He lost his mum and now his daughter. Its all very sad and I feel for him, but he still didn't lose his ex wife she wasnt his wife anymore and he had a new partner and had done since the split years before.
Peaches herself said he was a embittered man. Paula said he was very dominant and Victorian father like figure in a lot of his outlook and she rebelled like a child in the end.
He even made the children go to school when Paula died. They never grieved in the way they should have.
He isnt a saint like so many on here seem to think. He is a normal man who made many mistakes.
He was fine to take ALL the kudos for live aid and never reminding people that Midge Ure was just as much a head man as he was.. Midge was pushed out by the media and Bob did nothing to stop that and was happy to take all the praise for it, that says a lot to me.
I like Bob but IMO he really isnt the saint people make him out to be and never was.
Geldof didn't get with his new partner immediately - Paula Yates was after Hutchence soon after she married Bob. In fact the manager of INXS warned her off but she took no notice. She pursued him as she had done Geldof earlier. Her badmouthing of Bob was awful; - he never criticised her publicly like that.
Peaches said he was bitter after the break up - and who wouldn't be? She felt he was trying to impose some sort of order, which Paula never did. She just paraded her new lover in front of small children and her 'rebelling' against Bob is just an excuse for her behaviour, which was pretty bad. She tried to blame Bob for Hutchence's suicide, but his own family thought she was putting too much pressure on him. She took drugs in front of her kids and when her body was found I think one of the little girls was there.
Like Diana, she has been sanctified after an early death, but. although her death was sad, particularly because of the children (what a nice birthday present that was for Pixie!) she did not behave as if her children came first, just Paula.
Geldof is the better person, and his family has certainly had its fair share of grief to deal with .
I have stayed out of this discussion for a while as some people on here seem unable to understand the nuances of my previous comments regarding the death of this unfortunate lady.
It is not 'nasty' or 'mean' to say that faux gruel is distasteful. Just because I have an opinion on this, does not mean I cannot feel empathy for her family - I can.
This thread has now turned from the calling of 'tragedy, tragedy' to speculation about her diet being the cause of her death. That is what this is really about for most people - not fake condolences, but the need to speculate on her death.
The term "grief porn" is favoured by those who wish to seem aloof and "edgy" about something like this. The excuse often given for being so "edgy" is, apparently, to "highlight the hypocrisy" or some other dribble like that.
Basically the sort of anally retentive, smug arses who would likely complain to the manager if they found you sitting in their seat in an otherwise empty cinema.
He lost his mum and now his daughter. Its all very sad and I feel for him, but he still didn't lose his ex wife she wasnt his wife anymore and he had a new partner and had done since the split years before.
Peaches herself said he was a embittered man. Paula said he was very dominant and Victorian father like figure in a lot of his outlook and she rebelled like a child in the end.
He even made the children go to school when Paula died. They never grieved in the way they should have.
He isnt a saint like so many on here seem to think. He is a normal man who made many mistakes.
He was fine to take ALL the kudos for live aid and never reminding people that Midge Ure was just as much a head man as he was.. Midge was pushed out by the media and Bob did nothing to stop that and was happy to take all the praise for it, that says a lot to me.
I like Bob but IMO he really isnt the saint people make him out to be and never was.
Regarding Band Aid, it would never have got off the ground without Geldof's efforts. It was he who contacted Midge Ure, and if Midge had turned him down he would have got someone else to do it. I've never read an interview yet where Midge had any sort of grievance about how he was perceived in the media.
You can find it sad, yes. That does not mean that you have to accept the almost complete turnaround of posters on what they thought of Peaches now she is dead. Many posters on here are expressing sadness where if she had been still alive would be expressing other sentiments entirely. It's hypocritical.
So what you're saying is that if you dislike someone then its not possible to be genuinely shocked or saddened if they were to die suddenly, or to feel sympathy towards their family and loved ones?
People who come out with this 'grief porn' crap, make me sick.
