Can't see this at all. If the producers don't want them there they could easily throw them out. They have plenty of ammunition to do so if they wanted i.e. not taking part in tasks which is fundamental to the show.
All of which would make them look stupid for booking them in the first place.
They have them by the short and curlies and they hate it. You can see the vindictiveness in the lank haired, fat faced blokes eyes on BOTS, whenever he talks about them
Like someone else has pointed out, how would you feel if you knew the whole house was against you?
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they have eachother, they have everyone against them by their own actions, it was their choice to be hated, it was deliberate, calculated, and they obviously couldnt give a flying fornification.
They have aleady won. They are reality stars in the mode of Katie Price. The public are interested in them, they are the most talked about housemaets so they have got what they wanted from the show – a paypacket, perhaps another market to sell rubbish gossip pieces to and future producers knowledge that they can bring in an audience when cast in a reality show.
What have they won?
They have showed themselves to be nasty people thats all, and reality stars.....well i for one had never heard of them before they went into the house, as i suspect many brits hadnt either.
I have read on the net that they are skint and desperate for money though.
Yes, but they 'facilitated' the house being 'against' them, by refusing to go to speak to any of the other HMs in the main house, in the first few days, and by remaining in bed in the basement. As they keep repeating, 'it's only a game show' so why be sooo childish and peeved at Frankie and Rylan doing what they were asked to do by BB - to complete strangers on the first night. It was not a personal decision, by R and F, based upon the people's personalities who were chosen to go to the basement. They brought this 'dislike' totally upon themselves, if they'd mixed in initially, spoke to the others, it would all have been totally averted. They definitely have a 'joint' persecution complex and then perpetuate it through their own behaviour and what they themselves pre-assume/believe of others reaction to them.
You won't get any argument from me about them not being nice people.
My point has been that BB knew this and have contrived situations/tasks/events ..whatever... to bring out the worst in them, and it's worked.
They griped about the basement right from the start - no-one else did. They held a grudge - no-one else did.
Their behaviour throughout has been obnoxious. If they feel so disliked, shouldn't they be looking at themselves and asking why? BB has been manipulative, but S&H haven't helped themselves.
I did quite like them, and gave them the benefit of the doubt, but they showed themselves up for what they are. They're vindictive, they're arrogant. They go on about the game but they haven't been prepared to play it themselves.
I thought Claire was doing a good job of pushing back her emotions til everyone else got worked up about it, tbh. Speidi were indulged when BB thought they were coming over all litigious. And then exposed for what they are - which is not very pretty - for the purposes of the show. And it has made great viewing. If they are such masters of the reality genre as they constantly claim, then they would have known this before they signed on the dotted line, of course. So I feel zero pity for them.
If BB has 'played' them then they are constantly boasting to be experts in reality TV, so where is the problem with them being played?
If BB has 'played' them then they are constantly boasting to be experts in reality TV, so where is the problem with them being played?
There isn't any problem with them being played imo. They've been paid a large amount of money to turn up and be the pantomime villains in the CBB soap opera.
My guess is they will be the highest paid of all the HMs. They're not here to win the show, just to collect a large cheque ........ job done, happy days!
Just like Ryan's there to collect his cheque, do a bit of Neighbours marketing, protect his good-guy reputation, shoot a handful of scenes and get back to real life as quickly as possible.
They have aleady won. They are reality stars in the mode of Katie Price. The public are interested in them, they are the most talked about housemaets so they have got what they wanted from the show – a paypacket, perhaps another market to sell rubbish gossip pieces to and future producers knowledge that they can bring in an audience when cast in a reality show.
I've stated that I'm a Rylan fan and that I'd like him to win. However, if any other the others win, it won't ruin my life, I only watch CBB, I have never voted and don't plan on it.
(Please don't respond with "Rylan doesn't deserve to win, he left the house etc"....I've already read the countless posts about it and am aware of how some people feel about this).
I personally feel that Speidi have been both indulged and abused by BB during this series.
I think that any other HM's that refused to take part in as many tasks as they have would have been evicted, surely it's part and parcel of being in there and justifies the large amount of money I'm assuming they are being paid.
But setting them up on that blog task was cruel. BB set them up to say horrendous things about the other HM's, ignorant of the fact that the others were watching it.
I'm sure they would have assumed that no-one else in the house would see it until the show was over and they were winging their way across the atlantic.
You could by the look on Heidi's face when BB announced what had happened that she knew what was coming and I think she looked worried about her and Spencer's actions becoming public knowledge.
