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Jimmy Saville to be revealed as a paedophile? (Part 5)

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    sozzled2daysozzled2day Posts: 1,217
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    Entwistle's resignation ends a long association with the corporation that dates back to when he was just six-years-old, and perhaps a little more self-assured than in recent weeks. As a schoolboy he wrote a letter to the man then running the BBC, complaining that Tom and Jerry had been bumped off the schedule. However then, as now, he was confounded by others acting on his behalf.

    Hey. I remember Tom and Jerry being bumped off the schedule too and I was really peed off! I loved them!

    Just seen a load of reporters swarming on George and bombarding him with questions as he returned home . It's 11.30 at night. Can't they wait till morning to fire questions at him?
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    NosnikraplNosnikrapl Posts: 2,572
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    katetow wrote: »
    Still not even a hint that any abuser will be brought to justice

    The police have got hundreds of folks to interview & collating historial abuse is not an easy task. It was never going to be arrests within a few days. It needs doing properly. Surely folks can see that after the fiasco of the last few days.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 127
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    this completely stinks imagine our reputation abroad, undoing any negligable good the olympics and the jubilee did, what a waste of money- now watch them waste more,when the compo claims start coming in ....
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    IzzySIzzyS Posts: 11,045
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    Out of touch. Out of his depth. Out of a job: BBC Director General George Entwistle quits over 'shoddy journalism'
    Hours after his humiliation on Radio 4, Director General 'does the
    honourable thing' and steps down

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/tv-radio/out-of-touch-out-of-his-depth-out-of-a-job-bbc-director-general-george-entwistle-quits-over-shoddy-journalism-8303793.html

    "In a hawkish performance, Newsnight's own presenter Eddie Mair raised questions over the show's future on Friday evening, promising only that Newsnight would "probably" be back on Monday.
    During Friday's show, which was dedicated to apologising for the Lord McAlpine debacle, Mair asked guests whether the programme was "toast". He also mocked the corporation for not putting anyone up to answer his questions. "Obviously we wanted to ask questions of the BBC, but no one was available for interview," he said. "Trust in the BBC is in the toilet."

    You know somethings wrong when their own employees start mocking it live on air, surely? gah. What must team morale be like? and Children In Need is this coming Friday? hopefully that'll pass without any extra scandals coming to light - the charities could use the donations (esp. abuse related charities at the moment) no doubt.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 3,414
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    Chris Bryant‏ @ChrisBryantMP
    Did anyone resign when Chris Jeffries was accused of being a murderer by half the national press?

    The media have been so paranoid over Levison and worried what he will suggest.In the spate of just 6 weeks they have almost imploded.

    I saw the dramatic change when it was stated to the media via sources expect more highprofile arrests.The Newsnight had enough of a story to ask why certain people were not allowed to be mentioned at the first inquiry.

    Its also very telling theres no denials coming from anyone at the suggestion newsnight trying to show people it could still produce headline grabbing stories (even though the JS one was pulled).
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    Kat1966Kat1966 Posts: 2,553
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    The Sun practises impeccable balanced journalism
    http://twitpic.com/bc4gdh


    Murdoch never resigned, did he?

    What can you expect from the Sun?? I'm just amazed they could spell paedo correctly!

    Can I add my gratitude for the links you provide, they have been really informative (I am a long term reader from part 1 and an occasional poster)
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    Nosnikrapl wrote: »
    The police have got hundreds of folks to interview & collating historial abuse is not an easy task. It was never going to be arrests within a few days. It needs doing properly. Surely folks can see that after the fiasco of the last few days.

    To be honest thats why I started the thread about the Stunt on This morning.this was always going to be a very long drawnout process and the more people getting interviewed via TV they clearly needed to be with the police and police only.

    I think the police have been disgusting in this.they saw weeks ago the media were going to wreck any chance of charges sticking and have allowed this almost blood lust for the next JS to carry on.There was one tiny warning about the risk of a fair trial should charges be brought and nothing after that.
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    taratia123 wrote: »
    BBC get rid of programme that never showed the saville doc.

