there's so many angles they could take with this - the supernatural one is a really good theory and i'd love something like that. I think the way the show has been made is quite realistic so maybe that's not the route they'll go down but it would be an amazing curve ball.
I still think its some sort of child abuse ring, if we connect all the fishy characters you can certainly pair them up into something like that.
it still doesn't explain the relevance of the drugs though, altho that might just be a red herring. I think both Danny and tom's dads are involved somehow, and I think either Tom did it or was witness to it but there are so many involved that he's petrified to even be linked to it which explains all the deleting etc. altho when they inevitably go through his hard drive I'm sure more will unravel.
I'd also suggest that David tennants dodgy health will result in him getting thrown off the case but perhaps he will get to the bottom of it anyway, being the only outsider involved he's pretty much the only person ruthless enough to solve the case.
The problem with the paedo ring idea is that is where we are gently being led .. with four hours to go.
So it's not that. IMO.
I wonder if the show has a wider point to make, hence attracting this cast. It might, for example, have much more to say about media - as, in the real world, politicians continue to debate Leveson.
You can certainly see the media story arc has been carefully integrated from the very start and continues to emerge (local to national) as a major theme in the overall story.
We also have one 'hidden past' - the old boy, with Pauline Quirke's lined up. Then the baby bump will emerge - possibly involving a paternity story, the husbands affair, etc, etc.
So plenty of potentially 'meaty' - family and community destroying - tabloid stories have been sketched in ...
I think its Ellie's husband too. However If it is then ITV could hardly do another series which they might want to consider if this series is getting good viewers.
The problem with the paedo ring idea is that is where we are gently being led .. with four hours to go.
So it's not that. IMO.
I wonder if the show has a wider point to make, hence attracting this cast. It might, for example, have much more to say about media - as, in the real world, politicians continue to debate Leveson.
You can certainly see the media story arc has been carefully integrated from the very start and continues to emerge (local to national) as a major theme in the overall story.
I'd agree with that. It's most likely a red herring at this halfway stage.
Although the wider point might also be even wider in that the media then begin to lead the investigation, rally the mob, and because we are being led down the peado road, they target and destroy the wrong person. Old sins, and all that...
It could also be a play on paranoia about stranger danger, how our fears about this are now driven and fuelled by the media, versus the fact that stats confirm that a child is just as safe now as s/he ever was, and most at risk closer to home.
It's now looking like a kind of child abuse ring starting to take shape. The Pauline Quirke photo with the sea cadets, along with the old newsagent guy, and her comment that she knows men who would rape you, the skateboard in her caravan, etc.
The baldy guy who works with the dad, maybe he was abused and became an abuser, and perhaps the minister was also abused and he now forms part of the ring. They're roughly about the same age, and so could have been abused as kids together. They've became part of the ring, and these people still have control over them.
I hope it's not going to turn out that the baldy guy who works with the father did it, as that's too close to The Killing.
Not totally given up on the supernatural theme, though, - Tennant keeps collapsing when taking pills and now drink, and that's perhaps how he topped himself after his last case.
Pauline Quirke's the evil one, an agent of the devil trying to capture their souls, and Tennant collapsed just shortly after she walked past him with her dog and wished him a good night. Also, when Quirke met the baldy guy, she said we're connected, me and you, so you can't avoid me. She wants him too, whatever he did.
The minister looking out over the town at four in the morning. His sermon to the community about 'we are perplexed, but not driven to despair. Hunted down, but never destroyed, never abandoned by God. The hardest thing for us to remember is we have not been abandoned by God. We are not destroyed, nor will we be.' The minister repeats these 'hunted, destroyed, not abandoned' themes a couple of times, with practically all the community there, except Quirke. She can't enter a church.
And psychic telephone guy who's also trying to lead them in the right direction, went into a strop out in his van when it looked like he'd failed in his quest to convince them. He's on a mission, is on the same side as the minister.Maybe they're not all dead. But those that are are recalling their former lives and creating their present reality around it, as the battle rages for their souls. That last shot of the landscape, spooky and ominous; portent of a disaster that's already happened.
BB's - The same thought crossed my mind. I'm finding a lot of similarities to The Killing - wish I wasn't.
I'm not convinced that there's anything supernatural going on. Sinister? Yes.
Wasn't it pure coincidence that Quirke's character (can't remember her name) was walking past at the same time Tennant was entering the hotel? She was on her way home after 'visiting' the newspaper editor.
Her 'relationship with the bald plumber is very intriguing, though. Can't wait to find out more.
Quirke did enter the Church. I'm sure I saw her there.
Steve the Psychic is furious that he's being ignored...lol
He's STILL my no1 suspect. BUT, If he's not Danny's murderer, then I think that all his 'psychic powers' are coming from telephone conversations he's overheard. He can't reveal them officially, because he's been listening to them illegally...something like that.
