Great post which pays due respect to the complex nature of the issue..... Though I still maintain that reducing demand will save more exploited and vulnerable women, overall - in net numbers. etc etc
Its simple economics....if you reduce demand your drive prices down. Each time there is a police sweep the punters disappear so the girls fight over the few that remain becoming ever more desperate. If we are to help the women its in the reduction of supply because they no longer need the cash for drugs. Drug treatments and support accessing them for those that want it is the way forward.
This thread is becoming boring now because nobody will ever agree that it is wrong to pay for sex.
So the thread is boring because nobody will agree with you ?
It's a debate that could go on forever though as it has so many different strands so you're never really going to get any kind of one size fits all answer.
So the thread is boring because nobody will agree with you ?
It's a debate that could go on forever though as it has so many different strands so you're never really going to get any kind of one size fits all answer.
I have tried to be open minded but I still find it all a bit tragic to be honest. I am trying to put myself in the position of being someone who cannot form a normal relationship with women but I cannot get my head around it.
The question is it wrong to buy/sell sex is different.
I think most will agree it's wrong that people have to sell their bodies for sex however sadly some people do come to that point that at least for them their is no other option
I would say even the high earners this wasn't exactly their dream job growing up.
However as it will always happen lets face it it's the world oldest profession going back literately thousands of years if they are going to do it then it should be made as safe as possible so legalised brothels ect would be a better option then meeting someone down a dark back street.
I have tried to be open minded but I still find it all a bit tragic to be honest. I am trying to put myself in the position of being someone who cannot form a normal relationship with women but I cannot get my head around it.
You get used to it, Danni. You just learn to live with it.
Not a sound bite - a simple question - and one you don't appear to have been able to answer.
As for your question to me- I don't know the young woman in question. Just as you don't know him - and you don't know the particular escort he sees. He might be correct in his beliefs or he might be deluded. But it's not for me (or you) to say.
I think he said she was 26 years younger and whilst such age gaps do occur in reality it's rare.
She is also a prostitute, he is her client and again whilst such relationships can change again it is rare.
On balance the probability is that it is and never will be anything more. I think that much is pretty obvious even without knowing either party.
I do know of an older guy who has a Thai wife. She is a lot younger and very pretty and they seem happy together so far but I don't know if it will last forever.
Of course all of them will get clients they sooner wouldn't and really do have to take their mind off just who they have having sex with then again in most jobs you will get the odd client/customer/someone you sooner wouldn't like to interact with if you had a choice.
They can and do turn people away if they feel uncomfortable, they also never have to see them again if they have any issues/concerns at all about a client.
They can and do turn people away if they feel uncomfortable, they also never have to see them again if they have any issues/concerns at all about a client.
But turning people away means turning money away so it probably isn't something you would do lightly. The job involves having sex with people you wouldn't normally want to - just as customer service in other places means smiling at people even when they are rude or annoying. Pretending is part of the work.
I have tried to be open minded but I still find it all a bit tragic to be honest. I am trying to put myself in the position of being someone who cannot form a normal relationship with women but I cannot get my head around it.
Unless you can understand how someone feels who has zero self esteem and self confidence - for starters - then you never will. factor in depression and any other number of 'issues' and it becomes quite easy to understand.
of course it doesn't include forming friendships with women because that's a different kettle of fish - there's no pressure to "perform" to try and entice a potential partner and the woman will feel "safe" because she knows the man in question isn't going to try and chat her up and just wants to be friends.
Maybe it was missed by the other posters it was directed at but I appreciate your response.
However, it doesn't really answer the question I posed... Past is certainly one aspect - but I think you can see what I might infer from your views, and that of others... and be left wondering why you guys would have any difficulty with a current partner doing the job...Given how you all seem to view the profession like any other any job, and the women doing it like any other woman (the latter rightly so IMO, the former, not so much,,,!)
In a word Jealousy which for many is their most powerful emotions and one that defies reason...
Anyone that got jealous over their partner selling burgers would probably require locking up for their own safety, but getting jealous of them having sex with someone else is far more understandable.
A totally different field but porn actors and actresses have similar issues forming relationships with people outside their own profession.
Whilst in my case the girl may well be able to detach herself emotionally from her clients I think it's far harder for a partner to accept that is the case. More so when she admits that she actually likes some of her clients...
As I say she also thought some of them were complete knobs and some she felt sorry for.
They can and do turn people away if they feel uncomfortable, they also never have to see them again if they have any issues/concerns at all about a client.