    Government distract the public about their links to saville.

    Bad press people and social media users.

    Yup I think i agree.

    So lets remember -

    Saville worked with BBC for 40 odd years.
    Saville very friendly with politicians
    savile very friendly with royalty
    savile very friendly with police forces all over
    saville well connected with childrens homes
    saville well connected with hospitals

    saville abused children

    Keep reminding us. I swear there is so much dissembling going on here, that it is a distinct possibility this thread will have to be renamed "in praise of".
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    Nosnikrapl wrote: »
    The police have got hundreds of folks to interview & collating historial abuse is not an easy task. It was never going to be arrests within a few days. It needs doing properly. Surely folks can see that after the fiasco of the last few days.

    Yes I'm not stupid. So far we have a dead person who can never be brought to justice, a couple of easy targets interviewed, a person named & then exonerated, an investigative piece of journalism completely letting down a victim, and now the resignation of a BBC employee who really has nothing to do with the abuse. Add to that the fact that all the Internet & media speculation means that there is a possibility of a cry of the impossibility of a fair trial and where does it leave the victims?

    Weren't the victims what all this was meant to be about?
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    Nosnikrapl wrote: »
    The police have got hundreds of folks to interview & collating historial abuse is not an easy task. It was never going to be arrests within a few days. It needs doing properly. Surely folks can see that after the fiasco of the last few days.

    given that presumably the police fed missinformation to welsh carehome victims regarding abusers identity do we trust them to do this job of investigating fully or are there even more layers to this sticking quagmire?
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    Jeremy Paxman statement via his agent

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    Statement from Jeremy Paxman - "George Entwistle’s departure is a great shame. He has been brought low by cowards and incompetents.
    The real problem here is the BBC’s decision, in the wake of the Hutton Inquiry, to play safe by appointing biddable people.
    They then compounded the problem by enforcing a series of cuts on programme budgets, while bloating the management.
    that is how you arrive at the current mess on Newsnight. I very much doubt the problem is unique to that programme.
    I had hoped that George might stay to sort this out.It is a great pity that a talented man has been sacrificed while time-servers prosper. I shall not be issuing any further statements or doing any interviews." ENDS

    IMO Paxman is spot on regarding the root of the problem at the BBC.
    That said, Paxman's opinion on Entwistle is based on working with him when Entwistle was the editor on Newsnight. I'm sure he's a talented man and he could have been a great DG in different circumstances, but he let himself down with his dithering and hesitant appearances in the media. I think someone like Mark Thompson would have managed to hold on to his position in this situation.
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    Theo_BearTheo_Bear Posts: 997
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    Hey. I remember Tom and Jerry being bumped off the schedule too and I was really peed off! I loved them!

    Just seen a load of reporters swarming on George and bombarding him with questions as he returned home . It's 11.30 at night. Can't they wait till morning to fire questions at him?

    They want to see him being chased up the road by the broom wielding big black momma shouting, "Now you catch that paedo, you hear!" :D
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    moonburn wrote: »
    To be honest thats why I started the thread about the Stunt on This morning.this was always going to be a very long drawnout process and the more people getting interviewed via TV they clearly needed to be with the police and police only.

    I think the police have been disgusting in this.they saw weeks ago the media were going to wreck any chance of charges sticking and have allowed this almost blood lust for the next JS to carry on.There was one tiny warning about the risk of a fair trial should charges be brought and nothing after that.

    Where has that thread been moved to moon burn?
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    Theo_BearTheo_Bear Posts: 997
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    katetow wrote: »
    Yes I'm not stupid. So far we have a dead person who can never be brought to justice, a couple of easy targets interviewed, a person named & then exonerated, an investigative piece of journalism completely letting down a victim, and now the resignation of a BBC employee who really has nothing to do with the abuse. Add to that the fact that all the Internet & media speculation means that there is a possibility of a cry of the impossibility of a fair trial and where does it leave the victims?