I'll be as damned sorry as I like for someone who's died, so just shut up about it. And if you don't like it, tough tit.
Well, precisely.
I reserve the right to feel sad and shocked about the death of someone in the public eye, or for the wanton murder of animals or even glad to the point of applauding for some person i've never met winning the prize on 'Pointless' etc.
We're human. We are allowed to express our emotions and thoughts about something like this without it being termed 'grief porn' or 'faux grief' or any of the other poncey, ridiculous terms that people who sit on their self-constructed pedestals casting scorn on those they deem 'unworthy' have come up with to justify their own self-centeredness and cynicism.
Before things like forums existed, there was the garden fence; or discussions with colleagues and friends. And people would still have been sharing their sympathy and shock, and speculation, irrespective of these new-fangled terms. It's called BEING A HUMAN BEING.
It's going to be a long and dreadful few weeks for the family as they await the results of toxicology. And if that comes up with nothing then they will be left with the horrible truth that they may never know what caused their loved one's death.
I do feel very sorry for them. Because I am a human being and despite my own cynicism and laothing of the human race (justified and reiterated, by the way, by the behaviour of some of those on this thread) I do actually have something called 'compassion'. Maybe those who bang on about 'grief porn' etc have heard of it?
I also feel sorry for those relatives who are still awaiting news of the missing Malaysian fllght. Or is that also 'grief porn'?
So what you're saying is that if you dislike someone then its not possible to be genuinely shocked or saddened if they were to die suddenly, or to feel sympathy towards their family and loved ones?
That seems particularly cold-hearted to me!
Not to mention immature. I mean, a teacher I didn't particularly like in school was killed in a road accident recently. I still thought it was terribly sad. Maybe a ten year old would think 'oh good, serve her right' but adults are usually able to distinguish between their personal feelings for someone, and the sadness of their dying suddenly.
I have stayed out of this discussion for a while as some people on here seem unable to understand the nuances of my previous comments regarding the death of this unfortunate lady.
It is not 'nasty' or 'mean' to say that faux gruel is distasteful. Just because I have an opinion on this, does not mean I cannot feel empathy for her family - I can.
This thread has now turned from the calling of 'tragedy, tragedy' to speculation about her diet being the cause of her death. That is what this is really about for most people - not fake condolences, but the need to speculate on her death.
On the day the news broke someone made a comment about peaches which I said was disingenuous and unnecessary. That poster reponded saying I did not understand the term disingenuous.
The posts were deleted but I'm sure it was you, not 100% but enough to raise the question. Was it?
I reserve the right to feel sad and shocked about the death of someone in the public eye, or for the wanton murder of animals or even glad to the point of applauding for some person i've never met winning the prize on 'Pointless' etc.
We're human. We are allowed to express our emotions and thoughts about something like this without it being termed 'grief porn' or 'faux grief' or any of the other poncey, ridiculous terms that people who sit on their self-constructed pedestals casting scorn on those they deem 'unworthy' have come up with to justify their own self-centeredness and cynicism.
Before things like forums existed, there was the garden fence; or discussions with colleagues and friends. And people would still have been sharing their sympathy and shock, and speculation, irrespective of these new-fangled terms. It's called BEING A HUMAN BEING.
It's going to be a long and dreadful few weeks for the family as they await the results of toxicology. And if that comes up with nothing then they will be left with the horrible truth that they may never know what caused their loved one's death.
I do feel very sorry for them. Because I am a human being and despite my own cynicism and laothing of the human race (justified and reiterated, by the way, by the behaviour of some of those on this thread) I do actually have something called 'compassion'. Maybe those who bang on about 'grief porn' etc have heard of it?
I also feel sorry for those relatives who are still awaiting news of the missing Malaysian fllght. Or is that also 'grief porn'?
Well some of you have really just turned this topic into a playground haven't you? While you're embroiled in your petty little arguments, maybe remember that two little babies will never know their mother for the rest of their lives?