Tom's dad is my suspect no2.
I'm curious as to why Tom deleted Danny's texts and what he'd written.
BB's - The same thought crossed my mind. I'm finding a lot of similarities to The Killing - wish I wasn't.
I'm not convinced that there's anything supernatural going on. Sinister? Yes.
Wasn't it pure coincidence that Quirke's character (can't remember her name) was walking past at the same time Tennant was entering the hotel? She was on her way home after 'visiting' the newspaper editor.
Her 'relationship with the bald plumber is very intriguing, though. Can't wait to find out more.
Quirke did enter the Church. I'm sure I saw her there.
Steve the Psychic is furious that he's being ignored...lol
He's STILL my no1 suspect. BUT, If he's not Danny's murderer, then I think that all his 'psychic powers' are coming from telephone conversations he's overheard. He can't reveal them officially, because he's been listening to them illegally...something like that.
Tom's dad is my suspect no2.
I'm curious as to why Tom deleted Danny's texts and what he'd written.
Yeye the psychic is my no. 2 suspect after Tom's Dad. Like he is faking it all so he can become famous and write a book like Ellie said he was trying to do.
there's so many angles they could take with this - the supernatural one is a really good theory and i'd love something like that. I think the way the show has been made is quite realistic so maybe that's not the route they'll go down but it would be an amazing curve ball.
I still think its some sort of child abuse ring, if we connect all the fishy characters you can certainly pair them up into something like that.
it still doesn't explain the relevance of the drugs though, altho that might just be a red herring. I think both Danny and tom's dads are involved somehow, and I think either Tom did it or was witness to it but there are so many involved that he's petrified to even be linked to it which explains all the deleting etc. altho when they inevitably go through his hard drive I'm sure more will unravel.
I'd also suggest that David tennants dodgy health will result in him getting thrown off the case but perhaps he will get to the bottom of it anyway, being the only outsider involved he's pretty much the only person ruthless enough to solve the case.
If Tom did kill Danny or witness the murder he would have deleted the messages before Ellie told him. He only did it when he found out Danny was dead.
BB's - The same thought crossed my mind. I'm finding a lot of similarities to The Killing - wish I wasn't.
I'm not convinced that there's anything supernatural going on. Sinister? Yes.
Wasn't it pure coincidence that Quirke's character (can't remember her name) was walking past at the same time Tennant was entering the hotel? She was on her way home after 'visiting' the newspaper editor.
Her 'relationship with the bald plumber is very intriguing, though. Can't wait to find out more.
Quirke did enter the Church. I'm sure I saw her there.
Steve the Psychic is furious that he's being ignored...lol
He's STILL my no1 suspect. BUT, If he's not Danny's murderer, then I think that all his 'psychic powers' are coming from telephone conversations he's overheard. He can't reveal them officially, because he's been listening to them illegally...something like that.
Tom's dad is my suspect no2.
I'm curious as to why Tom deleted Danny's texts and what he'd written.
I don't think there's anything supernatural going on, either (I'm just hedging my bets ), it's all probably just analogous to the good and evil struggle.
I taped it, so I'll need to look again to see if Quirke was in the church, but I can't recall seeing her.
It was coincidence that she was just passing by at that time, but the devil or his messenger would be inclined to contrive such a coincidence anyway.
The bald plumber and her have more to reveal, agree with that. Let's hope it's not a big let down, because as you say it did sound pretty intriguing.
Psychic telephone guy seems to have wandered in from another drama on another channel, and somehow became lost on the Broadchurch set. I keep thinking Tennant's one time gonna say to him: they're all looking for you on Medium, wondering where you've got to.
I thought Jack told the police that he remembered the Latimers bringing Danny into his shop when Danny was just a baby?
Or maybe I imagined that...
Yes, I remember him saying that and thinking it odd at the time.
He said he'd come to Broadchurch to get away from his past. I thought that meant recently.
I don't think there's anything supernatural going on, either (I'm just hedging my bets ), it's all probably just analogous to the good and evil struggle.
I taped it, so I'll need to look again to see if Quirke was in the church, but I can't recall seeing her.
It was coincidence that she was just passing by at that time, but the devil or his messenger would be inclined to contrive such a coincidence anyway.
I think I will too.:D I thought I saw her at the back somewhere...
I'd laugh if Quirke turns out to be some underground agent....:cool:
Yes, I remember him saying that and thinking it odd at the time.
He said he'd come to Broadchurch to get away from his past. I thought that meant recently.
If Tom did kill Danny or witness the murder he would have deleted the messages before Ellie told him. He only did it when he found out Danny was dead.
I suppose, but he could have deleted them once he knew that news about the murder had come out?
