Going to ccl tomorrow to get win 10. Got so sick of vista taking an absolute age to load up even then I get the not responding when opening something and screen goes white.
A Vista age computer is going to be an iffy upgrade. Check your specs first. Seriously.
A lot of people are going to debate at what point it's worth the upgrade. I say a dual core processor--even one of the earliest ones--and 2GB of RAM. The graphics processor is a lot harder to check out, since the support of those older ones is all over the place in Win10. Seems to me that Intel Integrated Graphics from that age are being supported pretty well, but the other brands seem to vary a lot.
A Vista age computer is going to be an iffy upgrade. Check your specs first. Seriously.
A lot of people are going to debate at what point it's worth the upgrade. I say a dual core processor--even one of the earliest ones--and 2GB of RAM. The graphics processor is a lot harder to check out, since the support of those older ones is all over the place in Win10. Seems to me that Intel Integrated Graphics from that age are being supported pretty well, but the other brands seem to vary a lot.
I have seen reviews which say it runs better than vista, but whether that is the norm is anybody's guess.
However, OP could make a full system image backup, then do a clean install of windows 10. It will not activate, but he would have 30 days to check it out.
Recommend he does this before parting with his dosh.
If it does not work, reinstate vista from image backup.
I have seen reviews which say it runs better than vista, but whether that is the norm is anybody's guess.
However, OP could make a full system image backup, then do a clean install of windows 10. It will not activate, but he would have 30 days to check it out.
Recommend he does this before parting with his dosh.
If it does not work, reinstate vista from image backup.
Well my point was he's seemingly paying retail. I suppose he can get his money back, but it depends on the store's policy.
So establishing if there are realistic stats BEFOREHAND is a good idea. Why bother even buying it if it's going to run like rubbish. The same money could buy half of a new computer.
Though if you are a heavy user of Microsoft applications you will find that a lot of newer ones (from the last year or so) require Windows 7 or higher.
"Can you" and "should you" are two totally different things though.
The article does not say it runs better on that era's PCs than Vista. It says it RUNS. That it boots better on those systems than Win 7 or 8. Not better than Vista.
"Can you" and "should you" are two totally different things though.
The article does not say it runs better on that era's PCs than Vista. It says it RUNS. That it boots better on those systems than Win 7 or 8. Not better than Vista.
Was only joking - it was just an amusing article. Would not be much point in upgrading a Vista PC as you would have to buy a full 10 licence anyway.
You can buy a better spec secondhand 7 pc for less than that in gumtree and upgrade for free (just checked my local area loads @ c. £85 region).
Windows 10 phones may be demoed around October, but nothing concrete I have heard or seen so far and couldn't tell you more than that even if I knew.
Still it runs well on previous ones and we have tested plenty.
There are big differences between the versions, much like the OS.
Although a small market, the people who use windows phones are really positive about the interface and the apps we write for them and are enjoying the new options we can 'in preview' throw at them soon. They are liking now the expansion of the MS ecosystem and the collaboration toolset and also the links into other ecosystems.
It may be a small market (it is for us in app dev), but MS are making it easier now for these apps to mature and work and port and whatever to windows 8 through 10 in all forms
Must admit though, we are still getting a push off from many of our clients for apps on windows 10, but that is slowly looking to change and I expect early next year I will say you may well see a lot more. It is really not in many current plans at the moment (market dictates and all that) and iOS9, OSX and Lollipop (well some thoughts on the Marshmallow) are any app developers future focus and their client at this time. There are of course all the smart tv/box system apps too, that are currently a growing and fast moving target.
PS: I'm not fan of windows phone mind, so don't get the wrong stick, compared to Android and iOS for me its too left field. As for the latter for me they are pretty much hardware and software on a par now to make no difference.
Convincing the public towards MS new strategy will be hard and we are still seeing it now, with their first big big push to their new Satya world, its going to be a long hard journey for MS.
I suppose time will tell, but unless Windows 10 on phones is a lot different to the older Windows, I doubt it will change many people mind, it is still tiles and very little customisation, sure you can change the tiles around and change their size, but that is it, i presume on 10 people still have to scroll down the screen to get tiles that is out of view?
Apps is the problem, or the lack of them, will ten make a difference, I am not sure to be honest, If the apps on a windows phone is anything like what they got on Windows 10 on desktop, then they are going to be pretty naff.
i know a couple of people with Windows phones and that is how I tried one out and realised it was not for me, that is two people out of a fair few people, most others have got a Android based phone, with a few having a Apple phone and 4 people who got a non-smart phone.
i chose a Android phone mainly because of price and I liked the way it works, not that I really use much of the smart functions, which is why I said if my Nexus 4 goes belly up I may end up going back to a standard phone, not having any internet on it means I can cut costs by not having data on it or cut that part down. which I may do anyway, I use less than 200Mb most months.
