. I just don't see it.
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    martyn20martyn20 Posts: 5,597
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    Thomas007 wrote: »
    But it wont, they won the back house and reduced the senate majority in 2010 didn't they? What the GOP have struggled with is a leader.

    I like the Clintons, I prefered Hilary to Obama in 2008 and still do, but the Clintons have been around for a long time, over 20 years and I think people will just get sick and tired of them. It's part of the reason why Obama beat her, replacing the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton cyclse. She'll nearly be 70 by then as well. I just don't see it.

    The Republicans won big in 2010 in the House and across the country, but the moment they were in office they took a giant step to the right, their attack on abortion rights and now womens contraceptives, Union rights are turning people off. They do have an idiot as a leader but it's bigger than that.
    Hillary has massive support within the Democratic party and outside it.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 172
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    Current national average gas prices are 3.75 from http://www.californiagasprices.com/

    even if we are at peak oil (it looks like we might be) the pressure on supply is not going to change gas prices that much by November, 4 years down the line things are going to be a lot more about energy and a lot less about god.

    If Iran gets bombed, all bets are off on gasoline prices of course.
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    Drunken ScouserDrunken Scouser Posts: 2,645
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    martyn20 wrote: »
    By the way I doubt anyone in the UK really wants a Republican victory

    That's true. Even the Tories now support the Democrats. The Tories and Republicans were once natural allies, but the Republicans have gone completely off the deep end.
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    martyn20martyn20 Posts: 5,597
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    That's true. Even the Tories now support the Democrats. The Tories and Republicans were once natural allies, but the Republicans have gone completely off the deep end.

    I am a UK Tory and used to be a Republican supporter but their shift has been amazing and frightening. Right Wing means something totally different across the pond.
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    martyn20martyn20 Posts: 5,597
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    I would just add that following more and more US politics is making me far more Liberal, totally turning me away from the right
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    rusty123rusty123 Posts: 22,872
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    Romney can beat Obama.

    IMO that's a bit like saying

    Cheltenham can beat Man Utd.

    Possible, but unlikely.
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    MARTYM8MARTYM8 Posts: 44,710
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    Dave Hawk wrote: »
    So, in effect, Rasmussen's daily tracking presidential poll, shows an 11-point swing from Obama (-5) to Romney (+6) in as little as four days

    Obama was ahead of Romney by 6 (49-43) on Wednesday yet now trails by 5 (43-48) ???

    Its way to early to predict what may happen by the first Tuesday in November - nearly 8 months away.

    Who in March 2008 could have predicted the collapse of Lehman Brothers - an event that basically transferred a very close race between McCain and Obama into an easy win for the latter.

    Whoever Americans pick please let it not be Mr Slick Mitt Romney - so fake he even has to pretend to be a southerner now. The thought of seeing him on my telly regularly for the next five years is too much!:D
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    Drunken ScouserDrunken Scouser Posts: 2,645
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    martyn20 wrote: »
    I am a UK Tory and used to be a Republican supporter but their shift has been amazing and frightening. Right Wing means something totally different across the pond.

    That a surprise to me, as based on the posts of yours I've read I wouldn't have had you down as a Tory, but I s'pose that says it all really. Conservatives in Britain and America are now pretty far apart. As a whole, the Tories have moved to the free market right, but when compared to the Republicans they look like socialists.

    Conservatism in Britain and America has always been quite different, as conservatism is a philosophy that seeks to defend the traditions of its society. American society has always been based largely on free enterprise and standing on ones' own feet, so it's not surprising that American conservatives are pretty fanatical about free markets. British tradition however is more complex. We do have a history of free enterprise, 'nation of shopkeepers' and all that, but we also have a tradition of community and paternalism.

    This is what leaves me confused about why British conservatism has taken such a decisive shift towards laissez-faire since 1980, since doing so jettisons some ancient British traditions. After all, the NHS and the BBC are about as quintessentially British as institutions come, yet many Tories cannot wait to sell them off. Perhaps notions of what is 'traditional Britain' have changed fundamentally?
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    MajlisMajlis Posts: 31,362
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    doom&gloom wrote: »
    Cost me effing £1.38 a litre today.

    Cost me 25p :D
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    PlatinumStevePlatinumSteve Posts: 4,295
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    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

    It appears gas prices in the U.S. will likely go to 10 american dollars a gallon right before the election. I know people in the UK simply don't want to see anyone from the right wing get elected in America, but I think Obama will be out.