I don't neccesarily think they're hinting at a paedophile ring - i think the only mention towards it has been this episode and the sole focus of it is on jack, we'll have to
see how it progresses next week but you're right about it being too soon, if it's hinted towards anymore then I think we can rule it out.
there is also the possibility that jack had been abusing Tom and Danny, hence tom's apparent fear of jack, but that it had nothing to do with Danny's murder.
Further to my earlier post about the idea of media being central to the story ...
It was particularly interesting when the Herald reporter told Tennant she was going to make sure he didn't repeat the mistakes of the earlier case - effectively the tabloids policing the police for their own story-making purpose.
We have already had local media digging up the distant past on one resident - which will surely come to be seen as (a) a great waste of police time and (b) destroying someone who has contributed greatly to his community since arriving.
So I wonder if self-interested media hindering the investigation will also be a theme (the main media themes being destroying the family, as well as much of the sense of community).
I wonder if the show has a wider point to make, hence attracting this cast. It might, for example, have much more to say about media - as, in the real world, politicians continue to debate Leveson.
Yes, it might, but it seems unrealistic that it is taking the media so long to take much of an interest in the story. What Karen said about the national media not being interested because "11 year old boys go missing all the time" didn't make much sense, since Danny isn't missing, he's dead. I would have thought the papers would have had a look at his Facebook etc pages right away and printed stuff from it. By now they would surely have got to headlines such as "Murdered Danny was illegally employed under age", "Murdered Danny's mum had first child at 15", etc.
...Seriously, somebody needs to post a guide to all the names.
There is this
DI Alec Hardy...David Tennant
DS Ellie Miller…Olivia Colman
Mark Latimer... Andrew Buchan
Beth Latimer...Jodie Whittaker
Karen White ...Vicky McClure
Rev Paul Coates…Arthur Darvill
Susan Wright... Pauline Quirke
Steve Connelly…Will Mellor
Maggie Radcliffe…Carolyn Pickles
Joe Miller…Matthew Gravelle
Becca Fisher...Simone McAullay
Olly Stevens…Jonathan Bailey
Danny Latimer...Oskar McNamara
Chloe Latimer...Charlotte Beaumont
Liz Roper…Susan Brown
Tom Miller…Adam Wilson
Nige Carter…Joe Sims
Jack Marshall…David Bradley
Dean Thomas...Jacob Anderson
It's taken from HERE where it was a big confusing as the text is mixed up unless you go to page 2
I thought Jack told the police that he remembered the Latimers bringing Danny into his shop when Danny was just a baby?
Or maybe I imagined that...
Ah.......yes....... now you've said that, I am remembering the convo ........
So ........ that would mean Jack has been there at least 11 years
Which would mean his time with Susan ( or Elaine as she was back then ) and that photo with the Sea Cadets - in another town ? - is at least 12 years ago...
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I still think its some sort of child abuse ring, if we connect all the fishy characters you can certainly pair them up into something like that.
it still doesn't explain the relevance of the drugs though, altho that might just be a red herring. I think both Danny and tom's dads are involved somehow, and I think either Tom did it or was witness to it but there are so many involved that he's petrified to even be linked to it which explains all the deleting etc. altho when they inevitably go through his hard drive I'm sure more will unravel.
I'd also suggest that David tennants dodgy health will result in him getting thrown off the case but perhaps he will get to the bottom of it anyway, being the only outsider involved he's pretty much the only person ruthless enough to solve the case.
So it's not that. IMO.
I wonder if the show has a wider point to make, hence attracting this cast. It might, for example, have much more to say about media - as, in the real world, politicians continue to debate Leveson.
You can certainly see the media story arc has been carefully integrated from the very start and continues to emerge (local to national) as a major theme in the overall story.
We also have one 'hidden past' - the old boy, with Pauline Quirke's lined up. Then the baby bump will emerge - possibly involving a paternity story, the husbands affair, etc, etc.
So plenty of potentially 'meaty' - family and community destroying - tabloid stories have been sketched in ...
I'd agree with that. It's most likely a red herring at this halfway stage.
Although the wider point might also be even wider in that the media then begin to lead the investigation, rally the mob, and because we are being led down the peado road, they target and destroy the wrong person. Old sins, and all that...
It could also be a play on paranoia about stranger danger, how our fears about this are now driven and fuelled by the media, versus the fact that stats confirm that a child is just as safe now as s/he ever was, and most at risk closer to home.
BB's - The same thought crossed my mind. I'm finding a lot of similarities to The Killing - wish I wasn't.
I'm not convinced that there's anything supernatural going on. Sinister? Yes.
Wasn't it pure coincidence that Quirke's character (can't remember her name) was walking past at the same time Tennant was entering the hotel? She was on her way home after 'visiting' the newspaper editor.