If they feel unsafe yes but I mean more they wouldn't really choose to have sex with that overweight smelly 60 year old (just for a extreme example) but still do but are probably putting their mind somewhere else.
The guy is nice enough they know they are safe with him and he wouldn't hurt them if someone paid him to but at the same time he's not someone they want to have sex with at all.
Edit to add.
I'm also sure some get clients they would have sex with anyway.
Great post which pays due respect to the complex nature of the issue..... Though I still maintain that reducing demand will save more exploited and vulnerable women, overall - in net numbers. etc etc
If they feel unsafe yes but I mean more they wouldn't really choose to have sex with that overweight smelly 60 year old (just for a extreme example) but still do but are probably putting their mind somewhere else..
Er, reading the last couple of pages this thread has gone, a little, ahem, weird(er).
A few things-
1) I have no idea why people post on a thread stuff such as 'probably time this thread was closed' or 'yeah we've covered everything' or 'boring' or 'yawn'. I find this to be a little bizarre. If a topic bores people, perhaps move on. There are others to choose from. There's a plethora of threads that bore the ass off me too. Why they feel the need to actually take the time to go onto the thread in question then post to tell others they are now bored with it is a tad odd to me.
2) I find it weird that people are criticised for lengthy posts or indeed posts that cover replies to multiple posters. If people ramble or talk nonsense then fair enough but I for one approve of eloquent and comprehensive posts, especially as they offer a different perspective.
3) If posters really ARE pretending to be people they are not then for me that's a hell of a lot sadder then anything else, anyone else may have posted in here.
Er, reading the last couple of pages this thread has gone, a little, ahem, weird(er).
A few things-
1) I have no idea why people post on a thread stuff such as 'probably time this thread was closed' or 'yeah we've covered everything' or 'boring' or yawn'. I find this to be a little bizarre. If a topic bores people, perhaps move on. There are others to choose from. There's a plethora of threads that bore the ass of me too. Why they feel the need to actually take the time to go onto the thread in question to tell others they are now bored with it is a tad odd to me.
2) I find it weird that people are criticised for lengthy posts or indeed posts that cover replies to multiple posters. If people ramble or talk nonsense then fair enough but I for one approve of eloquent and comprehensive posts, especially as they offer a different perspective.
3) If posters really ARE pretending to be people they are not then for me that's a hell of a lot sadder then anything else, anyone else may have posted in here.
Here endeth the AOTB 'lesson'. Amen.
Well as DS Forum Support would say, this thread has reached the end of useful discussion.
In my case, I'm getting repeat questions, which I've already answered previously.
Jra does really well to not bloody argue with those little shits who keep winding him up, my view is that he has done really well to retain his dignity in this thread.
Thank you Joni. I will reply in kind, but I'm not going to do so in a way which will get me a holiday.
Well said Joni !!!!!!!!
,Must admit i'm bloody rubbish at spotting Sock-Puppets or PBUs and their other names etc ,so no idea who else Danni is but i have to say all the Bloody winks they were putting on the end of nearly every post was getting right on my bloody wick :mad: so hopefully that'll stop now if nowt else :-D
I'm no expert either, but in my case, another couple of FMs alerted me by PM.
JRA, I think I am the one being called a loser with self esteem issues. You are more known as the dirty older man. Either way, neither of us are respected much round here.
:-D
Ah well, I've lost a few (more) screen names of people that don't respect me. People I don't know and are very unlikely to ever meet in IRL. There are far more pressing issues (for me) IRL.
I don't believe anyone has called you a loser or said you have self esteem issues. You have accused me of being one of the biggest critics and the best I was able to offer is that I think you are deluding yourself if you think the women are texting you because they have enjoyed the sex rather than the crispy notes that you gave them.
If a woman said the same I would say she was deluded too.
I said 'implied or said'.
The rest has been covered previously, as far as I can remember.
Sorry about the long multi-quote, but I'm too lazy to split it up into separate posts.
I am just going to ask one further question and this is directed to jra about the woman he uses who is a lot younger. Does this girl have any qualifications? and if so could she get a job doing something else? If she really cares for you as you say perhaps she could do that and you could have a proper relationship together.
I do wonder what age prostitutes retire from the game. They obviously won't be doing this when they are old and grey because they won't attract the punters.
I am just going to ask one further question and this is directed to jra about the woman he uses who is a lot younger. Does this girl have any qualifications? and if so could she get a job doing something else? If she really cares for you as you say perhaps she could do that and you could have a proper relationship together.
