Trade yes, but there's no guarantee that the playing field will be level - a big concern for farmers among others
There is no guarantee it won't be level bearing in mind the EU runs a very healthy trade surplus with the UK. If the EU wishes to impose tariffs etc on the UK post Brexit then so be it and it will get the same tariffs imposed on it.
There is no guarantee it won't be level bearing in mind the EU runs a very healthy trade surplus with the UK. If the EU wishes to impose tariffs etc on the UK post Brexit then so be it and it will get the same tariffs imposed on it.
There's no guarantees either way and with a possible referendum likely to be on us before England are on their way home having stuffed up in the footy this summer, not much time for such concerns to be addressed.
I can't see people gambling with their livelihoods if they have questions. I wouldn't. Would you?
Most MPs do once they get elected and that's not just confined to the Tories they all like to get back too snouts in the trough as soon as possible.
Promising you the earth near election day but that is ok because the general public cannot remember 7 days ago. The politicians know this and exploit it.
Promising you the earth near election day but that is ok because the general public cannot remember 7 days ago. The politicians know this and exploit it.
Rinse and repeat.
Insulting the intelligence of the entire electorate is pretty juvenile.
I'm not assuming anything. The point is the farmers know what the current system offers them. They've had zero assurances what the alternative offers.
Wouldn't you want assurances before opting out bearing in mind how easily farms can go under?
Well as every main party is determined to remain in who were expecting to give them assurances?. The idea post Brexit that the UK farming industry will collapse without the CAP is just scaremongering.
It is quite a straightforward decision. Do you want to be part of an expanding and more centrist EU with more powers being transferred from member states and the UK paying very large sums of money to subsidise other member states in what is basically overseas aid or do you want to be an independent country that is able to make its own decisions and laws without 27 other members saying if it can or not?
The UK could only make decisions on its own if it were outside the single European market. And if it were outside the single market a large number of companies, a large number of employees and a lot of external investment would be adversely affected.
Like lightening, the Tory cavalry try to turn a thread about Cameron into a thread about Labour. 5/10 for effort, 1/10 for effectiveness, 10/10 for loyalty.
There is no such thing as the British constitution, LakieLady, its just an invention of the British establishment. They do as they like.
Not in the sense that there is a US constitution, true, but it is made up of various elements including statutes, common law, parliamentary procedures and standing orders, codes of practice and all sorts of other odds and sods.
Or at least it was when I got my Brit Con o-level.
Lets ventilate and weigh-up the arguments but please don't just let newspapers and the media make up our minds for us. They all have axes to grind. As regards trade, yes, we used to be world leaders and also in manufacturing. That is no longer the case today, like it or not. So to pretend that we can still dictate to the rest of the world, let alone the EU, is nonsense. Be glad that we still do have friends out there, but be aware that if we turn on them and reject them they will reciprocate and turn on us. The name of the game must be co-operation and compromise otherwise we are heading for chaos and a very dark place. Our children will never forgive us.
No, I just find it funny that the Tory fanboys and fan girls cannot abide any negativity about the Conservatives and have to deflect. It's back to the old 3 point defence - attack tho OP, discredit the source and then deflect on to Labour. Quite sweet that the strategy hasn't changed over the years.
So who should MPs take the most notice of
a) Their leader
b) Party activists
c) Their constituency party
d) Their constituency electorate?
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Trade yes, but there's no guarantee that the playing field will be level - a big concern for farmers among others
There is no guarantee it won't be level bearing in mind the EU runs a very healthy trade surplus with the UK. If the EU wishes to impose tariffs etc on the UK post Brexit then so be it and it will get the same tariffs imposed on it.
Yes but farming is about 4% of the economy.
So farmers should cross their fingers and risk their livelihoods for a perceived greater good should they?
Dream on. Minus the guarantees that come with the European agriculture policy I'd expect the vast majority to play it safe.
There's no guarantees either way and with a possible referendum likely to be on us before England are on their way home having stuffed up in the footy this summer, not much time for such concerns to be addressed.
I can't see people gambling with their livelihoods if they have questions. I wouldn't. Would you?
Why assume they'd be worse off, the UK would be at liberty to make similar payments to farmers outside the EU.
I'm not assuming anything. The point is the farmers know what the current system offers them. They've had zero assurances what the alternative offers.
Wouldn't you want assurances before opting out bearing in mind how easily farms can go under?
Rinse and repeat.
Insulting the intelligence of the entire electorate is pretty juvenile.
Well as every main party is determined to remain in who were expecting to give them assurances?. The idea post Brexit that the UK farming industry will collapse without the CAP is just scaremongering.
The UK could only make decisions on its own if it were outside the single European market. And if it were outside the single market a large number of companies, a large number of employees and a lot of external investment would be adversely affected.
History has proven it.
Sadly predictable isn't it.
Maybe the EU would have a bigger problem if Britain gave farming subsidies larger than the EU currently do.
What can I say?
Not in the sense that there is a US constitution, true, but it is made up of various elements including statutes, common law, parliamentary procedures and standing orders, codes of practice and all sorts of other odds and sods.
Or at least it was when I got my Brit Con o-level.
Usually the answer of someone with something to hide, and true in this case.
So who should MPs take the most notice of
a) Their leader
b) Party activists
c) Their constituency party
d) Their constituency electorate?
e) their own conscience
MPs are supposed to do what is best regardless of any of the above.
They are representatives, not delegates.
Interesting concept, so what am I hiding exactly?