Ecosystems may be ok on phones and tablets, but I do not see the point on a computer to be honest, just a way for MS to bring in more money.
People are acting cocksure they didn't, but really all you had to do to "accept" was navigate to the end of those information dialogues. The last thing it says is "your reservation is confirmed" and I bet people just didn't read that.
There was a way to CANCEL the reservation after that, but if people weren't paying attention and thought they were just reading some kind of "about" or "info" screen, of course they didn't cancel.
Ultimately it comes down to accurately reading what was presented. Knowing human nature I really feel people just zoned out reading those screens and didn't really register in their minds that this "info screen" WAS the reservation.
Ideally MS should have had some kind of "Are You Sure Y/N" screen and didn't. So we can knock them there. But the screens DID accurately say what was happening if you read the actual text (and that you COULD cancel).
There was nothing about registration when I looked at the info screens, I read everything and nothing there at all, in fact I did not even go to the end of the screens, i only read the first one.
Ecosystems may be ok on phones and tablets, but I do not see the point on a computer to be honest, just a way for MS to bring in more money.
Oh for goodness sake, of course its money, do you think these tech companies can make, support and improve this technology all for free. Free is nice, but they are offerings to buy you in, just like everything else in life. As the saying goes, "There is no such thing as a free lunch"
Competition has driven MS to offer W10 for £0, but pull you in to other paid services. Apple give away their OS, much like Google, but make their money as a service, the way of the world now. Plus taking a percentage on our 3rd party apps etc.
Buy a new pc now and it has MS 365 services on for a year, part paid by the OEM, and will get renewed at the end of the offer by the majority. 3rd party apps like dropbox and other services that come the same way, offer extra storage and entice the user for renewal.
The many MS office 365 services are huge and a real earner for them on both the consumer and business side. You may not use them, but a lot and I mean a lot do. Agreed at the moment MS lack the app enthusiasm from us all, but as I said above, it will change, its been tough against Apple and Google.
Also, the MS business 'ecosystem' tie in is probably the biggest in todays world for small, medium and large business PC environments, encompassing some leading business tools like exchange, sharepoint, power bi, skype for business and yammer (all of which we provide addons to, so we love it). This is how MS make a lot of their money too and you will no doubt every day use one of the MS services at work, play or shopping every day. And of course sending them loads of encrypted data all about you.
Regrettably, I think windows 10 in phones is doomed to failure, as it is is just a rebadged version of previous system emasculated version. If they do not have the ability to run desk top apps (even if in tablet only), then people will not be interested.
The first company that comes up with some kind of easy to use "wrapper" that makes desktop apps look like a Store app to Windows, would be on to a commercial winner, as then companies could easily port their apps to the Store at minimal cost. Then windows phones would be more attractive.
Another big disappointment is the alleged installation of Windows 10 on a raspberry PI 2 which was fanfared a few months back. It turns out, it is the windows 10 IOT system that is installed. This is a specialist developer tool, far beyond capability of most normal users.
I had an old Windows phone and to be honest I liked the look and 'feel' of the OS, this is perhaps why I've no problems with tiles now. I've little doubt that one evening after that 'one glass too many' I'll buy a W10 phone. I don't need it but I love gadgets and gizzmos...its only money
Oh for goodness sake, of course its money, do you think these tech companies can make, support and improve this technology all for free. Free is nice, but they are offerings to buy you in, just like everything else in life. As the saying goes, "There is no such thing as a free lunch"
Competition has driven MS to offer W10 for £0, but pull you in to other paid services. Apple give away their OS, much like Google, but make their money as a service, the way of the world now. Plus taking a percentage on our 3rd party apps etc.
Buy a new pc now and it has MS 365 services on for a year, part paid by the OEM, and will get renewed at the end of the offer by the majority. 3rd party apps like dropbox and other services that come the same way, offer extra storage and entice the user for renewal.
The many MS office 365 services are huge and a real earner for them on both the consumer and business side. You may not use them, but a lot and I mean a lot do. Agreed at the moment MS lack the app enthusiasm from us all, but as I said above, it will change, its been tough against Apple and Google.