She doesn't care for me, care for me in that sense. We are not in a serious relationship. You have to accept that in this type of encounter (for want of a better word), there are things you'll want to know, that you'll never find out the answers to.
Seriously, how would I know. It's not 20 questions time when I've seen her. I've found out certain snippets of info she's disclosed willingly, but it could all be bullshit. She's not my girlfriend and I'm not her boyfriend. I don't know what she gets up to out of hours, how much money she takes after a cut, if any (and where the rest of it goes), what she spends it on (other than what is required for the job, e.g. clothing, make-up, manicures etc.), where she goes out on nights off, who her friends are out of hours, where she lives, has she got another job, a boyfriend (she claims no), has she got a car and anything else really.
How much in reality would you know about a person you've met only for a few hours/a day or so in total, time wise, as an example? If I tried to find out some of the above info, I would be true stalker material and I'm not that type of guy.
There is asking questions and being overly nosy. I don't know a lot about what my tenants get up to and they live here, nor do I want to know.
I do wonder what age prostitutes retire from the game. They obviously won't be doing this when they are old and grey because they won't attract the punters.
I think honestly for all your questions you need to go out and speak with 1) a prostitute, you may have to pay them to get any answers but if it satisfies your curiosity please do.
and 2) a punter, you may ask him to pay you so can ask all the questions in the world about their emotional stability. MAke sure you make it clear that you do not like men and you are only available for company as you don't want them getting the wrong idea.
Oh wait did I just entertain another inane attempt at keeping this thread running though you said
I am just going to ask one further question and this is directed to jra about the woman he uses who is a lot younger. Does this girl have any qualifications? and if so could she get a job doing something else? If she really cares for you as you say perhaps she could do that and you could have a proper relationship together.
Thus just trying to get a rise again. oops I did. Silly me.
I think honestly for all your questions you need to go out and speak with 1) a prostitute, you may have to pay them to get any answers but if it satisfies your curiosity please do.
and 2) a punter, you may ask him to pay you so can ask all the questions in the world about their emotional stability. MAke sure you make it clear that you do not like men and you are only available for company as you don't want them getting the wrong idea.
Oh wait did I just entertain another inane attempt at keeping this thread running though you said
Thus just trying to get a rise again. oops I did. Silly me.
Why answer my question then? Just ignore me ok and then I won't get a so called rise.
As for asking a prostitute no way would I do that. For a start they might have a pimp or some kind of bodyguard etc. Don't be so ridiculous ....
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she must have been drunk or on drugs..
Its simple economics....if you reduce demand your drive prices down. Each time there is a police sweep the punters disappear so the girls fight over the few that remain becoming ever more desperate. If we are to help the women its in the reduction of supply because they no longer need the cash for drugs. Drug treatments and support accessing them for those that want it is the way forward.
So the thread is boring because nobody will agree with you ?
It's a debate that could go on forever though as it has so many different strands so you're never really going to get any kind of one size fits all answer.
I have tried to be open minded but I still find it all a bit tragic to be honest. I am trying to put myself in the position of being someone who cannot form a normal relationship with women but I cannot get my head around it.
I think most will agree it's wrong that people have to sell their bodies for sex however sadly some people do come to that point that at least for them their is no other option
I would say even the high earners this wasn't exactly their dream job growing up.
However as it will always happen lets face it it's the world oldest profession going back literately thousands of years if they are going to do it then it should be made as safe as possible so legalised brothels ect would be a better option then meeting someone down a dark back street.
You get used to it, Danni. You just learn to live with it.
I think he said she was 26 years younger and whilst such age gaps do occur in reality it's rare.
She is also a prostitute, he is her client and again whilst such relationships can change again it is rare.
On balance the probability is that it is and never will be anything more. I think that much is pretty obvious even without knowing either party.
But turning people away means turning money away so it probably isn't something you would do lightly. The job involves having sex with people you wouldn't normally want to - just as customer service in other places means smiling at people even when they are rude or annoying. Pretending is part of the work.
Unless you can understand how someone feels who has zero self esteem and self confidence - for starters - then you never will. factor in depression and any other number of 'issues' and it becomes quite easy to understand.
of course it doesn't include forming friendships with women because that's a different kettle of fish - there's no pressure to "perform" to try and entice a potential partner and the woman will feel "safe" because she knows the man in question isn't going to try and chat her up and just wants to be friends.
Anyone that got jealous over their partner selling burgers would probably require locking up for their own safety, but getting jealous of them having sex with someone else is far more understandable.
A totally different field but porn actors and actresses have similar issues forming relationships with people outside their own profession.