Of course, there is always the other theory, that they knew, or had a good idea and all the nastiness was deliberate to wind up the others.
As for vilifying them for Claire not getting her letter from home, again I agree with Speidi, if you're going to get that upset over a letter from your family not being read, when you're going to be seeing them within the next few days, is quite pathetic.
All this furious rage from other HM's (Rylan, Tricia and Razor in particular) is hilarious. It's also made very good viewing for us all.
At the end of the day, Spencer has been correct when he points out that they don't want to be friends with anyone outside of the house, it's only a game and that they are playing the game.
I think they've played a brilliant game and, win or lose, they have made this series quite watchable.
Excellent post. Apart from the fact that I can't abide Rylan, I agree with every other word.
Great post, it's nice to read such a common sense perspective.
I agree with your first BIB, which gives ammunition for both likers and dislikers to seize on to feed their chosen bias.
I agree totally with what you say about Claire, and personally found that whole episode absolutely hilarious.
But I disagree with you about a brilliant game. They've played the game in a way which gives them no chance of winning. They've given me great entertainment and added hugely to my enjoyment of CBB11 ..... so I'd say they've played the entertainment show brilliantly, but the gameshow less so. I doubt they care frankly. They've been well paid to do the former ..... and have delivered.
Like someone else has pointed out, how would you feel if you knew the whole house was against you?
Yes, but they 'facilitated' the house being 'against' them, by refusing to go to speak to any of the other HMs in the main house, in the first few days, and by remaining in bed in the basement. As they keep repeating, 'it's only a game show' so why be sooo childish and peeved at Frankie and Rylan doing what they were asked to do by BB - to complete strangers on the first night. It was not a personal decision, by R and F, based upon the people's personalities who were chosen to go to the basement. They brought this 'dislike' totally upon themselves, if they'd mixed in initially, spoke to the others, it would all have been totally averted. They definitely have a 'joint' persecution complex and then perpetuate it through their own behaviour and what they themselves pre-assume/believe of others reaction to them.
Yet again, I feel I have to take up the bit in bold. Frankie and Rylan could have gone in the basement themselves. No-one 'made' them send Speidi down there. They had to pick one of each other pair - no fault decisions. However, the Speidi decision was COMPLETELY different and set up by BB to create the exact division that it created. Of course Speidi reacted differently - that was a completely justifiable differentiation.
they have eachother, they have everyone against them by their own actions, it was their choice to be hated, it was deliberate, calculated, and they obviously couldnt give a flying fornification.
vile.
They are two deluded and pampered individuals with not very nice personalities.
Despite their protestations that they knew it was a set up, I believe that they didn't. You could tell from Heidi's face that it wasn't but, and I have made a previous post in another topic on this point, Speidi has a need to work everything that happens into their 'it is all part of the plan' routine that claims to have been in complete control of everything from the start. This reinforces the well known control issues that they both have (soap, toothbrushes etc).
But despite Speidi claiming that they are very experienced reality stars and that they know how this all works and that they are players etc., they were unable to tell the simple and blindingly obvious thing that lots of the DS forum were predicting - that BB would turn the tables on their basement task and show the rest of the house what they were saying behind everyones back.
They were well aware that the interview could be a set up which is why they went to the effort of being so unmitigatingly horrid about the rest of the HMs. The only thing that threw them off balance was the rest of the HMs ability to keep stchum about seeing it, but Speidi were always aware it would be shown to the house.
I've stated that I'm a Rylan fan and that I'd like him to win. However, if any other the others win, it won't ruin my life, I only watch CBB, I have never voted and don't plan on it.
(Please don't respond with "Rylan doesn't deserve to win, he left the house etc"....I've already read the countless posts about it and am aware of how some people feel about this).
I personally feel that Speidi have been both indulged and abused by BB during this series.
I think that any other HM's that refused to take part in as many tasks as they have would have been evicted, surely it's part and parcel of being in there and justifies the large amount of money I'm assuming they are being paid.
But setting them up on that blog task was cruel. BB set them up to say horrendous things about the other HM's, ignorant of the fact that the others were watching it.
I'm sure they would have assumed that no-one else in the house would see it until the show was over and they were winging their way across the atlantic.
You could by the look on Heidi's face when BB announced what had happened that she knew what was coming and I think she looked worried about her and Spencer's actions becoming public knowledge.
Of course, there is always the other theory, that they knew, or had a good idea and all the nastiness was deliberate to wind up the others.