Also, the MS business 'ecosystem' tie in is probably the biggest in todays world for small, medium and large business PC environments, encompassing some leading business tools like exchange, sharepoint, power bi, skype for business and yammer (all of which we provide addons to, so we love it). This is how MS make a lot of their money too and you will no doubt every day use one of the MS services at work, play or shopping every day. And of course sending them loads of encrypted data all about you.
Things have changed so much over the years, more so in the last 10 years, like we all knew that computers would become faster and smaller and we can see that with mobile phones, after all a smart phone is really a computer. I can understand this app things on smart phones after all, as you said the OS is given away from free, so they have to try and get there money back somehow. Saying that Google is not getting that much out of me, I only paid for 2 apps, but I did buy the phone from them, so I suppose that is more than what most would pay to Google.
MS is the one giving away Windows 10, no one asked them to, they are doing it for their own benefit, but that do not mean they have the right to spy on us. Talking about Office 365, i was chatting to someone a couple of weeks back that uses Google for everything, letters, spreadsheets, all stored on Google servers and he thinks it is ok. I also know of companies that tend to use Google and no doubt Office 365, that is scary as well.
I have a couple of documents on dropbox, because it makes it easier to get at, either via Linux or windows, but there is no way anyone would know what they are and also they are encrypted, and that is it. I can access online storage from MS and Google, I have about 40GB on onedrive I think and the only time I use it is to upload some video files so a mate can grab them and that is about it. I delete them once I get a text from him to say he have them. As for Google drive or what ever they call it, i have no idea what space i have on there, never used it.
i have a old version of MS office, but I have not installed it for ages, Libre office does what I want and I store all my documents on a pen drive, zip drive and my NAS.
I would never use any thing like office 365, after all it is a subscription, why would I want to pay to store my own documents?
I must admit, I have never seen office 365 on any new computers, not syaing it is not on there I just never seen it. MS office as a trial yes.
I use MS office at work and also the database goes through IE, I am getting spied on anyway at work, they use something called private Eye, but then I only use the computer to check stock, makes sure every thing have been scanned in and print out the odd ticket or advertising, so it makes little odds to me.
I use cash when I shop, so that sort that problem out with shopping, unless i get something online., which is not that often. Not sure what you mean about play, i tend to use Linux for most things, as I am at this moment, I use windows for video editing and that is it really, I do not play games apart from the the WiiU.
i am sorry if I do not fit in with other people in just following each other, like lemmings really, ready to fall off the edge, but I do like some privacy.
i do not like this new ecosystem thing that is happening to computers and as I have said if I did not need windows for Vegas, I would given it up ages a while back.
i chose a Android phone mainly because of price and I liked the way it works, not that I really use much of the smart functions, which is why I said if my Nexus 4 goes belly up I may end up going back to a standard phone, not having any internet on it means I can cut costs by not having data on it or cut that part down. which I may do anyway, I use less than 200Mb most months.
You could of course go much further by living in a tent, foraging for berries and scavenging for road kill. You would save a pot of money, but where do you draw the line?
Another big disappointment is the alleged installation of Windows 10 on a raspberry PI 2 which was fanfared a few months back. It turns out, it is the windows 10 IOT system that is installed. This is a specialist developer tool, far beyond capability of most normal users.
Yes would like to see a lot more of this.
Not sure iOT is ever going to be really intended as any sort of full blown windows. But it does seem to still be in its infancy at the mo.
I would like to build myself a weather server. I do that now for my weather stations at home that wirelessly report all kinds of data, but now depends on a desktop pc (running W10 of course ) but would be nice to just have a seperate 'raspberry pi' device with a wireless connection that sends the data out using the same/similar 'server' software I use now and I can call up and reboot remotely. Id also like to connect up all my ip cameras that I have at home in a similar way.
Probably can, but its not easy to achieve today, but iOT will be good for this and theh W10 variant of that will be great I think, rather than something like linux. But its been all so quiet on that front for quite a while.
You could of course go much further by living in a tent, foraging for berries and scavenging for road kill. You would save a pot of money, but where do you draw the line?
But bing maps and google maps will still be taking pictures of you from above.
A lot of the roadkill may be chipped, so will be tracked.
Another big disappointment is the alleged installation of Windows 10 on a raspberry PI 2 which was fanfared a few months back. It turns out, it is the windows 10 IOT system that is installed. This is a specialist developer tool, far beyond capability of most normal users.
That is what they said it would be, back when there was "fanfare". They haven't disappointed or deluded anyone, when they provided what was promised.
