You are aware, of course, that many Labour MPs also spent their time laughing and joking their way through the Food Bank debate?
Do you seriously think that any of these MPs were actually laughing at the plight of the people being discussed? Or do you think that, just perhaps, they were (quite ignorantly, I agree) having conversations amongst themselves during the debate, or trying to get a rise out of the members opposite them (as politicians of every party are constantly trying to do)?
This utterly moronic and deceitful spin operation put out by Labour is shameful, and sums up pretty much everything that is wrong with politics today. It's no surprise that the cretinous Tom Watson is playing his part but that people such as yourself, Ricky, are desperate to regurgitate it on forums like this make me wonder whether you are genuinely stupid enough to be taken in by it or whether you're part of the spin yourself...
You may be right about some of it but sometimes there comes a point where the cross-party baiting has to stop and cross-party solution making has to begin.
No matter how much people on here want to play it down this is a serious issue and should be treated as such. Either people are genuinely turning to these food banks as they have no other option or they are struggling to make correct decisions.
There are times when MPs have to use a bit of common sense and realise that people are watching them.
I am rather undecided. Trussel had one foodbank in 2004 and now have hundreds. Are they the only suppliers or have they just cornered or created a market?
They have just become traders in poverty. It seems that even poverty is now a commodity to be exploited.
I would have thought that's simple to work out, for people to have a standard of living were people no longer have to go cap in hand to a charity for food, this is the uk not a third world country.
so why didn't the labour party introduce the 50p rate years earlier rather than 3 months before an election they knew they would most likely lose?
I dunno, perhaps that question should have been asked when it was relevant? because at the moment Labour aren't in government and the Tories are, and not being able to time travel I prefer to talk about things we might be able to do something about, it's a bit hard to change the past,
But for the record, I would have liked to have seen, or like to see, some sort of 'emergency' tax imposed on the wealthiest people in the country, "all hands to the pump" and all that, a sort of 'blitz' spirit to get us through these hard times,
I mean, the rich are more than happy to 'rake it in' when times are good, (thanks mainly to the efforts of the hard working people of this country) so how about they put some 'effort' into helping out?
I mean, one of the many great lies that the Tories have spouted is their "we are all in it together" crap, when in fact the only people who are "in it" are the people who have always been "in it" only now they are even deeper "in it" while the rich are still laughing all the way to the "off shore" bank,
IF this is supposed to be the worst global financial crisis in living memory then I would have liked to have seen a NATIONAL coalition government formed, as there was in WW2 one made up of all three main parties based on their vote percentage,
and NOT one made up only of the party that gained the most votes, and the one that came THIRD,
Lets really be "all in it together" and get the country out of this mess,
But of course that would stop the Tories from slipping their chums backhanders while they dismantle the 'hated' welfare state, aided and abetted by the yellow sell out party,
Anyway, must dash, someone (else) on the internet is wrong,
I am rather undecided. Trussel had one foodbank in 2004 and now have hundreds. Are they the only suppliers or have they just cornered or created a market?
Like anything else, if you extend capacity, more people will turn up to fill the extra capacity.
The thing is that the Trussel Trust started up the road in the height of the boom period in one of the better off cities in the country.
But I don't remember people saying how disgusting it was at the time under Labour that food banks were needed.
So perhaps people can explain how food banks are a reflection of anything when the original start up was in a city with low unemployment,which is still the case 3.5% against the average 6% in the South West, 7.6% in England.
TBH, if a food bank is needed in Salisbury where it started, no government in the world will ever solve the problem of people not being able to manage their money and lives without recourse to charity.
It just seems that they are using hungry people as a stick to beat the government with.
It would be great if food banks didn't need to exist but there will always be some people who are hopeless at managing their money. It's a sign of a healthy society that there are charities which are there to help these people. You could say it's the Big Society in action ;-)
I dunno, perhaps that question should have been asked when it was relevant? because at the moment Labour aren't in government and the Tories are, and not being able to time travel I prefer to talk about things we might be able to do something about, it's a bit hard to change the past,
But for the record, I would have liked to have seen, or like to see, some sort of 'emergency' tax imposed on the wealthiest people in the country,
snip (again).
so i take it you are happy then that the 45% rate has been imposed by this government, which is higher than it ever was (apart from the last 3 months) under the previous government.