What else is there to say when that should be such a bigger talking point?
I reserve the right to feel sad and shocked about the death of someone in the public eye, or for the wanton murder of animals or even glad to the point of applauding for some person i've never met winning the prize on 'Pointless' etc.
We're human. We are allowed to express our emotions and thoughts about something like this without it being termed 'grief porn' or 'faux grief' or any of the other poncey, ridiculous terms that people who sit on their self-constructed pedestals casting scorn on those they deem 'unworthy' have come up with to justify their own self-centeredness and cynicism.
Before things like forums existed, there was the garden fence; or discussions with colleagues and friends. And people would still have been sharing their sympathy and shock, and speculation, irrespective of these new-fangled terms. It's called BEING A HUMAN BEING.
It's going to be a long and dreadful few weeks for the family as they await the results of toxicology. And if that comes up with nothing then they will be left with the horrible truth that they may never know what caused their loved one's death.
I do feel very sorry for them. Because I am a human being and despite my own cynicism and laothing of the human race (justified and reiterated, by the way, by the behaviour of some of those on this thread) I do actually have something called 'compassion'. Maybe those who bang on about 'grief porn' etc have heard of it?
I also feel sorry for those relatives who are still awaiting news of the missing Malaysian fllght. Or is that also 'grief porn'?
Farcical. Really.
Exactly. I get the feeling from some posters (thankfully not many) that by expressing our sadness at Peaches death, we are being somewhat fake & that just baffles me, why would anyone not feel sympathy for a family that has suffered such an awful loss?
Geldof didn't get with his new partner immediately - Paula Yates was after Hutchence soon after she married Bob. In fact the manager of INXS warned her off but she took no notice. She pursued him as she had done Geldof earlier. Her badmouthing of Bob was awful; - he never criticised her publicly like that.
Peaches said he was bitter after the break up - and who wouldn't be? She felt he was trying to impose some sort of order, which Paula never did. She just paraded her new lover in front of small children and her 'rebelling' against Bob is just an excuse for her behaviour, which was pretty bad. She tried to blame Bob for Hutchence's suicide, but his own family thought she was putting too much pressure on him. She took drugs in front of her kids and when her body was found I think one of the little girls was there.
Like Diana, she has been sanctified after an early death, but. although her death was sad, particularly because of the children (what a nice birthday present that was for Pixie!) she did not behave as if her children came first, just Paula.
Geldof is the better person, and his family has certainly had its fair share of grief to deal with .
It was TigerLily, she was sleeping with the body Paula when the body discovered. The other girls where with Bob.
Of course.. but I still would not count it as my tragedy and my lose. I'm not saying Bob has said this or anything bad about him, just people on this thread going on and on about ALL his loses..
You would have to realise that is is a tragedy for the children. The whole situation was a tragedy for Bob and the girls, who watched Paula change from a loving, attentive mother, to a drug addicted, emotional, wreak, who was not fit to have custody of her children.
They watched her died for years before it happened. And Bob had to deal with all of that. Then bring up four children who had experienced the lose of their mother. So it was a personal tragedy for him, having children that were so upset.
Most people can feel empathy for others, which we see on this thread. People can put themselves in the shoes of others who are suffering, or at least begin to imagine what it would be like for their children/dad/spouse.
Some people can't feel empathy, which isnt a good thing for society or their own relationships.
There are some people who roll their sleeves up and help others in their hour of need. I flew 6000 miles to help someone I had never met. I also gave up a year of my life to help another person, I help people all the time its something I have done all my life.
So yes I have sympathy and empathy. I just feel that threads like these are just a sign of the times where some people cannot distinguish reality from soap opera.
Nothing wrong in posting to say its sad and your thoughts are with her family..
But when you get people going over minute details, trying to be police,coroner and armchair detective then it gets into the not so nice category. That is the part I am talking about.