    Weren't the victims what all this was meant to be about?

    The lesson here is that when you start going after the establishment, you will get nowhere. It will always seek to rubbish the victims, and paint itself as the damaged party. It always succeeds because it has the power to do so. People will be threatened, people will be framed and jailed, people will be murdered. The truth is never uncovered.

    There's little you can do when the Police are in the pockets of the paedophile rings which control everything.
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    Nosnikrapl wrote: »
    The media is creating nothing. He appeared in front of Media Select Committee & somehow managed to make James Murdoch look good in comparison. An achievement I never thought possible. Then today John Humphries a BBC employee took him apart. It seems it is actually this performance that was the final nail in the coffin.

    Performance? Well that just says it all. Performance indeed. As if how it looks is all that counts. :rolleyes:

    He may be a lousy DG (although who knows since he really never had much of a chance to get to grips with the job) but writing him off as a blundering fool when he has years of solid professionalism behind him is just pathetic. But hey ho, let the media have their day and use him as a punchbag and for laughs and to point score and yet again distract from the main issue. His colleagues' defence of him and their dismay at the way he's been treated is far more meaningful than anything the sneering media have to say about him.
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    katetow wrote: »
    Where has that thread been moved to moon burn?

    Into here :(

    http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1748090&page=26
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    They've got Ester Ransid on BBC 5 live as we speak .

    She's going on about the Saville scandal and the cover-up !!

    Didn't she know about him for years and did nothing !?

    She's just an attention seeker , nothing more in my view .
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    Kat1966 wrote: »
    What can you expect from the Sun?? I'm just amazed they could spell paedo correctly!

    Can I add my gratitude for the links you provide, they have been really informative (I am a long term reader from part 1 and an occasional poster)

    God I despise that word. Did the Sun invent it to keep their headlines short?
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    IzzyS wrote: »
    Ah ok, I wasn't aware of that. I always thought (or presumed?) the BBC World Service was very highly regarded overseas, though maybe thats mainly by ex-pats? its surely well known - when I've travelled abroad with my family, one thing we always do is try to tune in to BBC World Service.

    I'd say it still is. But increasingly, people on the right go on about it being "liberal" (=left) and "politically correct" and socialist and feminist and such-like nasty things (all of which are fine by me). But of course the BBC is not like that.

    Good statement by Paxman.
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    hydon wrote: »
    Apparently, the noble one likes, a "little" erotica. http://the-tap.blogspot.co.uk/

    So he does

    http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/bloomsbury-2003-private-collection-95579153

    Not that it means much.

    Graham Ovenden is the only artist on the list who might be deemed 'controversial'
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    sozzled2daysozzled2day Posts: 1,217
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    given that presumably the police fed missinformation to welsh carehome victims regarding abusers identity do we trust them to do this job of investigating fully or are there even more layers to this sticking quagmire?
    Not if north Wales police investigate, no. Wouldn't want them destroying any more evidence. I'd like to know how many from the Bryn Estyn era are still serving on that force.
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    saralundsaralund Posts: 3,379
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    hydon wrote: »
    Apparently, the noble one likes, a "little" erotica. http://the-tap.blogspot.co.uk/

    The missing wiki text comes up as a Google stump:
    14 May 1942 in London), often known as Alistair McAlpine, is a Scottish retired .... "10 snaps of very young girls in very suggestive poses by Graham Ovenden".
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    Breaking News

    Conservative MP Philip Davies, who sits on the culture select committee, calls for Lord Patten, the chairman of the BBC Trust, to resign.
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    clemmati wrote: »
    I'd say it still is. But increasingly, people on the right go on about it being "liberal" (=left) and "politically correct" and socialist and feminist and such-like nasty things (all of which are fine by me). But of course the BBC is not like that.

    Good statement by Paxman.

    On your first point, I know many 'lefties' who think that BBC now has a right-wing bias. Go figure...
    BIB: Yes I thought it was excellent. He said it how he saw it, and I bet he didn't consult the BBC press office before putting it out.
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