It just seems that they are using hungry people as a stick to beat the government with.
It would be great if food banks didn't need to exist but there will always be some people who are hopeless at managing their money. It's a sign of a healthy society that there are charities which are there to help these people. You could say it's the Big Society in action ;-)
Why do you think it is down to people not managing their money properly , if peoples wages don't keep up with ever increasing prices rises of every thing then there become a point of when people can no longer cut back, as there is no more to cut back on
I would have thought that's simple to work out, for people to have a standard of living were people no longer have to go cap in hand to a charity for food, this is the uk not a third world country.
Well we want world peace as well - but the big question is how you achieve that.I agree that food prices are too high, I would reduce them by leaving the EU, is that something you would go along with as well?.
I also feel that energy prices are too high as well - I would reduce them by scrapping Ed's Climate Change Act, removing all Green subsidies, allowing widespread fracking and encouraging more nuclear power.
so i take it you are happy then that the 45% rate has been imposed by this government, which is higher than it ever was (apart from the last 3 months) under the previous government.
Yes an inconvinient truth that under labour the wealthiest people paid less income tax than they do now.
It just seems that they are using hungry people as a stick to beat the government with.
It would be great if food banks didn't need to exist but there will always be some people who are hopeless at managing their money. It's a sign of a healthy society that there are charities which are there to help these people. You could say it's the Big Society in action ;-)
No, it's a sign of a sick society that such institutions need to exist in the first place.
It proves the system is failing.
Shall we fix it? Nah, let's just rely on charity and let the rich minority continue to reap the benefits.
so i take it you are happy then that the 45% rate has been imposed by this government, which is higher than it ever was (apart from the last 3 months) under the previous government.
The point is Income Tax for the rich should have been much higher under Labour as well - two wrongs don't make a right.
Well we want world peace as well - but the big question is how you achieve that.I agree that food prices are too high, I would reduce them by leaving the EU, is that something you would go along with as well?.
I also feel that energy prices are too high as well - I would reduce them by scrapping Ed's Climate Change Act, removing all Green subsidies, allowing widespread fracking and encouraging more nuclear power.
What policies did you have in mind?
Socialist ones.
Judging by your second paragraph if you had your way we wouldn't have a country to live in - just a toxic wasteland.
No, it's a sign of a sick society that such institutions need to exist in the first place.
It proves the system is failing.
Shall we fix it? Nah, let's just rely on charity and let the rich minority continue to reap the benefits.
Yup.
I have to say the logic that because charities exist to set up foodbanks (and trussel directors get a nice paycheck indeed for it, I wont go into the connection with the people behind trussel and our political class, its depressing) is something healthy baffles me.
We are a country where more or less every person in the country contributes tax into a pot to provide for societies weakest members. If the pot isnt providing, things are broken, not healthy.
I have to say the logic that because charities exist to set up foodbanks (and trussel directors get a nice paycheck indeed for it, I wont go into the connection with the people behind trussel and our political class, its depressing) is something healthy baffles me.
We are a country where more or less every person in the country contributes tax into a pot to provide for societies weakest members. If the pot isnt providing, things are broken, not healthy.
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You may be right about some of it but sometimes there comes a point where the cross-party baiting has to stop and cross-party solution making has to begin.
No matter how much people on here want to play it down this is a serious issue and should be treated as such. Either people are genuinely turning to these food banks as they have no other option or they are struggling to make correct decisions.
There are times when MPs have to use a bit of common sense and realise that people are watching them.
They have just become traders in poverty. It seems that even poverty is now a commodity to be exploited.
I would have thought that's simple to work out, for people to have a standard of living were people no longer have to go cap in hand to a charity for food, this is the uk not a third world country.
I think david cameron and the other tory ministers would like a u k apartheid the rich and powerful one side the other side poor and needy.
so why didn't the labour party introduce the 50p rate years earlier rather than 3 months before an election they knew they would most likely lose?
Is it Labours policy to reintroduce the 50p limit? or was it doest a pathetic political move of a dying government at the time?
They're not getting extra income.