Regarding Band Aid, it would never have got off the ground without Geldof's efforts. It was he who contacted Midge Ure, and if Midge had turned him down he would have got someone else to do it. I've never read an interview yet where Midge had any sort of grievance about how he was perceived in the media.
Not sure why you've linked to that. It doesn't show how this wouldn't have got off the ground without Bob, it is just Midge Ure wishing they had got as much recognition as Bob did, which is fair enough.
Still, it's not like Midge Ure didn't get recognition himself, he got knighted for example, it just seems that as well as part organising it, Bob was pushed to the front as the sort of charismatic spokesman, which obviously brought him more fame, and I think he did a good job in that regard.
He even mentions later in the article that he doesn't blame Bob at all and that Bob has seen that part of his autobiography and is fine with it.
Not sure why you've linked to that. It doesn't show how this wouldn't have got off the ground without Bob, it is just Midge Ure wishing they had got as much recognition as Bob did, which is fair enough.
Still, it's not like Midge Ure didn't get recognition himself, he got knighted for example, it just seems that as well as part organising it, Bob was pushed to the front as the sort of charismatic spokesman, which obviously brought him more fame, and I think he did a good job in that regard.
He even mentions later in the article that he doesn't blame Bob at all and that Bob has seen that part of his autobiography and is fine with it.
It was in reply to this
I've never read an interview yet where Midge had any sort of grievance about how he was perceived in the media.
Lets be honest here, the media wanted one front man and Bob let them.. He could have taken Midge right up there with him, if he had put his foot down, but chose not to.
Of course Midge would not have said anything against Bob that would have been career suicide and still would.
You can find it sad, yes. That does not mean that you have to accept the almost complete turnaround of posters on what they thought of Peaches now she is dead. Many posters on here are expressing sadness where if she had been still alive would be expressing other sentiments entirely. It's hypocritical.
I do find Peaches' death tragic, but I also admitted that I disliked some of the stuff
she did when she was alive (I didn't care for her show "OMG" for instance). I don't
think that makes me a hypocrite.
He lost his mum and now his daughter. Its all very sad and I feel for him, but he still didn't lose his ex wife she wasnt his wife anymore and he had a new partner and had done since the split years before.
Peaches herself said he was a embittered man. Paula said he was very dominant and Victorian father like figure in a lot of his outlook and she rebelled like a child in the end.
He even made the children go to school when Paula died. They never grieved in the way they should have.
He isnt a saint like so many on here seem to think. He is a normal man who made many mistakes.
He was fine to take ALL the kudos for live aid and never reminding people that Midge Ure was just as much a head man as he was.. Midge was pushed out by the media and Bob did nothing to stop that and was happy to take all the praise for it, that says a lot to me.
I like Bob but IMO he really isnt the saint people make him out to be and never was.
According to Wikipedia, Bob was supposed to have been sleeping with a Claire King while Paula had Fifi.
Before they married, the couple had a daughter, Fifi Trixibelle Geldof, born 31 March 1983 (and while Geldof was still conducting an affair with the young Claire King).
Geldof didn't get with his new partner immediately - Paula Yates was after Hutchence soon after she married Bob. In fact the manager of INXS warned her off but she took no notice. She pursued him as she had done Geldof earlier. Her badmouthing of Bob was awful; - he never criticised her publicly like that.
Peaches said he was bitter after the break up - and who wouldn't be? She felt he was trying to impose some sort of order, which Paula never did. She just paraded her new lover in front of small children and her 'rebelling' against Bob is just an excuse for her behaviour, which was pretty bad. She tried to blame Bob for Hutchence's suicide, but his own family thought she was putting too much pressure on him. She took drugs in front of her kids and when her body was found I think one of the little girls was there.
Like Diana, she has been sanctified after an early death, but. although her death was sad, particularly because of the children (what a nice birthday present that was for Pixie!) she did not behave as if her children came first, just Paula.
Geldof is the better person, and his family has certainly had its fair share of grief to deal with .
