Yes it is! The parent does their bloody job and restricts the child's internet use and supervises them whilst they are on it.
Typical of todays weak parenting where they do sod all and then expect everyone else to do their job. It is no one else's responsibility and it's that sort of thinking that should be looked at and changed with serious consequences for irresponsible parents.
There are ways of ensuring children don't have access to 'dodgy' sites even when you aren't able to look over their shoulder 24/7. My daughter has NetIntelligence installed on her PC, she can't even update adobe without me putting a password in (which she doesn't have access to) let alone go onto any dubious websites. I've tested it when she first got the laptop, it most definitely wasn't letting me onto any of the (deliberately) dubious sites I tried.
She also has a sub-account attached to my Microsoft account, which sends me a detailed weekly report of exactly what she's been doing online. From that I see she listens to Spotify whilst playing wordsearch and other child-friendly games.
Each browser also has safety extensions which are turned on, YouTube is in safety mode only and there are many other ways of keeping the net safe. She's also not allowed to use the computer out of sight and earshot of me. Currently she's watching episodes of SuperNanny, as she finds the tantrums hysterical
As you say, parents should be taking responsibility.
What a hilarious way to increase bank fraud by ten fold.
Government sponsered bank fraud.
Next they will be suggesting they do our voting for us, as we aren't responsible enough to do it ourselves and they know best Take it out of the public's hands altogether.
My children have their own pc in the living room where it would be very awkward for them to view porn, And their mobiles have a filter on data connection (when they have credit they waste it quick)
That's your problem. Read muggins14 above, who manages it. More down to laziness of the parents than it being impractical, methinks.
This 'laziness of parents' bandied about often annoys me, as a high proportion of parents are not lazy, many out there do all the things I do, it's just a case - again - of tarring everybody with a few peoples' brushes unfortunately.
There are more responsible parents than not, I'd wager, all out there being proactive about protecting their kids online, teaching their children manners, helping with homework, feeding and clothing their kids, working their hardest in a quiet, unassuming, non-headline-making way to bring their kids up to be good people
ETA: After all, all of these extensions, safety measures, etc. wouldn't exist if people weren't using them, surely?
I mean I don't mean to be blunt, but like 13 year olds have been looking at porn since it was first invented. Society hasn't collapsed. Sex offenses exist and would continue to exist even if all porn viewing was punishable by firing squad.
Give Dave a break, what would he know about real life anyway? It's not like he's ever had to suffer a normal job, he inherited his money from someone who used tax havens.
The one thing I thought would bring him down to earth and back into the p0rn fold was having to look at Samantha over the cornflakes every morning.
Just goes to show how wrong a guy can be
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The so-called voluntary filters have just been proven as the mere stepping stone many predicted. They are now pushing the blacklist method, a method they said they had no plans for only a couple of years ago.
Every demand that has been met has been followed by further demands.
Interesting that this comes soon after the government tried to torpedo a Labour bill in the house of lords that has similar ideas.
The so-called voluntary filters have just been proven as the mere stepping stone many predicted. They are now pushing the blacklist method, a method they said they had no plans for only a couple of years ago.
Every demand that has been met has been followed by further demands.
Didn't take long did it?!
Just yesterday it was only going to be an opt in filter we were told and the government's minions argued and mocked anyone who suggested otherwise.
What's the point now that the ISPs have been made to filter connections by default?
This will probably go the same way as his ban encryption idea. It would be better if he consulted the experts before releasing his policy proposal though. It would save embarrassment for himself later.
Voters. It pleases middle England, blue-rinse, older people, Dail Mail readers, who regard the internet as a hotbed of perverts, terrorists, benefits-claimants and druggies, and SOMETHING MUST BE DONE. It's been many decades (1950s, perhaps) since bills/laws/measures were introduced based on their worth for the country per se. Now it's always how many voters will a measure attract.
Give Dave a break, what would he know about real life anyway? It's not like he's ever had to suffer a normal job, he inherited his money from someone who used tax havens.
The one thing I thought would bring him down to earth and back into the p0rn fold was having to look at Samantha over the cornflakes every morning.
Just goes to show how wrong a guy can be
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I think Samantha's OK! She was very hot when she was younger.... there are photos of her at Uni and stuff. Maybe Dave's into something which comes under his "extreme porn" category, and Samantha won't say yes?
Do you have any idea how much porn their is on the internet? Clearly you and Dave are int eh same boat of having zero understanding of how the internet works, how big it is, how it all connects. Good luck trying to control the internet, because that has worked so well over the years...........
I really don't think this is the way forward, not every adult site has porn content, some is merely objectionable, old Dave does have some silly ideas!
