It isn't a minor convenience. It's a huge one. I don't have to dig around my bag to get out a device that could easily be nicked if I'm outside or on the tube, take it out of its pouch and wake it up just to tell the time. All I've got to do is look at my wrist.
My phone can be very useful but it's crap at giving me the time in a fraction of a second without risk to me of getting mugged or walking into a bus stop because I was too busy checking the screen.
When are you ever in such a hurry that the 2 or 3 seconds it takes for you reach into your pocket, take the phone out and click one button on the phone to see the time. Some people must live their lives by the millisecond.
Have you actually ever been mugged for your phone or walked into something whilst in the several seconds it takes to check your phone for the time or is this just more excuses and exaggerations?
When are you ever in such a hurry that the 2 or 3 seconds it takes for you reach into your pocket, take the phone out and click one button on the phone to see the time. Some people must live their lives by the millisecond.
Have you actually ever been mugged for your phone or walked into something whilst in the several seconds it takes to check your phone for the time or is this just more excuses and exaggerations?
Gonna keep ignoring the harder questions eh Wizard? ;-)
I prefer to wear a watch, because I have to put my glasses on to read the time on my phone, and I don't have to in order to tell the time on my watch (which was chosen to have large clear numbers ).Simple ,really.
I also prefer to use a proper calculator than those on my phone/tablet. They're just easier to use.
When are you ever in such a hurry that the 2 or 3 seconds it takes for you reach into your pocket, take the phone out and click one button on the phone to see the time. Some people must live their lives by the millisecond.
The phone isn't in my pocket. The phone is in my bag as it's less likely to fall out or get stolen.
Why should I take longer to find out what time it is than I need to? Are you a phone flasher or something?
Have you actually ever been mugged for your phone or walked into something whilst in the several seconds it takes to check your phone for the time or is this just more excuses and exaggerations?
No, because I mostly keep it in my bag and use my watch instead. I haven't been knocked down by a car either but I'm well aware it happens.
Well this is going to be an awkward one for you to explain away...
I also use my watch whilst I'm jogging/cycling as I record my times to measure my fitness. Carrying around a smartphone (which has a stopwatch) in my shorts is clunky and slows me down, also it isn't waterproof which becomes an issue on these miserable rainy evenings. Compare all that to using the chronograph that's strapped to my arm.....
Go on Wizard do your best, explain how I'm inconveniencing myself using my watch instead of my phone....
My smartphone does many useful things, but it's stupid to assume it's the most efficient and meaningful choice in all situations.
If I was in your situation and did a lot of jogging and I'd already got a smartphone, I'd probably buy myself one if these and strap it to my forearm...
Far cheaper than forking out on a fancy new watch. Plus you can get free running apps that record your distance,route, speed and heart rate etc.
Also the Sony Z1 and Z1 mini and soon to be Galaxy s5 are also waterproof to 1.5m for up to 30 minutes so I wouldn't have to worry about getting it wet.
I have a dedicated calculator too. But rarely need to take it with me. It's always lying around on my desk ready for use. And I have never had to charge it or change the batteries.
The alternatives on my PC would be to run MS calculator which is extremely cumbersome to use, and that's if the PC is even turned on and responsive. As for a tablet, well let's power one up... (long wait from full power off)... OK, Calculator:
Let's see: 1 divided by 3 is 0.33333333, fine; now times that by 3, I get 0.9999999. Minus 1, gives -1e-8. Not good enough I'm afraid; my Casio will do the proper rounding and has done for over thirty years: 1/3 is 0.3333333333. Times 3 is 1. Minus 1 is 0. And with instant response too. There are reasons why some people prefer dedicated gadgets.
Do you honestly think the examples you give, like the military operation that is picking your phone up, apply to many people? I'd wager that for most people a dedicated calculator would be superfluous, even if it was superior. Likewise, a dedicated watch seems superfluous to me, and hence not worth buying.
I've had my watch since mobile phones were half a kilo of clunkiness, about 20 years. The Nokia 5810 is long gone, the watch is still with me.
Same here, I'm still using a watch I bought when I was 20 (1983), on a daily basis.
Never had to change a battery, and as it's automatic, I've only had to wind it on a few occasions when I didn't wear it for a couple of days.
Because it's a decent make, it's still going strong. I've fallen down drunk wearing it, been in a road accident, came off a pedal bike a few times, swam wearing it... It's into it's 3rd strap, but the watch itself, and the casing, is still fine after 32½ yrs of almost daily use. I can't see many phones standing up to that.
I really can't see how a mobile phone would be more convenient for the purpose, apart from those people who walk round with a phone permanently in their hand.