Lets be honest here, the media wanted one front man and Bob let them.. He could have taken Midge right up there with him, if he had put his foot down, but chose not to.
Of course Midge would not have said anything against Bob that would have been career suicide and still would.
Maybe. Anyone can speculate, but at the end of the day, I just don't see why it's that relevant really. Midge still got his knighthood, and he's done pretty well out of it, and people know who he is. There's probably some floor manager that worked bloody hard on live aid that hasn't been mentioned at all. I just think it's all a bit trivial really.
I find this idea being put about by some people in this thread, that you can only feel sorry for people you admire, absolutely and totally absurd. How does feeling sorry someone suddenly amounts to "sanctification"?
I did not care about Peaches career when she was alive and her legacy will not be improved simply because her ending was so sad, but it does not take away from the fact that i do think that what happened to her and her family is indeed tragic. In the big scheme of things she was an harmless individual, and the tributes to her reflect just that, I think the majority of us, thank God that this thread has proven me right, the exceptions confirm the rule, can feel empathy for people in the same circumstances even if they are just remotely familiar.
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Geldof didn't get with his new partner immediately - Paula Yates was after Hutchence soon after she married Bob. In fact the manager of INXS warned her off but she took no notice. She pursued him as she had done Geldof earlier. Her badmouthing of Bob was awful; - he never criticised her publicly like that.
Peaches said he was bitter after the break up - and who wouldn't be? She felt he was trying to impose some sort of order, which Paula never did. She just paraded her new lover in front of small children and her 'rebelling' against Bob is just an excuse for her behaviour, which was pretty bad. She tried to blame Bob for Hutchence's suicide, but his own family thought she was putting too much pressure on him. She took drugs in front of her kids and when her body was found I think one of the little girls was there.
Like Diana, she has been sanctified after an early death, but. although her death was sad, particularly because of the children (what a nice birthday present that was for Pixie!) she did not behave as if her children came first, just Paula.
Geldof is the better person, and his family has certainly had its fair share of grief to deal with .
Faux gruel? I'd imagine that imitation porridge was likely to be very distasteful indeed!
What a splendid analogy.
Regarding Band Aid, it would never have got off the ground without Geldof's efforts. It was he who contacted Midge Ure, and if Midge had turned him down he would have got someone else to do it. I've never read an interview yet where Midge had any sort of grievance about how he was perceived in the media.
I'll be as damned sorry as I like for someone who's died, so just shut up about it. And if you don't like it, tough tit.
So what you're saying is that if you dislike someone then its not possible to be genuinely shocked or saddened if they were to die suddenly, or to feel sympathy towards their family and loved ones?
That seems particularly cold-hearted to me!
Well, precisely.
I reserve the right to feel sad and shocked about the death of someone in the public eye, or for the wanton murder of animals or even glad to the point of applauding for some person i've never met winning the prize on 'Pointless' etc.
We're human. We are allowed to express our emotions and thoughts about something like this without it being termed 'grief porn' or 'faux grief' or any of the other poncey, ridiculous terms that people who sit on their self-constructed pedestals casting scorn on those they deem 'unworthy' have come up with to justify their own self-centeredness and cynicism.
Before things like forums existed, there was the garden fence; or discussions with colleagues and friends. And people would still have been sharing their sympathy and shock, and speculation, irrespective of these new-fangled terms. It's called BEING A HUMAN BEING.
It's going to be a long and dreadful few weeks for the family as they await the results of toxicology. And if that comes up with nothing then they will be left with the horrible truth that they may never know what caused their loved one's death.
I do feel very sorry for them. Because I am a human being and despite my own cynicism and laothing of the human race (justified and reiterated, by the way, by the behaviour of some of those on this thread) I do actually have something called 'compassion'. Maybe those who bang on about 'grief porn' etc have heard of it?
I also feel sorry for those relatives who are still awaiting news of the missing Malaysian fllght. Or is that also 'grief porn'?
