I cannot believe some of the things I'm reading in this thread.
I'm out.
You chose to start a thread, not withstanding there was already one on this subject, on a highly emotive subject then throw your toys out of the pram because not everyone shares your opinion.
It would have been easier to have posted your opinion in the other thread.
As someone with a great deal of experience in helping people cope (as you put it) - I would venture to suggest that feeling bitter 20 years on means she has not/is not coping and/or has not had the right help to do so.
Being continually asked to comment by the scumedia definitely is not helping her.
Would you be able to stand face to face with her and say that.?
Regarding Denise Fergus, I don't think anyone has the right to judge or criticize really, or to suggest what she should or shouldn't do - until they have walked a mile in her shoes - and, let's face it, who on earth will put their hand up in offer to do that..?
And I also think debate about the child killers, kept calm and reasonable is a good thing, it is something very worthy of discussion however, some decorum should be utilised today of all days - the 20th anniversary of the horrific death of a toddler.
She had a lot to cope with and no mistake, but what was she campaigning for? Both killers got full life tariffs, and the family seem now to be campaigning for Brady not to be allowed to die.
But the circumstances weren't that of an average murder case.
Okay fair enough. Let's all *try* and grasp the fact they were 10 years old when they committed this act that is inhumane. They were children themselves, I get it.
But now they are not, and one of them in particular has broken the law yet again (several times, right?) by downloading what is thought to have been hundreds of indecent images of children.
Like Denise said, her family do not know what Jon Venables (inparticular) looks like now so if he's under a new identity in Liverpool, he knows them but they do not know him. Surely given his mental state this is a dangerous thing alone?
Not "flouncing" at all. I just cannot understand how some people are making excuses (for a better word) against two cold blooded (and calculating) killers! Evil of the very most.
Regarding a post about how it would be a "sad day" if hanging 10 year old's was enforced. Of course I do not wish for that. Serving a life means life sentence would do.
Have you been a parent to a 10 year old?
How can you possibly say that they were cold blooded and calculating?
Not "flouncing" at all. I just cannot understand how some people are making excuses (for a better word) against two cold blooded (and calculating) killers! Evil of the very most.
Regarding a post about how it would be a "sad day" if hanging 10 year old's was enforced. Of course I do not wish for that. Serving a life means life sentence would do.
No one is making excuses for them at all. What they did was incomprehensible, but they were two very damaged and for want of a better word ****ed up young boys. There are plenty of articles online about their backgrounds, look them up. They were a product of their dysfunctional and abusive upbringings.
Would you be able to stand face to face with her and say that.?
Yes, yes and yes
My heart goes out to someone who lives with that much pain and YES I would say that to her and then hope to be able to help her minimise it so that she can live.
Okay fair enough. Let's all *try* and grasp the fact they were 10 years old when they committed this act that is inhumane. They were children themselves, I get it.
But now they are not, and one of them in particular has broken the law yet again (several times, right?) by downloading what is thought to have been hundreds of indecent images of children.
Like Denise said, her family do not know what Jon Venables (inparticular) looks like now so if he's under a new identity in Liverpool, he knows them but they do not know him. Surely given his mental state this is a dangerous thing alone?
He isn't out yet.
But even if he was released (which isn't cut and dried) he will very likely be banned from entering Liverpool, and will be under probably a much stricter probation and monitoring regime than previously. If he does go back to Liverpool I would think he'd be breaking his parole and will go back to jail, and quite rightly so.
And no one is making excuses. That accusation always gets used when someone really doesn't like other people disagreeing with them. Perhaps quote posts where someone is making excuses.
The judge named them AFTER they were found guilty, as they do with any child who has committed a serious crime.
Of course they don't. The Mary Bell order (an injunction preventing identification) was introduced for that exact purpose: to allow a child perpetrator to serve their sentence then start life anonymously afterwards.
Regarding Denise Fergus, I don't think anyone has the right to judge or criticize really, or to suggest what she should or shouldn't do - until they have walked a mile in her shoes - and, let's face it, who on earth will put their hand up in offer to do that..?
I think the thrust of those questioning Denise's actions is that she is hurting herself and her children, not that she is morally wrong. I am sure everyone feels extremely sorry for her. And it is surely the press who are being blamed for constantly inviting her to relive the events in order to sell papers, not Denise herself.
Have you been a parent to a 10 year old?
How can you possibly say that they were cold blooded and calculating?
Speaking instead,again,excuse me.
I've been 10 , I friends who are 10,have had kids of 10years of age nephews nieces of 10. I work in a school with 10 year olds.
What exactly are you trying to say by that?
Okay fair enough. Let's all *try* and grasp the fact they were 10 years old when they committed this act that is inhumane. They were children themselves, I get it.
But now they are not, and one of them in particular has broken the law yet again (several times, right?) by downloading what is thought to have been hundreds of indecent images of children.
Like Denise said, her family do not know what Jon Venables (inparticular) looks like now so if he's under a new identity in Liverpool, he knows them but they do not know him. Surely given his mental state this is a dangerous thing alone?
You are privy to his mental state then?
And as for him living in Liverpool - no chance on this earth!
No one is making excuses for them at all. What they did was incomprehensible, but they were two very damaged and for want of a better word ****ed up young boys. There are plenty of articles online about their backgrounds, look them up. They were a product of their dysfunctional and abusive upbringings.