Do I carry a phone too..??
Sometimes, but that's because I only carry a phone 'sometimes'.
I put my watch on when I wake up - It's habit now, I hardly realise I'm doing it, though my wrist does feel 'bare' without it - and apart from showering and bathing, it stays on until I go to bed.
Not to mention that my wristwatch will still work if I look at it in the pouring rain, whilst some smartphones have a tendency to expire (or at least their moisture indicator strips show water damage), if you have the timerity to use them near your mouth in cold weather, or take them out when it's foggy/misty.
I used to swim in the sea with my watch on. I could tell the time, and one of them could even tell me the temperature of the seawater! But because people are abandoning watches with these extra features, it's very difficult now to buy a simple, cheap watch with these other facilities. You can hardly find multiple alarm watches any more (I've had to start using an old watch that was in a drawer).
It isn't a minor convenience. It's a huge one. I don't have to dig around my bag to get out a device that could easily be nicked if I'm outside or on the tube, take it out of its pouch and wake it up just to tell the time. All I've got to do is look at my wrist.
My phone can be very useful but it's crap at giving me the time in a fraction of a second without risk to me of getting mugged or walking into a bus stop because I was too busy checking the screen.
I give it a 7.5 for humour but Bart is just edging you.
Correct. They seem to aim their products in the jewelry market so it's more likely that people who buy nice expensive watches are the kind of people who would rather have a fashion statement strapped to their wrists rather than the practicalities of just knowing the time.
It's not about expensive watches, just watches. You can pay what you like for one. If you can afford a nice one for the purpose, so what?
....and also were not concerned with non issues to try and come across morally superior and non materialistic on some online forum.
I think quite a bit of this is also jealously hidden behind a vague attempt at a morally superior viewpoint.
Who are you referring to, those suggesting watches are jewellery/fashion statements or those suggesting not wearing a watch equates to having your phone glued to your face all day? Because you seem to be agreeing with, and saying "we aren't concerned with trying to sound superior" to, someone who is doing exactly that.
Who are you referring to, those suggesting watches are jewellery/fashion statements or those suggesting not wearing a watch equates to having your phone glued to your face all day? Because you seem to be agreeing with, and saying "we aren't concerned with trying to sound superior" to, someone who is doing exactly that.
I'm aiming at those with a particular viewpoint that watches are bought purely to make a fashion statement...
I don't agree with statement that not owning a watch means you have a smartphone stuck to your palm all day.
I'd wager that for most people a dedicated calculator would be superfluous, even if it was superior.
It is. So are most things when you have a dedicated gadget for them, instead of the crappy, second-rate substitutes you get inside a smartphone.
Likewise, a dedicated watch seems superfluous to me, and hence not worth buying.
Has someone in the street every asked you for the time? Do you then have dig around to show everyone where you keep your valuables (and how flash a phone you have), or do you pretend you don't have a phone?
You really don't see how your post is a bit far fetched? You'd think owning a mobile phone was a death sentence!
Far-fetched? This from October last year:
A massive rise in phone theft in London has prompted police to launch a massive crackdown in the city with more than 5,000 officers taking part.
The latest figures show around 10,000 mobiles are stolen per month in the capital, with half of the handsets taken iPhones.
The Met said the 12 per cent rise in personal theft in London is fuelled by an increase in the number of mobiles and gadgets being taken, accounting for nearly four in five incidents.
Young professionals aged between 20 and 30 are the most common victims, often targeted while they are out socialising or using public transport.
Didn't you realise the person you were agreeing with was attempting to look superior?
Yup....but in the context of the thread and some of the comments made I feel the 'I don't see the need for a watch' lot were far more guilty of trying to appear superior than the comment I expanded on.
Next time I'll post in isolation to avoid confusion....happy now?
....and also were not concerned with non issues to try and come across morally superior and non materialistic on some online forum.
I think quite a bit of this is also jealously hidden behind a vague attempt at a morally superior viewpoint.
I think its more to do with how rude it is when your talking to someone and they just stop to constantly check their phone. My young cousin is impossible to talk to, also staring at her phone and commenting on stupid pictures of cats or strange Japanese cartoons.
Here is a little thought exercise to help understand the issue.
Say you are in a crowded place, say a city shopping area etc. Now a huge great big fireball comes into view and its clear the Earth is about to be utterly destroyed. How many people will have their phones out filming it do you think?. Worrying isnt it. A whole generation of life tourists who exist only in facebook picture format and all thoughts rendered into 150 character limits.
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....and also were not concerned with non issues to try and come across morally superior and non materialistic on some online forum.