    Regardless of whether or not Romeny can beat Obama, if a gas price shock like that happened, we'd have much more to worry about than an election. Think martial law.
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    The WulfrunianThe Wulfrunian Posts: 1,312
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    Romney can win for the same reason that Bush got a second term. There are a huge number of stupid Americans:

    http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushdumbpeople.htm
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 832
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    Obama only cares about Romney, not doing his job obviously..

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/60921.html


    Even though years have passed since the law was approved, the majority of people in the United States are still strongly against ObamaCare. People now know what is in this bill, and they do not like what they see. Many doctors who own private practices are getting out of the business because they can't make as much money anymore. The new healthcare laws are having an extremely negative effect on employers' hiring, as they are still trying to make sense of all of the new fees they will face as the new laws go into effect over the next couple years.


    Senior citizens are worried they aren't going to be able to get the healthcare that they need when they get sick, as ObamaCare seems destined to drive many doctors out of medicine and into other careers.


    Part of the reason that Romney is strong is because it appears he is going to get a large percentage of the independent vote this year. Independents can swing the vote either direction as they are the people that Romney and Obama will cater to in order to get their votes in 2012. Most polling data already suggests that independents don't like Obama today, and that bodes well for Romney's chances of beating Obama in 2012.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 9,152
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    Romney makes Cameron look like a saint and he's suppose to be the least right wing of the Republicans running.

    Romney is against Gay Marriage, god knows what he would do if he got in.
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    CharlotteswebCharlottesweb Posts: 18,680
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    Romney makes Cameron look like a saint and he's suppose to be the least right wing of the Republicans running.

    Romney is against Gay Marriage, god knows what he would do if he got in.


    Neither does Romney, hes flipped on pretty much every single subject known to man, often more than once.

    He says what the people in front of him want to hear, even if it contradicts what he said the day before.


    Romney couldnt beat an egg never mind Obama.
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    mRebelmRebel Posts: 24,882
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    MARTYM8 wrote: »
    Its way to early to predict what may happen by the first Tuesday in November - nearly 8 months away.

    !:D

    It is, but remember Clinton's phrase, 'It's the economy, stupid'? Well the US economy is now picking up, and unless it goes into reverse this year I expect Obama to win, whoever his opponent is.
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    marjanglesmarjangles Posts: 9,699
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    carlkyle wrote: »
    Obama only cares about Romney, not doing his job obviously..

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/60921.html


    Even though years have passed since the law was approved, the majority of people in the United States are still strongly against ObamaCare. People now know what is in this bill, and they do not like what they see. Many doctors who own private practices are getting out of the business because they can't make as much money anymore. The new healthcare laws are having an extremely negative effect on employers' hiring, as they are still trying to make sense of all of the new fees they will face as the new laws go into effect over the next couple years.


    Senior citizens are worried they aren't going to be able to get the healthcare that they need when they get sick, as ObamaCare seems destined to drive many doctors out of medicine and into other careers.


    Part of the reason that Romney is strong is because it appears he is going to get a large percentage of the independent vote this year. Independents can swing the vote either direction as they are the people that Romney and Obama will cater to in order to get their votes in 2012. Most polling data already suggests that independents don't like Obama today, and that bodes well for Romney's chances of beating Obama in 2012.

    Actually opinion polls have shown Romney losing ground with independents. And don't forget Romney can't really go after Obama on healthcare because when he was governor of Massachusetts he actually introduced a healthcare programme which was extremely similar to the one Obama instroduced but which actually went even further. He'll have a hard time explaining why he was in favour of a health care system in Massachusetts that he's now against in the US as a whole.
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    Thomas007Thomas007 Posts: 14,309
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    Romney makes Cameron look like a saint and he's suppose to be the least right wing of the Republicans running.

    Romney is against Gay Marriage, god knows what he would do if he got in.

    So is Obama.
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    bluesdiamondbluesdiamond Posts: 11,362
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    martyn20 wrote: »
    By the way I doubt anyone in the UK really wants a Republican victory

    I would love to see a Mormon in the hot seat!
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    martyn20martyn20 Posts: 5,597
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    Thomas007 wrote: »
    So is Obama.

    Obama is very close to coming out in favour of Gay Marriage, it's what he wants to do but some in his administration worry about the backlash it could cause.
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