There are plenty of damaged people in the world from one circumstance or another. Denise Fergus possibly now being one of them after the horrific ordeal she has suffered. Do any of these go out murdering people?
She had a lot to cope with and no mistake, but what was she campaigning for? Both killers got full life tariffs, and the family seem now to be campaigning for Brady not to be allowed to die.
Myra Hindley was always applying for parole....and dopey people like Lord Longford sided with her.
I remember Lesley's mum saying she would be waiting outside the prison if Hindley got released,...and I reckon she would have done.
I don't blame her either...I would still want revenge if that was my child.
Speaking instead,again,excuse me.
I've been 10 , I friends who are 10,have had kids of 10years of age nephews nieces of 10. I work in a school with 10 year olds.
What exactly are you trying to say by that?
That all 10 years at some point have murdered someone obviously :rolleyes:
Of course they don't. The Mary Bell order (an injunction preventing identification) was introduced for that exact purpose: to allow a child perpetrator to serve their sentence then start life anonymously afterwards.
I think the thrust of those questioning Denise's actions is that she is hurting herself and her children, not that she is morally wrong. I am sure everyone feels extremely sorry for her. And it is surely the press who are being blamed for constantly inviting her to relive the events in order to sell papers, not Denise herself.
Absolutely. It seems every time there is a child protection issue, or a major crime involving children, the papers run to her for a quote and an interview.
Speaking instead,again,excuse me.
I've been 10 , I friends who are 10,have had kids of 10years of age nephews nieces of 10. I work in a school with 10 year olds.
What exactly are you trying to say by that?
That a 10 year old is a child and if you can identify one that you know who is cold blooded and calculating, then I'd be amazed.
Oh and my post was a response to tracy and not yourself
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You chose to start a thread, not withstanding there was already one on this subject, on a highly emotive subject then throw your toys out of the pram because not everyone shares your opinion.
It would have been easier to have posted your opinion in the other thread.
Well to be fair you created a thread on a pretty controversial topic that many people have strong opinions about.
what did you expect, everyone just to say "Yes, I agree" ?.
If you do not like people disagreeing with an opinion you hold strongly then perhaps stick to threads about Tesco deliveries.
The judge named them AFTER they were found guilty, as they do with any child who has committed a serious crime.
But the circumstances weren't that of an average murder case.
Would you be able to stand face to face with her and say that.?
And I also think debate about the child killers, kept calm and reasonable is a good thing, it is something very worthy of discussion however, some decorum should be utilised today of all days - the 20th anniversary of the horrific death of a toddler.
She had a lot to cope with and no mistake, but what was she campaigning for? Both killers got full life tariffs, and the family seem now to be campaigning for Brady not to be allowed to die.
Okay fair enough. Let's all *try* and grasp the fact they were 10 years old when they committed this act that is inhumane. They were children themselves, I get it.
But now they are not, and one of them in particular has broken the law yet again (several times, right?) by downloading what is thought to have been hundreds of indecent images of children.
Like Denise said, her family do not know what Jon Venables (inparticular) looks like now so if he's under a new identity in Liverpool, he knows them but they do not know him. Surely given his mental state this is a dangerous thing alone?
Have you been a parent to a 10 year old?
How can you possibly say that they were cold blooded and calculating?
How were the circs different?
No one is making excuses for them at all. What they did was incomprehensible, but they were two very damaged and for want of a better word ****ed up young boys. There are plenty of articles online about their backgrounds, look them up. They were a product of their dysfunctional and abusive upbringings.
Yes, yes and yes
My heart goes out to someone who lives with that much pain and YES I would say that to her and then hope to be able to help her minimise it so that she can live.
I'm sorry but I have to say this. One of the very few posters who 'like to rile' is you.
I think you simply interpret people having a differing opinion as 'liking to rile'.
He isn't out yet.
But even if he was released (which isn't cut and dried) he will very likely be banned from entering Liverpool, and will be under probably a much stricter probation and monitoring regime than previously. If he does go back to Liverpool I would think he'd be breaking his parole and will go back to jail, and quite rightly so.
And no one is making excuses. That accusation always gets used when someone really doesn't like other people disagreeing with them. Perhaps quote posts where someone is making excuses.
Speaking instead,again,excuse me.
I've been 10 , I friends who are 10,have had kids of 10years of age nephews nieces of 10. I work in a school with 10 year olds.
What exactly are you trying to say by that?
You are privy to his mental state then?
And as for him living in Liverpool - no chance on this earth!
Because they thought out (even drew out) a plan to murder a child?
There are plenty of damaged people in the world from one circumstance or another. Denise Fergus possibly now being one of them after the horrific ordeal she has suffered. Do any of these go out murdering people?
Myra Hindley was always applying for parole....and dopey people like Lord Longford sided with her.
I remember Lesley's mum saying she would be waiting outside the prison if Hindley got released,...and I reckon she would have done.
I don't blame her either...I would still want revenge if that was my child.
That all 10 years at some point have murdered someone obviously :rolleyes:
Absolutely. It seems every time there is a child protection issue, or a major crime involving children, the papers run to her for a quote and an interview.
That a 10 year old is a child and if you can identify one that you know who is cold blooded and calculating, then I'd be amazed.
Oh and my post was a response to tracy and not yourself
Only cold blooded and calculating killers could have done what they did...and then go home for their tea.
Complete emotive rubbish.
Ok,if you say so
The irony is amusing though