The attraction is that people with Windows programming knowledge can try some "embedded" stuff with minimal retraining
“What we’re talking about here is Windows 10 for IoT [Internet of Things]; there hasn’t been a statement about capabilities,” Upton explains. “We’re not necessarily talking about PowerPoint or the Windows desktop. Microsoft will make a statement on what exact capabilities they plan to bring to the device fairly soon.”
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A Vista age computer is going to be an iffy upgrade. Check your specs first. Seriously.
A lot of people are going to debate at what point it's worth the upgrade. I say a dual core processor--even one of the earliest ones--and 2GB of RAM. The graphics processor is a lot harder to check out, since the support of those older ones is all over the place in Win10. Seems to me that Intel Integrated Graphics from that age are being supported pretty well, but the other brands seem to vary a lot.
I have seen reviews which say it runs better than vista, but whether that is the norm is anybody's guess.
However, OP could make a full system image backup, then do a clean install of windows 10. It will not activate, but he would have 30 days to check it out.
Recommend he does this before parting with his dosh.
If it does not work, reinstate vista from image backup.
Well my point was he's seemingly paying retail. I suppose he can get his money back, but it depends on the store's policy.
So establishing if there are realistic stats BEFOREHAND is a good idea. Why bother even buying it if it's going to run like rubbish. The same money could buy half of a new computer.
The new Celeron(Bartrail Atom) laptops are hardly better than middling 2006 ones so in many ways the consideration is more likely to be cost.
You may need to watch out for this...
Google working to fix 64-bit Chrome crash in Windows 10 (10525).
Though if you are a heavy user of Microsoft applications you will find that a lot of newer ones (from the last year or so) require Windows 7 or higher.
http://www.lifehacker.co.uk/2015/08/06/can-you-run-windows-10-on-a-stupid-old-pc
"Can you" and "should you" are two totally different things though.
The article does not say it runs better on that era's PCs than Vista. It says it RUNS. That it boots better on those systems than Win 7 or 8. Not better than Vista.
Was only joking - it was just an amusing article. Would not be much point in upgrading a Vista PC as you would have to buy a full 10 licence anyway.
You can buy a better spec secondhand 7 pc for less than that in gumtree and upgrade for free (just checked my local area loads @ c. £85 region).
That brings back memories, my first PC was from MESH and had an Athlon, my case looked better than that though, grey I think and built like a tank.
Athlon the CPU for gamers, how times have changed.
I suppose time will tell, but unless Windows 10 on phones is a lot different to the older Windows, I doubt it will change many people mind, it is still tiles and very little customisation, sure you can change the tiles around and change their size, but that is it, i presume on 10 people still have to scroll down the screen to get tiles that is out of view?
Apps is the problem, or the lack of them, will ten make a difference, I am not sure to be honest, If the apps on a windows phone is anything like what they got on Windows 10 on desktop, then they are going to be pretty naff.
i know a couple of people with Windows phones and that is how I tried one out and realised it was not for me, that is two people out of a fair few people, most others have got a Android based phone, with a few having a Apple phone and 4 people who got a non-smart phone.
i chose a Android phone mainly because of price and I liked the way it works, not that I really use much of the smart functions, which is why I said if my Nexus 4 goes belly up I may end up going back to a standard phone, not having any internet on it means I can cut costs by not having data on it or cut that part down. which I may do anyway, I use less than 200Mb most months.
Ecosystems may be ok on phones and tablets, but I do not see the point on a computer to be honest, just a way for MS to bring in more money.
Yeah, me. I got rid of it again, if it comes again, I will make it so it can't be wrote to, maybe that would stop it.
There was nothing about registration when I looked at the info screens, I read everything and nothing there at all, in fact I did not even go to the end of the screens, i only read the first one.
Oh for goodness sake, of course its money, do you think these tech companies can make, support and improve this technology all for free. Free is nice, but they are offerings to buy you in, just like everything else in life. As the saying goes, "There is no such thing as a free lunch"
Competition has driven MS to offer W10 for £0, but pull you in to other paid services. Apple give away their OS, much like Google, but make their money as a service, the way of the world now. Plus taking a percentage on our 3rd party apps etc.
Buy a new pc now and it has MS 365 services on for a year, part paid by the OEM, and will get renewed at the end of the offer by the majority. 3rd party apps like dropbox and other services that come the same way, offer extra storage and entice the user for renewal.
The many MS office 365 services are huge and a real earner for them on both the consumer and business side. You may not use them, but a lot and I mean a lot do. Agreed at the moment MS lack the app enthusiasm from us all, but as I said above, it will change, its been tough against Apple and Google.