I dunno, perhaps that question should have been asked when it was relevant? because at the moment Labour aren't in government and the Tories are, and not being able to time travel I prefer to talk about things we might be able to do something about, it's a bit hard to change the past,
But for the record, I would have liked to have seen, or like to see, some sort of 'emergency' tax imposed on the wealthiest people in the country, "all hands to the pump" and all that, a sort of 'blitz' spirit to get us through these hard times,
I mean, the rich are more than happy to 'rake it in' when times are good, (thanks mainly to the efforts of the hard working people of this country) so how about they put some 'effort' into helping out?
I mean, one of the many great lies that the Tories have spouted is their "we are all in it together" crap, when in fact the only people who are "in it" are the people who have always been "in it" only now they are even deeper "in it" while the rich are still laughing all the way to the "off shore" bank,
IF this is supposed to be the worst global financial crisis in living memory then I would have liked to have seen a NATIONAL coalition government formed, as there was in WW2 one made up of all three main parties based on their vote percentage,
and NOT one made up only of the party that gained the most votes, and the one that came THIRD,
Lets really be "all in it together" and get the country out of this mess,
But of course that would stop the Tories from slipping their chums backhanders while they dismantle the 'hated' welfare state, aided and abetted by the yellow sell out party,
Anyway, must dash, someone (else) on the internet is wrong,
Like anything else, if you extend capacity, more people will turn up to fill the extra capacity.
The thing is that the Trussel Trust started up the road in the height of the boom period in one of the better off cities in the country.
But I don't remember people saying how disgusting it was at the time under Labour that food banks were needed.
So perhaps people can explain how food banks are a reflection of anything when the original start up was in a city with low unemployment,which is still the case 3.5% against the average 6% in the South West, 7.6% in England.
TBH, if a food bank is needed in Salisbury where it started, no government in the world will ever solve the problem of people not being able to manage their money and lives without recourse to charity.
It just seems that they are using hungry people as a stick to beat the government with.
It would be great if food banks didn't need to exist but there will always be some people who are hopeless at managing their money. It's a sign of a healthy society that there are charities which are there to help these people. You could say it's the Big Society in action ;-)
snip (again).
so i take it you are happy then that the 45% rate has been imposed by this government, which is higher than it ever was (apart from the last 3 months) under the previous government.
Why do you think it is down to people not managing their money properly , if peoples wages don't keep up with ever increasing prices rises of every thing then there become a point of when people can no longer cut back, as there is no more to cut back on
Well we want world peace as well - but the big question is how you achieve that.I agree that food prices are too high, I would reduce them by leaving the EU, is that something you would go along with as well?.
I also feel that energy prices are too high as well - I would reduce them by scrapping Ed's Climate Change Act, removing all Green subsidies, allowing widespread fracking and encouraging more nuclear power.
What policies did you have in mind?
Yes an inconvinient truth that under labour the wealthiest people paid less income tax than they do now.
Not true.
Has anyone suggested a tax on bankers' bonuses yet?
Not really, the headline rate is pretty meaningless once you can afford decent accountancy representation.
I've paid roughly the same percentage under labour as I do now.
No, it's a sign of a sick society that such institutions need to exist in the first place.
It proves the system is failing.
Shall we fix it? Nah, let's just rely on charity and let the rich minority continue to reap the benefits.
The point is Income Tax for the rich should have been much higher under Labour as well - two wrongs don't make a right.
Socialist ones.
Judging by your second paragraph if you had your way we wouldn't have a country to live in - just a toxic wasteland.
Yup.
I have to say the logic that because charities exist to set up foodbanks (and trussel directors get a nice paycheck indeed for it, I wont go into the connection with the people behind trussel and our political class, its depressing) is something healthy baffles me.
We are a country where more or less every person in the country contributes tax into a pot to provide for societies weakest members. If the pot isnt providing, things are broken, not healthy.
yes because socialist/communist countries are renowned for their environmental protection
Do you live on the same planet as the rest of us?
Quite.
Well, I'd rather not live on your planet if it's all the same to you - I want to live in a healthy world.
Ironically, I think with your environmental views you would have been well at home in the filth-producing Soviet Union.
All of them! They're evil and vile, every last one of them. >:(