As for vilifying them for Claire not getting her letter from home, again I agree with Speidi, if you're going to get that upset over a letter from your family not being read, when you're going to be seeing them within the next few days, is quite pathetic.
All this furious rage from other HM's (Rylan, Tricia and Razor in particular) is hilarious. It's also made very good viewing for us all.
At the end of the day, Spencer has been correct when he points out that they don't want to be friends with anyone outside of the house, it's only a game and that they are playing the game.
I think they've played a brilliant game and, win or lose, they have made this series quite watchable.
but they are not "playing the game" if they refuse to play the games, yes it was underhand for BB to let other HM see what they said but out of all those HMs they didnt have a good word for any of them - dont you find that a little weird
You may be right, but I do think Heidi, on the odd occasion, looks a bit annoyed at how things have panned out.
Spencer, however, looks like a lunatic all the time.
Yes I thought Heidi looked pretty uncomfortable when she realised the truth about Big Blogger. Spencer, however, had that ever present sneer on his face.
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All of which would make them look stupid for booking them in the first place.
They have them by the short and curlies and they hate it. You can see the vindictiveness in the lank haired, fat faced blokes eyes on BOTS, whenever he talks about them
Rylan was escorted by the producer, so how is that having contact with the outside world?
they have eachother, they have everyone against them by their own actions, it was their choice to be hated, it was deliberate, calculated, and they obviously couldnt give a flying fornification.
vile.
What have they won?
They have showed themselves to be nasty people thats all, and reality stars.....well i for one had never heard of them before they went into the house, as i suspect many brits hadnt either.
I have read on the net that they are skint and desperate for money though.
You won't get any argument from me about them not being nice people.
My point has been that BB knew this and have contrived situations/tasks/events ..whatever... to bring out the worst in them, and it's worked.
Their behaviour throughout has been obnoxious. If they feel so disliked, shouldn't they be looking at themselves and asking why? BB has been manipulative, but S&H haven't helped themselves.
I did quite like them, and gave them the benefit of the doubt, but they showed themselves up for what they are. They're vindictive, they're arrogant. They go on about the game but they haven't been prepared to play it themselves.
Well he managed to ask people for the time without the producer knowing about it, what else did he find out?
If BB has 'played' them then they are constantly boasting to be experts in reality TV, so where is the problem with them being played?
That was probably because they weren't chosen to go down to the basement instead of another housemate, unlike the others.
There isn't any problem with them being played imo. They've been paid a large amount of money to turn up and be the pantomime villains in the CBB soap opera.
My guess is they will be the highest paid of all the HMs. They're not here to win the show, just to collect a large cheque ........ job done, happy days!
Just like Ryan's there to collect his cheque, do a bit of Neighbours marketing, protect his good-guy reputation, shoot a handful of scenes and get back to real life as quickly as possible.
Spot on.
Excellent post. Apart from the fact that I can't abide Rylan, I agree with every other word.
Completely agree.
They are two deluded and pampered individuals with not very nice personalities.
Big Brother has exploited this.
dont agree.
bb hasnt exploited it, again they have only created the environment, speidi themselves did the rest...
bb gave a fool enough rope...
But they created specific parts of the environment for Speidi specifically.
That's manipulation/rope (however you want to describe it).
maybe, but isnt being exploited part of the deal?...
they are horrible people either way!
The odd bit is, Speidi aren't complaining. They are just getting on and earning their money and winding up their paymasters at the same time. Result.
You may be right, but I do think Heidi, on the odd occasion, looks a bit annoyed at how things have panned out.
Spencer, however, looks like a lunatic all the time.
Hope he gets cast in a remake of "The Shining" after this. He deserves it.;)
LOL..seriously though, he does come across as slightly unhinged.
I totally agree but in a good way. At every turn he has a look of, I know what is coming next and don't give a stuff.
They were well aware that the interview could be a set up which is why they went to the effort of being so unmitigatingly horrid about the rest of the HMs. The only thing that threw them off balance was the rest of the HMs ability to keep stchum about seeing it, but Speidi were always aware it would be shown to the house.
I actually find him and Heidi quite intriguing. One day their little Speidi bubble will burst though, alas
but they are not "playing the game" if they refuse to play the games, yes it was underhand for BB to let other HM see what they said but out of all those HMs they didnt have a good word for any of them - dont you find that a little weird
They are playing their own game, and doing it very well. They are, after all, "reality tv stars".
Yes I thought Heidi looked pretty uncomfortable when she realised the truth about Big Blogger. Spencer, however, had that ever present sneer on his face.