Farcical. Really.
Not to mention immature. I mean, a teacher I didn't particularly like in school was killed in a road accident recently. I still thought it was terribly sad. Maybe a ten year old would think 'oh good, serve her right' but adults are usually able to distinguish between their personal feelings for someone, and the sadness of their dying suddenly.
On the day the news broke someone made a comment about peaches which I said was disingenuous and unnecessary. That poster reponded saying I did not understand the term disingenuous.
The posts were deleted but I'm sure it was you, not 100% but enough to raise the question. Was it?
*thumbs up*
Great post!
What else is there to say when that should be such a bigger talking point?
Straight to the point, well said.
Exactly. I get the feeling from some posters (thankfully not many) that by expressing our sadness at Peaches death, we are being somewhat fake & that just baffles me, why would anyone not feel sympathy for a family that has suffered such an awful loss?
It was TigerLily, she was sleeping with the body Paula when the body discovered. The other girls where with Bob.
You would have to realise that is is a tragedy for the children. The whole situation was a tragedy for Bob and the girls, who watched Paula change from a loving, attentive mother, to a drug addicted, emotional, wreak, who was not fit to have custody of her children.
They watched her died for years before it happened. And Bob had to deal with all of that. Then bring up four children who had experienced the lose of their mother. So it was a personal tragedy for him, having children that were so upset.
There are some people who roll their sleeves up and help others in their hour of need. I flew 6000 miles to help someone I had never met. I also gave up a year of my life to help another person, I help people all the time its something I have done all my life.
So yes I have sympathy and empathy. I just feel that threads like these are just a sign of the times where some people cannot distinguish reality from soap opera.
Nothing wrong in posting to say its sad and your thoughts are with her family..
But when you get people going over minute details, trying to be police,coroner and armchair detective then it gets into the not so nice category. That is the part I am talking about.
http://www.independent.ie/unsorted/features/live-aid-lying-intrigue-and-backstabbing-25895456.html
Not sure why you've linked to that. It doesn't show how this wouldn't have got off the ground without Bob, it is just Midge Ure wishing they had got as much recognition as Bob did, which is fair enough.
Still, it's not like Midge Ure didn't get recognition himself, he got knighted for example, it just seems that as well as part organising it, Bob was pushed to the front as the sort of charismatic spokesman, which obviously brought him more fame, and I think he did a good job in that regard.
He even mentions later in the article that he doesn't blame Bob at all and that Bob has seen that part of his autobiography and is fine with it.
It was in reply to this
I've never read an interview yet where Midge had any sort of grievance about how he was perceived in the media.
Lets be honest here, the media wanted one front man and Bob let them.. He could have taken Midge right up there with him, if he had put his foot down, but chose not to.
Of course Midge would not have said anything against Bob that would have been career suicide and still would.
I do find Peaches' death tragic, but I also admitted that I disliked some of the stuff
she did when she was alive (I didn't care for her show "OMG" for instance). I don't
think that makes me a hypocrite.
According to Wikipedia, Bob was supposed to have been sleeping with a Claire King while Paula had Fifi.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Geldof#Personal_life
It's rather good for hanging wallpaper though ;-)
Great post. I totally agree.
Did you not see my post?
Fair enough.
Maybe. Anyone can speculate, but at the end of the day, I just don't see why it's that relevant really. Midge still got his knighthood, and he's done pretty well out of it, and people know who he is. There's probably some floor manager that worked bloody hard on live aid that hasn't been mentioned at all. I just think it's all a bit trivial really.
I did not care about Peaches career when she was alive and her legacy will not be improved simply because her ending was so sad, but it does not take away from the fact that i do think that what happened to her and her family is indeed tragic. In the big scheme of things she was an harmless individual, and the tributes to her reflect just that, I think the majority of us, thank God that this thread has proven me right, the exceptions confirm the rule, can feel empathy for people in the same circumstances even if they are just remotely familiar.