I think quite a bit of this is also jealously hidden behind a vague attempt at a morally superior viewpoint.
When are you ever in such a hurry that the 2 or 3 seconds it takes for you reach into your pocket, take the phone out and click one button on the phone to see the time. Some people must live their lives by the millisecond.
Have you actually ever been mugged for your phone or walked into something whilst in the several seconds it takes to check your phone for the time or is this just more excuses and exaggerations?
Gonna keep ignoring the harder questions eh Wizard? ;-)
I also prefer to use a proper calculator than those on my phone/tablet. They're just easier to use.
The phone isn't in my pocket. The phone is in my bag as it's less likely to fall out or get stolen.
Why should I take longer to find out what time it is than I need to? Are you a phone flasher or something?
No, because I mostly keep it in my bag and use my watch instead. I haven't been knocked down by a car either but I'm well aware it happens.
Those are the most annoying steps - I believe you can actually skip them if you use your mobile phone instead.
If I was in your situation and did a lot of jogging and I'd already got a smartphone, I'd probably buy myself one if these and strap it to my forearm...
www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B00DQOPCC8/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?qid=1396012449&sr=8-4&pi=SL75
Far cheaper than forking out on a fancy new watch. Plus you can get free running apps that record your distance,route, speed and heart rate etc.
Also the Sony Z1 and Z1 mini and soon to be Galaxy s5 are also waterproof to 1.5m for up to 30 minutes so I wouldn't have to worry about getting it wet.
Never had to change a battery, and as it's automatic, I've only had to wind it on a few occasions when I didn't wear it for a couple of days.
Because it's a decent make, it's still going strong. I've fallen down drunk wearing it, been in a road accident, came off a pedal bike a few times, swam wearing it... It's into it's 3rd strap, but the watch itself, and the casing, is still fine after 32½ yrs of almost daily use. I can't see many phones standing up to that.
I really can't see how a mobile phone would be more convenient for the purpose, apart from those people who walk round with a phone permanently in their hand.
Do I carry a phone too..??
Sometimes, but that's because I only carry a phone 'sometimes'.
I put my watch on when I wake up - It's habit now, I hardly realise I'm doing it, though my wrist does feel 'bare' without it - and apart from showering and bathing, it stays on until I go to bed.
I used to swim in the sea with my watch on. I could tell the time, and one of them could even tell me the temperature of the seawater! But because people are abandoning watches with these extra features, it's very difficult now to buy a simple, cheap watch with these other facilities. You can hardly find multiple alarm watches any more (I've had to start using an old watch that was in a drawer).
It's not about expensive watches, just watches. You can pay what you like for one. If you can afford a nice one for the purpose, so what?
I'd give yours a mark for insight but there isn't any.
Who are you referring to, those suggesting watches are jewellery/fashion statements or those suggesting not wearing a watch equates to having your phone glued to your face all day? Because you seem to be agreeing with, and saying "we aren't concerned with trying to sound superior" to, someone who is doing exactly that.
You really don't see how your post is a bit far fetched? You'd think owning a mobile phone was a death sentence!
I appreciate the subtlety of your humour. Perhaps I'm a watch wearer in spirit if not in action.
I'm aiming at those with a particular viewpoint that watches are bought purely to make a fashion statement...
I don't agree with statement that not owning a watch means you have a smartphone stuck to your palm all day.
Hope that it clears it up for you
Not sure how that fits with the current discussion but I'll throw that into the mix anyhow....
Didn't you realise the person you were agreeing with was attempting to look superior?
Has someone in the street every asked you for the time? Do you then have dig around to show everyone where you keep your valuables (and how flash a phone you have), or do you pretend you don't have a phone?
Far-fetched? This from October last year:
I wonder how many of them were checking the time?
http://www.london24.com/news/crime/met_launch_new_crackdown_on_phone_theft_as_figures_for_london_soar_1_2914311
Yup....but in the context of the thread and some of the comments made I feel the 'I don't see the need for a watch' lot were far more guilty of trying to appear superior than the comment I expanded on.
Next time I'll post in isolation to avoid confusion....happy now?
I think its more to do with how rude it is when your talking to someone and they just stop to constantly check their phone. My young cousin is impossible to talk to, also staring at her phone and commenting on stupid pictures of cats or strange Japanese cartoons.
Here is a little thought exercise to help understand the issue.
Say you are in a crowded place, say a city shopping area etc. Now a huge great big fireball comes into view and its clear the Earth is about to be utterly destroyed. How many people will have their phones out filming it do you think?. Worrying isnt it. A whole generation of life tourists who exist only in facebook picture format and all thoughts rendered into 150 character limits.