Also, the MS business 'ecosystem' tie in is probably the biggest in todays world for small, medium and large business PC environments, encompassing some leading business tools like exchange, sharepoint, power bi, skype for business and yammer (all of which we provide addons to, so we love it). This is how MS make a lot of their money too and you will no doubt every day use one of the MS services at work, play or shopping every day. And of course sending them loads of encrypted data all about you.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/06/microsoft_vacates_moral_high_ground_for_the_data_slurpers_cesspit
No explanations needed.
http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2015/08/21/microsoft_will_explain_only_significant_windows_10_updates/
The first company that comes up with some kind of easy to use "wrapper" that makes desktop apps look like a Store app to Windows, would be on to a commercial winner, as then companies could easily port their apps to the Store at minimal cost. Then windows phones would be more attractive.
Another big disappointment is the alleged installation of Windows 10 on a raspberry PI 2 which was fanfared a few months back. It turns out, it is the windows 10 IOT system that is installed. This is a specialist developer tool, far beyond capability of most normal users.
Things have changed so much over the years, more so in the last 10 years, like we all knew that computers would become faster and smaller and we can see that with mobile phones, after all a smart phone is really a computer. I can understand this app things on smart phones after all, as you said the OS is given away from free, so they have to try and get there money back somehow. Saying that Google is not getting that much out of me, I only paid for 2 apps, but I did buy the phone from them, so I suppose that is more than what most would pay to Google.
MS is the one giving away Windows 10, no one asked them to, they are doing it for their own benefit, but that do not mean they have the right to spy on us. Talking about Office 365, i was chatting to someone a couple of weeks back that uses Google for everything, letters, spreadsheets, all stored on Google servers and he thinks it is ok. I also know of companies that tend to use Google and no doubt Office 365, that is scary as well.
I have a couple of documents on dropbox, because it makes it easier to get at, either via Linux or windows, but there is no way anyone would know what they are and also they are encrypted, and that is it. I can access online storage from MS and Google, I have about 40GB on onedrive I think and the only time I use it is to upload some video files so a mate can grab them and that is about it. I delete them once I get a text from him to say he have them. As for Google drive or what ever they call it, i have no idea what space i have on there, never used it.
i have a old version of MS office, but I have not installed it for ages, Libre office does what I want and I store all my documents on a pen drive, zip drive and my NAS.
I would never use any thing like office 365, after all it is a subscription, why would I want to pay to store my own documents?
I must admit, I have never seen office 365 on any new computers, not syaing it is not on there I just never seen it. MS office as a trial yes.
I use MS office at work and also the database goes through IE, I am getting spied on anyway at work, they use something called private Eye, but then I only use the computer to check stock, makes sure every thing have been scanned in and print out the odd ticket or advertising, so it makes little odds to me.
I use cash when I shop, so that sort that problem out with shopping, unless i get something online., which is not that often. Not sure what you mean about play, i tend to use Linux for most things, as I am at this moment, I use windows for video editing and that is it really, I do not play games apart from the the WiiU.
i am sorry if I do not fit in with other people in just following each other, like lemmings really, ready to fall off the edge, but I do like some privacy.
i do not like this new ecosystem thing that is happening to computers and as I have said if I did not need windows for Vegas, I would given it up ages a while back.
You could of course go much further by living in a tent, foraging for berries and scavenging for road kill. You would save a pot of money, but where do you draw the line?
Yes would like to see a lot more of this.
Not sure iOT is ever going to be really intended as any sort of full blown windows. But it does seem to still be in its infancy at the mo.
I would like to build myself a weather server. I do that now for my weather stations at home that wirelessly report all kinds of data, but now depends on a desktop pc (running W10 of course
Probably can, but its not easy to achieve today, but iOT will be good for this and theh W10 variant of that will be great I think, rather than something like linux. But its been all so quiet on that front for quite a while.
But bing maps and google maps will still be taking pictures of you from above.
A lot of the roadkill may be chipped, so will be tracked.
That is what they said it would be, back when there was "fanfare". They haven't disappointed or deluded anyone, when they provided what was promised.
The attraction is that people with Windows programming knowledge can try some "embedded" stuff with minimal retraining
e.g. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/02/windows_10_raspberry_pi_2_eben_upton_interview/
“What we’re talking about here is Windows 10 for IoT [Internet of Things]; there hasn’t been a statement about capabilities,” Upton explains. “We’re not necessarily talking about PowerPoint or the Windows desktop. Microsoft will make a statement on what exact capabilities they plan to bring to the device fairly soon.”
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