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Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 shot down near Ukraine-Russia border

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    cris182cris182 Posts: 9,595
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    basdfg wrote: »
    Why are about 10 passports all in one pile in a pic shown on news websites.
    Surely they would not all land in the same spot like that considering most would be in bags anyway. Unless someone has collected them and photographed them.

    They often move or even add things to make scenes look even more dramatic (As if human life being lost isn't enough) Like placing a childs doll on a crash site to add to the drama

    So someone probably moved them and the snapped a pic
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    Parker45Parker45 Posts: 5,855
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    You would assume if this was an act by Russian separatists, the West would have to take some major action now.

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    Hopefully it will shock the combatants into saying enough is enough and start genuine talks to solve the situation peacefully.
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    apaulapaul Posts: 9,846
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    Why is Obama making lame jokes at a press conference? Really not the time and place.
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    DixDix Posts: 79,149
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    4 French and 23 US plus others. Going on vacation so Richard Quest said, which could be the case, and maybe some going back home to Malaysia. Although no firm data re how many US citizens were on the plane.
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    LostFoolLostFool Posts: 90,668
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    Thomas007 wrote: »
    The Ukraine interior minister claimed over 300 died along with these 23 US citizens. I would take these reports with a pinch of salt, the Sky News reporter suggested that it may well be propaganda to irritate/upset the Americans for political purposes.

    Well, AMS to KUL would be a reasonable route for anyone flying from the east coast of the US to SE Asia or onwards to Australia. Unlike MH370, I'd expect to see victims from many countries.

    This makes it harder for the US and other countries to keep out of what is happening in Ukraine.
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    basdfgbasdfg Posts: 6,764
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    The German Airline which I cant spell also said it was only now changing routes.
    Virgin Atlantic said it was changing some routes tonight implying it had been flying over Ukraine before now.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 36,630
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    d0lphin wrote: »
    Indeed, and for those who are saying that Malaysian Airlines cannot be held responsible, it was ultimately their decision for the flight to take that flight path.

    Sky News also mentioned this about an hour ago - other airlines avoid the area but Malaysian Airlines and a couple of other Eastern Airlines had been until today.

    Major airlines, including Air France, continued to fly over the area.

    And it seems so did Virgin and others who have just announced changes to their routes.
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    d0lphind0lphin Posts: 25,363
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    Ethel_Fred wrote: »
    BBC is saying it was a normal route.

    Yes, but other airlines had chosen to re-route following the incident on Monday, but Malaysian Airlines didn't.
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    dearmrmandearmrman Posts: 21,529
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    d0lphin wrote: »
    Indeed, and for those who are saying that Malaysian Airlines cannot be held responsible, it was ultimately their decision for the flight to take that flight path.

    Sky News also mentioned this about an hour ago - other airlines avoid the area but Malaysian Airlines and a couple of other Eastern Airlines had been until today.

    So why are Virgin & Lufthansa saying they will now be rerouting all aircraft away from the conflict zone.
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    basdfgbasdfg Posts: 6,764
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    LostFool wrote: »
    Well, AMS to KUL would be a reasonable route for anyone flying from the east coast of the US to SE Asia or onwards to Australia. Unlike MH370, I'd expect to see victims from many countries.

    This makes it harder for the US and other countries to keep out of what is happening in Ukraine.
    Would anyone on the East cost fly via Europe to Asia. Surely it would be cheaper going via the pacific.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 11,313
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    humanracer wrote: »
    BBC just showed a clip of Obama speaking at a fundraising event. He was pretty quick to move on from the subject and crack a few jokes. Guess you have to ligthen the mood somehow.

    But he's clearly stated which 'side' he's on.
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    DixDix Posts: 79,149
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    apaul wrote: »
    Why is Obama making lame jokes at a press conference? Really not the time and place.

    He was at a conference, when the news came through, so I'd say he was at the tail end of his speech, when he had to give another re the plane.
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    cris182cris182 Posts: 9,595
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    dearmrman wrote: »
    So why are Virgin & Lufthansa saying they will now be rerouting all aircraft away from the conflict zone.

    Maybe they felt they had rerouted enough, But with this today they are going even further out of the way
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    humanracerhumanracer Posts: 1,478
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    Dix wrote: »
    He was at a conference, when the news came through, so I'd say he was at the tail end of his speech, when he had to give another re the plane.

    It was at the start of the speech.
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    jenziejenzie Posts: 20,821
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    and our british government being incisive in saying it's QUITE A CONFUSED PICTURE!!!

    should have just shut the hell up
    >:(
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    d0lphind0lphin Posts: 25,363
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    dearmrman wrote: »
    So why are Virgin & Lufthansa saying they will now be rerouting all aircraft away from the conflict zone.

    I don't know. I was only posting what Sky News said an hour or so ago, obviously they were wrong!
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 36,630
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    dearmrman wrote: »
    So why are Virgin & Lufthansa saying they will now be rerouting all aircraft away from the conflict zone.

    Turkish Airlines and Aeroflot have just announces changes to their routes too.
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    stoatiestoatie Posts: 78,106
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    jenzie wrote: »
    and our british government being incisive in saying it's QUITE A CONFUSED PICTURE!!!

    should have just shut the hell up
    >:(

    What else are they supposed to say? If they say nothing people will be wanting to know why. I'd rather they made a statement saying the situation was confused than try to guess or make shit up.
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    humanracerhumanracer Posts: 1,478
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    jenzie wrote: »
    and our british government being incisive in saying it's QUITE A CONFUSED PICTURE!!!

    should have just shut the hell up
    >:(

    Our goverment is a joke to the world.
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    TheWireRulesTheWireRules Posts: 1,307
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    Why are they to refereed being "separatists" weren't they Russian's who came over the boarder masquerading as such? And it was obviously them they've been gloating about shooting down Ukrainian military planes for the last two weeks.

    Shooting down a commercial airliner, although by mistake, is a massive own goal for their cause.
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    DixDix Posts: 79,149
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    It does sound as if the Separatists used a rocket on the plane without realising it was a Commercial Passenger aircraft!
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    jzeejzee Posts: 25,498
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    housegirl wrote: »
    Ukraine's TSN channel has reported that 23 US citizens were onboard the plane.



    http://rt.com/news/173628-malaysian-plane-crash-ukraine/
    Obama's joking around a few minutes ago now not looking like such a good idea.
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    duckymallardduckymallard Posts: 13,936
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    CNN reported about 30 mins ago that the area the aircraft flew through is "restricted airspace" for commercial traffic.
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    Ethel_FredEthel_Fred Posts: 34,127
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    dearmrman wrote: »
    So why are Virgin & Lufthansa saying they will now be rerouting all aircraft away from the conflict zone.
    KLM itself was also apparently using the same route.

    It has been reported by people who looked at previous flightpaths for the aircraft and says that the routing is normally further south - but that it isn't unusual for the route to be different because of weather conditions
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    BelfastGuy125BelfastGuy125 Posts: 7,515
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    Why are they to refereed being "separatists" weren't they Russian's who came over the boarder masquerading as such? And it was obviously them they've been gloating about shooting down Ukrainian military planes for the last two weeks.

    Shooting down a commercial airliner, although by mistake, is a massive own goal for their cause.

    If it was them it is the end of their cause. If 23 USA citizens have been killed, you know the USA public won't stand for that and robust action will be demanded. This wouldn't be any Syria or Libya. For the US and also British public this would be Russian's (even though they are not technically) killing Western citizens.
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