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Shooting in Woolwich, London

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    End-Em-AllEnd-Em-All Posts: 23,629
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    drykid wrote: »
    Yeah, very disturbing. Although I wouldn't say he looked muslim, as the BBC were claiming.

    Exactly! He looked like any other black man on the street. What do Muslims look like anyway :rolleyes:
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,125
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    is the itv footage online?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 17,021
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    ITV just showed video of one of the guys apparently responsible.

    Warning: Graphic. http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-05-22/exclusive-man-with-bloodied-hands-at-woolwich-scene/
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,294
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    Ads wrote: »
    Urr try telling that to the victim's family

    Are you disputing that the risk to any given person from terrorism is almost zero, or just spouting trite, boring crap for the sake of it?

    If a man is killed by lightening nobody suggests we need to invest in a national anti-lightening shield. Anyone who suggested we waste billions on such nonsense would be told to shut up and stop being a moron.

    But if someone is killed by terrorists - even though terrorism is so utterly rare - people start running round like total cretins saying 'something must be done'. And then people like you say I can't point out that terrorism is incredibly rare because it might upset the families of the victim?

    I wouldn't tell the family of a victim of a lightening strike that lightning strikes or so stupidly rare there's no point worrying about them - because it would be insensitive. But I'd tell anyone else. Because it's true.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,391
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    As I said earlier, they'll be looking at the possibility of further such attacks on Forces personnel and assessing what level of security alert to call.

    I cannot see how it is possible to stop such an attack. These weapons are freely available.
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    drykiddrykid Posts: 1,510
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    Verence wrote: »
    The BBC weren't claiming that, they were just reporting what supposed eyewitnesses were claiming
    I think it came from government sources (According to Nick Robinson), which makes it more interesting.

    (And no I'm not suggesting a conspiracy, since it does appear to be some kind of muslim terrorist attack judging by what the guy with the knife in the ITV video says.)
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    Jane Doh!Jane Doh! Posts: 43,307
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    jules1000 wrote: »
    No take them to hospital and feed them chicken soup, you never know the NHS nurses might be made to sing them a lullaby.

    That might make you happy.:)

    :rolleyes:
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    doom&gloomdoom&gloom Posts: 9,051
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    deffo. that'll teach em lol.


    And your basing this on what one attack of a few terror attacks. this is nothing to do with multiculturalism its to do with a load of nut jobs.

    To be fair, South London is full of machete and knife-wielding thugs who are not Muslim terrorists.
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    Rowan HedgeRowan Hedge Posts: 3,861
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    Jane Doh! wrote: »
    I wasn't, no. I have morals and compassion both. Yourself? Well, your posts say you don't.

    I'm nobody's apologist, love, I'm simply pointing out that a nurse doesn't get to decide who they treat. They do their job. The one they are paid to do.

    Great attempt at playing the victim and casting aspersions though, well done!

    Now I'm not playing the victim ,but if I was near on on the scene I'd do whatever I could to try to help him but given the severity of his injuries that would be a futile effort but nonetheless id do what ever I could.
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    skp20040skp20040 Posts: 66,874
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    It took 20 minutes for the police to arrive. If this was the USA, any cop could have shot them.

    For armed police to arrive , others were cordoning off the area and waiting at a safe distance as they should , and no earleir arrival would have saved the man sadly.
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    Sun Tzu.Sun Tzu. Posts: 19,064
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    An inside terrorist. It just gets better don't it.
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    duckymallardduckymallard Posts: 13,936
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    Ahahha. You can't make this up. So if they had guns, everyone would be totally fooked.

    According to one eyewitness at least one of them was in possession of a hand gun.

    They made no attempt to attack anyone until the ARV arrived - which (imho) clearly indicates that this was an attack targetting the security forces (Police & Army)
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    Sniffle774Sniffle774 Posts: 20,290
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    doom&gloom wrote: »
    To be fair, South London is full of machete and knife-wielding thugs who are not Muslim terrorists.

    I think "full" is a little OTT ?
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    AdsAds Posts: 37,093
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    proviso wrote: »
    Are you disputing that the risk to any given person from terrorism is almost zero, or just spouting trite, boring crap for the sake of it?

    If a man is killed by lightening nobody suggests we need to invest in a national anti-lightening shield. Anyone who suggested we waste billions on such nonsense would be told to shut up and stop being a moron.

    But if someone is killed by terrorists - even though terrorism is so utterly rare - people start running round like total cretins saying 'something must be done'. And then people like you say I can't point out that terrorism is incredibly rare because it might upset the families of the victim?

    I wouldn't tell the family of a victim of a lightening strike that lightning strikes or so stupidly rare there's no point worrying about them - because it would be insensitive. But I'd tell anyone else. Because it's true.

    Yes the risk to any person from being affected by terrorism is low, but that's not a reason to ignore it. There is little chance of being attacked by a dangerous dog, but that's not a reason to try and take sensible precautions to stop these attacks from happening.
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    stoatiestoatie Posts: 78,106
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    Nick Griffins wife is a nurse

    bloody amazes me that does

    If she's HIS nurse it would kinda make sense.
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    KieranDSKieranDS Posts: 16,545
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    ITV just showed video of one of the guys apparently responsible.

    Warning: Graphic. http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-05-22/exclusive-man-with-bloodied-hands-at-woolwich-scene/

    Shocking.
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    doom&gloomdoom&gloom Posts: 9,051
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    striing wrote: »
    And he didn't even look Middle Eastern or East African. Just plain old IC3.

    Half of Nigeria is Muslim, that could be his heritage.
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    valkayvalkay Posts: 15,732
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    jules1000 wrote: »
    No take them to hospital and feed them chicken soup,

    .:)

    or pork chops and sausages.
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    Jane Doh!Jane Doh! Posts: 43,307
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    jules1000 wrote: »
    Well tbh wev'e heard it all before from you many times....

    We have? What have we heard?
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    drykiddrykid Posts: 1,510
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    Yeah, he was definitely a Londoner. Apologised that women had to witness it!:eek:
    That bit was slightly surreal. If it wasn't so shocking it would be almost amusing in an ironic way I guess.
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    NihongaNihonga Posts: 10,618
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    16caerhos wrote: »
    I'm glad they were shot. Scum like that shouldn't be allowed to live.

    They are not dead apparently. They've been treated in hospital according to a police spokesman said in a statement. I think one of them is seriously injured, though.
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    KieranDSKieranDS Posts: 16,545
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    doom&gloom wrote: »
    To be fair, South London is full of machete and knife-wielding thugs who are not Muslim terrorists.

    No it isn't.
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    jriojrio Posts: 3,135
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    I was just wondering about that. Is there any situation where torture becomes justified ? I believe there is, providing there is a reasonable expectation that it could save lives.
    Of course, some will argue that it never works. But I'm not so sure, it's more than likely that we wouldn't know about the success or otherwise of any extreme forms of interrogation anyway.
    No, but you've shown in your post how terrorism can work - it causes hysterical panic, leading to justifying torture.
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    stirlingguy1stirlingguy1 Posts: 7,038
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    The video only appears to be on ITV News. Sky/BBC may not show it if ITN have exclusivity. I don't think the BBC would show that anyway, it was quite shocking for 6.30pm
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 8,822
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    I wondered how long Islam would be blamed.

    Absolutely ridiculous.
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