Also, I think he needs to sort that little matter out in his own "home" first, as those "hard working MPs" in Westmonster are still accessing porn in there.
Wouldn't a step in the right direction be to get parents to actually do their job and parent their children instead of thinking everyone else should do their job?
The internet IS outside the laws of this narrow-minded country as the UK doesn't own the internet.
But you seem to be of the opinion that forcing your opinion on others is a correct thing and so you will never understand what is fundamentally wrong with that either.
Mothers frowned upon if they would like to be sahm, access to technology, even via ruddy phones, adults having their authority completely undermined by society at every turn with kids knowing their rights. I certainly found parenting my older two kids of 28 and 25yrs far simpler than my 18 and 16 yr old. What was ok then is frowned upon now. I find that first paragraph unrealistic and unfair.
Parenting was seen as an extremely respectable occupation in times gone by, now you're expected to give birth and get back to the work force, while chucking the kid into childcare, which costs more than your mortgage. If you don't you're seen as lazy-err nothing easy about being a full time parent, whatever propaganda is put out there.
This government won't let us be adults, we're being treated like the kids, typical Dave this newest thing-he's a control freak with no concept of reality, the most clueless, yet ruthless wally ever.
Pre the internet, people used to be sent to prison for `selling` the type of porn that every 13 year old boy now has access to. The widespread availability of hardcore porn has not seen society fall apart. In fact things have got better. These people were persecuted (and prosecuted) for no good reason apart from Tory prejudice about sex.
The government should concentrate of doing what they already have promised, before they start new pie in the sky, pointless schemes.
Do you have any idea how much porn their is on the internet? Clearly you and Dave are int eh same boat of having zero understanding of how the internet works, how big it is, how it all connects. Good luck trying to control the internet, because that has worked so well over the years...........
Placing walls to contain ideas such as authoritarianism whether physical or electronic will never work whilst the prospect and hope of freedom is available outside of it. People will evade and bypass the walls until it crumbles and falls. Cameron is going to allow history to repeat itself in the online realm.
adults having their authority completely undermined by society at every turn with kids knowing their rights.
They can "know" whatever they like, you're still the parent and as such it's your decision what they are allowed. Don't give your kid a smartphone, get them an old nokia with no internet and keep the family computer downstairs, so that you can supervise them when they are using the internet. Do that until you're sure they can be trusted independently.
When I was young I was allowed a short amount of time on the internet each night and was supervised by my parents. Eventually they realized I was mature enough not to need that any more so I was allowed on it whenever I wanted. That worked out fine, just parents taking a bit of responsibility for their own child, not expecting society to change to make their life a bit easier.
They can "know" whatever they like, you're still the parent and as such it's your decision what they are allowed. Don't give your kid a smartphone, get them an old nokia with no internet and keep the family computer downstairs, so that you can supervise them when they are using the internet. Do that until you're sure they can be trusted independently.
When I was young I was allowed a short amount of time on the internet each night and was supervised by my parents. Eventually they realized I was mature enough not to need that any more so I was allowed on it whenever I wanted. That worked out fine, just parents taking a bit of responsibility for their own child, not expecting society to change to make their life a bit easier.
I do take responsibility and there have always been rules and less devices in my house in relation to their friends, but school and society do not back up discipline outside of home rules in the same way. Up until 2013, there was only one PC in the house, in a downstairs room, supervised. It's the change in society with all it's 'Prince/Princess on Board' attitude to kids that's the problem.
Having raised kids in two different eras, I don't feel that society has improved, I think on the one hand you rightly are expected to be responsible for yourselves and kids, while on the other not trusted to make any decisions as an adult, especially where health and safety and topics such as this crop up. Quite contradictory.
The older three are adults, two don't live at home and of course buy their own phones, but actually the youngest had an old Samsung with only phone and text, which broke last year. He's got a second hand battered phone of his Dad's, no iPhone, just a phone, which has internet, but is rubbish as it's old.
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She also has a sub-account attached to my Microsoft account, which sends me a detailed weekly report of exactly what she's been doing online. From that I see she listens to Spotify whilst playing wordsearch and other child-friendly games.
Each browser also has safety extensions which are turned on, YouTube is in safety mode only and there are many other ways of keeping the net safe. She's also not allowed to use the computer out of sight and earshot of me. Currently she's watching episodes of SuperNanny, as she finds the tantrums hysterical
As you say, parents should be taking responsibility.
That's your problem. Read muggins14 above, who manages it. More down to laziness of the parents than it being impractical, methinks.