Whilst in my case the girl may well be able to detach herself emotionally from her clients I think it's far harder for a partner to accept that is the case. More so when she admits that she actually likes some of her clients...
As I say she also thought some of them were complete knobs and some she felt sorry for.
If they feel unsafe yes but I mean more they wouldn't really choose to have sex with that overweight smelly 60 year old (just for a extreme example) but still do but are probably putting their mind somewhere else.
The guy is nice enough they know they are safe with him and he wouldn't hurt them if someone paid him to but at the same time he's not someone they want to have sex with at all.
Edit to add.
I'm also sure some get clients they would have sex with anyway.
It really helps no one and certainly not the girls. If you push prices down all it means is they have to see even more men to earn the same amount.
Also I think it's fair to say that the lower the prices the less savory the punters it attracts.
Whatever way you look at it the girls are being put at greater risk by this sort of action.
Generally the only reason wound be one of safety...
A few things-
1) I have no idea why people post on a thread stuff such as 'probably time this thread was closed' or 'yeah we've covered everything' or 'boring' or 'yawn'. I find this to be a little bizarre. If a topic bores people, perhaps move on. There are others to choose from. There's a plethora of threads that bore the ass off me too. Why they feel the need to actually take the time to go onto the thread in question then post to tell others they are now bored with it is a tad odd to me.
2) I find it weird that people are criticised for lengthy posts or indeed posts that cover replies to multiple posters. If people ramble or talk nonsense then fair enough but I for one approve of eloquent and comprehensive posts, especially as they offer a different perspective.
3) If posters really ARE pretending to be people they are not then for me that's a hell of a lot sadder then anything else, anyone else may have posted in here.
Here endeth the AOTB 'lesson'. Amen.
Well as DS Forum Support would say, this thread has reached the end of useful discussion.
In my case, I'm getting repeat questions, which I've already answered previously.
And I've already said that previously. But apparently I'm still deluded.
Like a condom in other words. :-D
Thank you.
Thank you Joni. I will reply in kind, but I'm not going to do so in a way which will get me a holiday.
I'm no expert either, but in my case, another couple of FMs alerted me by PM.
Without looking it up again, I've already said I was under no illusions about what was going on.
People delude themselves over all sorts of things. See any religious thread for good examples.
What do you think I'm doing? Cheeky.
:-D
Ah well, I've lost a few (more) screen names of people that don't respect me. People I don't know and are very unlikely to ever meet in IRL. There are far more pressing issues (for me) IRL.
I said 'implied or said'.
The rest has been covered previously, as far as I can remember.
Sorry about the long multi-quote, but I'm too lazy to split it up into separate posts.
Loving the irony of rushing back to a thread first thing in the morning to complain that it is going on for too long.
But that aside - I asked a simple question, and you did everything but actually answer it. Happy to leave it there.
She doesn't care for me, care for me in that sense. We are not in a serious relationship. You have to accept that in this type of encounter (for want of a better word), there are things you'll want to know, that you'll never find out the answers to.
Seriously, how would I know. It's not 20 questions time when I've seen her. I've found out certain snippets of info she's disclosed willingly, but it could all be bullshit. She's not my girlfriend and I'm not her boyfriend. I don't know what she gets up to out of hours, how much money she takes after a cut, if any (and where the rest of it goes), what she spends it on (other than what is required for the job, e.g. clothing, make-up, manicures etc.), where she goes out on nights off, who her friends are out of hours, where she lives, has she got another job, a boyfriend (she claims no), has she got a car and anything else really.
How much in reality would you know about a person you've met only for a few hours/a day or so in total, time wise, as an example? If I tried to find out some of the above info, I would be true stalker material and I'm not that type of guy.
There is asking questions and being overly nosy. I don't know a lot about what my tenants get up to and they live here, nor do I want to know.
I think honestly for all your questions you need to go out and speak with 1) a prostitute, you may have to pay them to get any answers but if it satisfies your curiosity please do.
and 2) a punter, you may ask him to pay you so can ask all the questions in the world about their emotional stability. MAke sure you make it clear that you do not like men and you are only available for company as you don't want them getting the wrong idea.
Oh wait did I just entertain another inane attempt at keeping this thread running though you said
Thus just trying to get a rise again. oops I did. Silly me.
Why answer my question then? Just ignore me ok and then I won't get a so called rise.
As for asking a prostitute no way would I do that. For a start they might have a pimp or some kind of bodyguard etc. Don't be so ridiculous ....
Is that because 'it takes one to know one?'
You seem to have lost your winking ability today