I still have a horrid feeling Shirley was abused by Stan...he is Micks father....Shirley hated him when he first appeared in the Soap....he was a nasty man ...now all of a sudden he is made out to be a nice guy.....that would explain a lot of things...including why Shirley tried to drown Mick in the bath...
Im aure it was mentioned that babe was sylvies madam and used to be a madam for other prostitutes also. So it would make sense that babe and queenie were working together, babe ran the business and hired the girls and queenie was their enforcer so to speak and would hurt the girls if they disobeyed her. Would also make sense why hev was fearful of her as queenie may have threatened her with the same route.
Maybe they planned to kill the child and tell Shirley it had died, but something or someone stopped them.
I like this idea the most out of all the ones suggested in this thread.
At first I was thinking it'd be a child sex trade or a paedophile ring. But I don't think it'd make sense since Cora knows and didn't seem overly disgusted.
I was thinking the same thing. Or that maybe Babe was Heather's biological mother and Queenie took care of her (not legally adopting Heather).
I can see Babe as Heather's mother. Perhaps she tried to kill her and Queenie ended up being forced to take her on? Although I'm not sure of the point in anything too Heather-centric, as she's no longer in the show.
Maybe some sort of incest?
I wonder what the secret is. As others have said - it can't be THAT bad, otherwise Cora would have spilled.
I really hate any comments about physical appearance. We are all born as we are and (bar surgery) there's nothing we can do about that.
I can see Babe as Heather's mother. Perhaps she tried to kill her and Queenie ended up being forced to take her on? Although I'm not sure of the point in anything too Heather-centric, as she's no longer in the show.
Maybe some sort of incest?
I wonder what the secret is. As others have said - it can't be THAT bad, otherwise Cora would have spilled.
Give me an actress of Annette's quality over some blonde bombshell who is more wooden than a shop store dummy any day of the week.
Babe is a functioning psychopath - and I just love watching the evil old bitch manipulate people!
Shirley, Babe and Sylvie are simply wonderful to watch at the moment - give me their scenes over whining doormat (and '80s porn star hairstyle) Sharon and the endless King Philth 'owning' scenes every single time.
Shirley, Babe and Sylvie are simply wonderful to watch at the moment - give me their scenes over whining doormat (and '80s porn star hairstyle) Sharon and the endless King Philth 'owning' scenes every single time.
It baffles me how anyone could want Babe, Sylvie or Shirley to leave when the actresses give out such phenomenal performances! The three of theirs scenes on Friday were simply flawless and an absolute treat to watch. I find them much more watchable than some of the characters on the show and 1000 times more watchable than people like DVO.
I was thinking that Babe might have been performing illegal abortions too!
And Hev's horrible mum Queenie is involved too, ugh, that horrendous woman was absolutely vile to poor Hev. Hev should have still been here she would have loved the Carter-oke nights!
If Babe was performing 'illegal abortions' wouldn't see have just done this when she found about Shirley being pregnant? Rather than Sylvie chucking her down the stairs?
If Babe was performing 'illegal abortions' wouldn't see have just done this when she found about Shirley being pregnant? Rather than Sylvie chucking her down the stairs?
I don't know, but Babe and Queenie were doing something 'untoward' and maybe Shirley was too far gone to have an abortion so they chucked her down the stairs!
Maybe Shirley had twins and one was sold for cash . I know people say "wouldn't Shirl know if she popped out two babes?" but not if she was drugged up by Babe and the babies came quickly enough after each other . Selling babies back then was not unheard of and quite lucrative in an era way before IVF etc .
I had thought of Stan being the daddy of Mick , but Stan would be very unlikely to confess that to Cora . Plus Cora was too chirpy/smiley when getting in Babe's face "Stan told me about Ramsgate" before she left . She wouldn't be so upbeat talking of incest involving her dead fiance , would she ?
Maybe Shirley had twins and one was sold for cash . I know people say "wouldn't Shirl know if she popped out two babes?" but not if she was drugged up by Babe and the babies came quickly enough after each other . Selling babies back then was not unheard of and quite lucrative in an era way before IVF etc .