This 'laziness of parents' bandied about often annoys me, as a high proportion of parents are not lazy, many out there do all the things I do, it's just a case - again - of tarring everybody with a few peoples' brushes unfortunately.
There are more responsible parents than not, I'd wager, all out there being proactive about protecting their kids online, teaching their children manners, helping with homework, feeding and clothing their kids, working their hardest in a quiet, unassuming, non-headline-making way to bring their kids up to be good people
ETA: After all, all of these extensions, safety measures, etc. wouldn't exist if people weren't using them, surely?
I mean I don't mean to be blunt, but like 13 year olds have been looking at porn since it was first invented. Society hasn't collapsed. Sex offenses exist and would continue to exist even if all porn viewing was punishable by firing squad.
To be fair, the BBFC have been doing that for years.
The one thing I thought would bring him down to earth and back into the p0rn fold was having to look at Samantha over the cornflakes every morning.
Just goes to show how wrong a guy can be
:kitty:
Every demand that has been met has been followed by further demands.
Interesting that this comes soon after the government tried to torpedo a Labour bill in the house of lords that has similar ideas.
Didn't take long did it?!
Just yesterday it was only going to be an opt in filter we were told and the government's minions argued and mocked anyone who suggested otherwise.
It would be funny if it was not so tragic.
Stick to playing the biscuit game with Georgy Porgy and the rest of the Eton Mafia Dave.
This will probably go the same way as his ban encryption idea. It would be better if he consulted the experts before releasing his policy proposal though. It would save embarrassment for himself later.
Voters. It pleases middle England, blue-rinse, older people, Dail Mail readers, who regard the internet as a hotbed of perverts, terrorists, benefits-claimants and druggies, and SOMETHING MUST BE DONE. It's been many decades (1950s, perhaps) since bills/laws/measures were introduced based on their worth for the country per se. Now it's always how many voters will a measure attract.
I think Samantha's OK! She was very hot when she was younger.... there are photos of her at Uni and stuff. Maybe Dave's into something which comes under his "extreme porn" category, and Samantha won't say yes?
Do you have any idea how much porn their is on the internet? Clearly you and Dave are int eh same boat of having zero understanding of how the internet works, how big it is, how it all connects. Good luck trying to control the internet, because that has worked so well over the years...........
Also, I think he needs to sort that little matter out in his own "home" first, as those "hard working MPs" in Westmonster are still accessing porn in there.
Dale likes his Cobra meetings. Makes him feel like one of the big boys.
Mothers frowned upon if they would like to be sahm, access to technology, even via ruddy phones, adults having their authority completely undermined by society at every turn with kids knowing their rights. I certainly found parenting my older two kids of 28 and 25yrs far simpler than my 18 and 16 yr old. What was ok then is frowned upon now. I find that first paragraph unrealistic and unfair.
Parenting was seen as an extremely respectable occupation in times gone by, now you're expected to give birth and get back to the work force, while chucking the kid into childcare, which costs more than your mortgage. If you don't you're seen as lazy-err nothing easy about being a full time parent, whatever propaganda is put out there.
This government won't let us be adults, we're being treated like the kids, typical Dave this newest thing-he's a control freak with no concept of reality, the most clueless, yet ruthless wally ever.
The government should concentrate of doing what they already have promised, before they start new pie in the sky, pointless schemes.
His hostility to all things technological is truly a sight to behold.
They can "know" whatever they like, you're still the parent and as such it's your decision what they are allowed. Don't give your kid a smartphone, get them an old nokia with no internet and keep the family computer downstairs, so that you can supervise them when they are using the internet. Do that until you're sure they can be trusted independently.
When I was young I was allowed a short amount of time on the internet each night and was supervised by my parents. Eventually they realized I was mature enough not to need that any more so I was allowed on it whenever I wanted. That worked out fine, just parents taking a bit of responsibility for their own child, not expecting society to change to make their life a bit easier.
I do take responsibility and there have always been rules and less devices in my house in relation to their friends, but school and society do not back up discipline outside of home rules in the same way. Up until 2013, there was only one PC in the house, in a downstairs room, supervised. It's the change in society with all it's 'Prince/Princess on Board' attitude to kids that's the problem.
Having raised kids in two different eras, I don't feel that society has improved, I think on the one hand you rightly are expected to be responsible for yourselves and kids, while on the other not trusted to make any decisions as an adult, especially where health and safety and topics such as this crop up. Quite contradictory.
The older three are adults, two don't live at home and of course buy their own phones, but actually the youngest had an old Samsung with only phone and text, which broke last year. He's got a second hand battered phone of his Dad's, no iPhone, just a phone, which has internet, but is rubbish as it's old.
That was just to get their foot in the door.