Her 'relationship with the bald plumber is very intriguing, though. Can't wait to find out more.
Quirke did enter the Church. I'm sure I saw her there.
Steve the Psychic is furious that he's being ignored...lol
He's STILL my no1 suspect. BUT, If he's not Danny's murderer, then I think that all his 'psychic powers' are coming from telephone conversations he's overheard. He can't reveal them officially, because he's been listening to them illegally...something like that.
Tom's dad is my suspect no2.
I'm curious as to why Tom deleted Danny's texts and what he'd written.
Yeye the psychic is my no. 2 suspect after Tom's Dad. Like he is faking it all so he can become famous and write a book like Ellie said he was trying to do.
I thought Jack told the police that he remembered the Latimers bringing Danny into his shop when Danny was just a baby?
Or maybe I imagined that...
I think it was £500 under Danny's bed and the drugs in his sister's room.
If Tom did kill Danny or witness the murder he would have deleted the messages before Ellie told him. He only did it when he found out Danny was dead.
I don't think there's anything supernatural going on, either (I'm just hedging my bets
I taped it, so I'll need to look again to see if Quirke was in the church, but I can't recall seeing her.
It was coincidence that she was just passing by at that time, but the devil or his messenger would be inclined to contrive such a coincidence anyway.
The bald plumber and her have more to reveal, agree with that. Let's hope it's not a big let down, because as you say it did sound pretty intriguing.
Psychic telephone guy seems to have wandered in from another drama on another channel, and somehow became lost on the Broadchurch set. I keep thinking Tennant's one time gonna say to him: they're all looking for you on Medium, wondering where you've got to.
Yes, I remember him saying that and thinking it odd at the time.
He said he'd come to Broadchurch to get away from his past. I thought that meant recently.
I think I will too.:D I thought I saw her at the back somewhere...
I'd laugh if Quirke turns out to be some underground agent....:cool:
Or he's dead?
I suppose, but he could have deleted them once he knew that news about the murder had come out?
I don't neccesarily think they're hinting at a paedophile ring - i think the only mention towards it has been this episode and the sole focus of it is on jack, we'll have to
see how it progresses next week but you're right about it being too soon, if it's hinted towards anymore then I think we can rule it out.
there is also the possibility that jack had been abusing Tom and Danny, hence tom's apparent fear of jack, but that it had nothing to do with Danny's murder.
It was particularly interesting when the Herald reporter told Tennant she was going to make sure he didn't repeat the mistakes of the earlier case - effectively the tabloids policing the police for their own story-making purpose.
We have already had local media digging up the distant past on one resident - which will surely come to be seen as (a) a great waste of police time and (b) destroying someone who has contributed greatly to his community since arriving.
So I wonder if self-interested media hindering the investigation will also be a theme (the main media themes being destroying the family, as well as much of the sense of community).
Hahahaha. On second thoughts I'm beginning to wonder......
Yes, it might, but it seems unrealistic that it is taking the media so long to take much of an interest in the story. What Karen said about the national media not being interested because "11 year old boys go missing all the time" didn't make much sense, since Danny isn't missing, he's dead. I would have thought the papers would have had a look at his Facebook etc pages right away and printed stuff from it. By now they would surely have got to headlines such as "Murdered Danny was illegally employed under age", "Murdered Danny's mum had first child at 15", etc.
You're right. Quirke wasn't in church. She was at the other meeting - the one where Tennant gave a talk. I got the two mixed up.:o
There is this
DI Alec Hardy...David Tennant
DS Ellie Miller…Olivia Colman
Mark Latimer... Andrew Buchan
Beth Latimer...Jodie Whittaker
Karen White ...Vicky McClure
Rev Paul Coates…Arthur Darvill
Susan Wright... Pauline Quirke
Steve Connelly…Will Mellor
Maggie Radcliffe…Carolyn Pickles
Joe Miller…Matthew Gravelle
Becca Fisher...Simone McAullay
Olly Stevens…Jonathan Bailey
Danny Latimer...Oskar McNamara
Chloe Latimer...Charlotte Beaumont
Liz Roper…Susan Brown
Tom Miller…Adam Wilson
Nige Carter…Joe Sims
Jack Marshall…David Bradley
Dean Thomas...Jacob Anderson
It's taken from HERE where it was a big confusing as the text is mixed up unless you go to page 2
Good idea.
I'm enjoying the series.
Ah.......yes....... now you've said that, I am remembering the convo ........
So ........ that would mean Jack has been there at least 11 years
Which would mean his time with Susan ( or Elaine as she was back then ) and that photo with the Sea Cadets - in another town ? - is at least 12 years ago...
I'm going out on a limb here. I think the £500 could have been Tom's and it was Tom who asked Danny to look after it for him.
There's also a possibility that Tom was the intended victim and not Danny.