I had thought of Stan being the daddy of Mick , but Stan would be very unlikely to confess that to Cora . Plus Cora was too chirpy/smiley when getting in Babe's face "Stan told me about Ramsgate" before she left . She wouldn't be so upbeat talking of incest involving her dead fiance , would she ?
I agree with your 'baby selling' theory, they could have well been doing that and Shirley might have had twins and they sold one and if so Mick's got a twin somewhere.
I agree with your 'baby selling' theory, they could have well been doing that and Shirley might have had twins and they sold one and if so Mick's got a twin somewhere.
Actually that would very interesting and controversial.
I don't know, but Babe and Queenie were doing something 'untoward' and maybe Shirley was too far gone to have an abortion so they chucked her down the stairs!
Oh yes, Shirley was quite far along by the time they realized she was pregnant, so that again, would make sense.
Calling it now. Babe and Queenie were pimping kids out. Ever wondered why Queenie called Heather a "pig"? It wasn't just for her weight. Heather's self-esteem issues stemmed from both her weight and abuse she suffered.
Some of the ideas are here are probably more interesting than what it will actually be, but they would be very controversial and potentially very good.
When Babe and Sylvie were arguing, one of them, Babe, I think, referred to "down there" with a nod and a downward look and I automatically thought she was referring to the lower part of the body rather than a place where the caravan was.
Do the Carters always have to have at least one secret on the brink of being exposed? Just when we think we know they have all come out, another one is alluded to. That family needs time to breath and to deal with all the secrets we've had revealed so far, not yet another one brewing before the dust has settled.
I also think Babe never did work for the Navy and this was just a cover story for whilst she was away doing something else...I would say she was in prison but then Sylvie threatened to report her so not sure
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Even better? I don't think so.
I like this idea the most out of all the ones suggested in this thread.
At first I was thinking it'd be a child sex trade or a paedophile ring. But I don't think it'd make sense since Cora knows and didn't seem overly disgusted.
I really hate any comments about physical appearance. We are all born as we are and (bar surgery) there's nothing we can do about that.
I can see Babe as Heather's mother. Perhaps she tried to kill her and Queenie ended up being forced to take her on? Although I'm not sure of the point in anything too Heather-centric, as she's no longer in the show.
Maybe some sort of incest?
I wonder what the secret is. As others have said - it can't be THAT bad, otherwise Cora would have spilled.
Give me an actress of Annette's quality over some blonde bombshell who is more wooden than a shop store dummy any day of the week.
Babe is a functioning psychopath - and I just love watching the evil old bitch manipulate people!
1000% agree.
Shirley, Babe and Sylvie are simply wonderful to watch at the moment - give me their scenes over whining doormat (and '80s porn star hairstyle) Sharon and the endless King Philth 'owning' scenes every single time.
It baffles me how anyone could want Babe, Sylvie or Shirley to leave when the actresses give out such phenomenal performances! The three of theirs scenes on Friday were simply flawless and an absolute treat to watch. I find them much more watchable than some of the characters on the show and 1000 times more watchable than people like DVO.
And Hev's horrible mum Queenie is involved too, ugh, that horrendous woman was absolutely vile to poor Hev. Hev should have still been here she would have loved the Carter-oke nights!
I don't know, but Babe and Queenie were doing something 'untoward' and maybe Shirley was too far gone to have an abortion so they chucked her down the stairs!
I had thought of Stan being the daddy of Mick , but Stan would be very unlikely to confess that to Cora . Plus Cora was too chirpy/smiley when getting in Babe's face "Stan told me about Ramsgate" before she left . She wouldn't be so upbeat talking of incest involving her dead fiance , would she ?
I agree with your 'baby selling' theory, they could have well been doing that and Shirley might have had twins and they sold one and if so Mick's got a twin somewhere.
Actually that would very interesting and controversial.
Oh yes, Shirley was quite far along by the time they realized she was pregnant, so that again, would make sense.
It would indeed!
Case closed.
Some of the ideas are here are probably more interesting than what it will actually be, but they would be very controversial and potentially very good.
....with a piggy nose!
Unnecessary.