But it was given an easy slot to either find it's feet or fail - it's not like it was thrown against Strictly and expected to sink or swim (unlike last year!)
The point is... Take Me Out, besides a few episodes here and there such as the one when it had an XF lead-in, has never proven to be a regular 5m+ success. It launched with 3.6m off the back of an incompatible football post-match-analysis lead-in and has rated around 4.5m for most of its first three series. Hardly a big growing hit.
The point is... Take Me Out, besides a few episodes here and there such as the one when it had an XF lead-in, has never proven to be a regular 5m+ success. It launched with 3.6m off the back of an incompatible football post-match-analysis lead-in and has rated around 4.5m for most of its first three series. Hardly a big growing hit.
I would tend to agree with Sam where Take Me Out is concerned:
Take Me Out - Series Averages
Series 1 - 4.83m (January-February 2010)
Series 2 - 4.97m / 5.37m (December 2010-March 2011)
Series 3 - 5.22m / 5.49m (January-April 2012)
Series 4 - 3.47m / 3.69m (October-December 2012)
Series 5 - 4.43m / 4.68m (January-February 2013)
Series 6 - 4.13m / 4.36m (January-February 2014)
Lot of nonesense being talked about DW I see. It should have had a SCD boost apparently and lets ignore the fact it clashed in its entirety with XF for the first time ever. I was expecting a bit of a fall.
Merlin managed 5m opposite The X Factor. Doctor Who should have done better. Not the end of the world but the days of Doctor Who getting spectacular numbers during a regular series have gone.
So would I. A gentle climb followed by a gentle decline (excluding the series that faced Strictly).
Those stats (thanks DMN) proves what I was saying. Series 3 of TMO consolidated to 5.2m but as soon as it faced SCD, its ratings went down by about 1.5m. This proves that for a show to be able to hold up 4.5m or so against SCD, it needs to be the sort of show which can get 5.5m+ routinely anyway.
If it's ready I suspect we might see Jekyll and Hyde against Strictly on Saturdays next Autumn...
That's be interesting scheduling. If they could get Harry Hill to return with TV Burp (his movie struggled and musical failed so he might like some work, as long as they stick to 13 episodes - I think he hated the extended series) they may have a decent pre-X Factor line up.
17.30 Celebrity Chase
18.30 Jekyll and Hyde
19.30 Harry Hill's TV Burp
20.00 The X Factor
If The X Factor is only 90 minutes long they need something decent to follow it.
But will ITV really pitch a new family drama against Strictly?
Talking of drama have we heard any more about the rumoured Beowulf?
They need a comedian to host "Strictly" there's not enough of Claudia Winkleman wit to keep it going as Tess is there as a competent host. I think Norton would be excellent, I do wonder if the BBC would want Tess to step down too.
I would tend to agree with Sam where Take Me Out is concerned...
The point however was that Take Me Out is an example of a show that started badly and then grew something Samuel is sure doesn't ever happen on prime time on BBC1 or ITV any more. Certainly there's a case to be made that it hasn't sustained for long enough but that doesn't disprove the notion that if you just stick with a decent format it can grow an audience in prime time on ITV.
They need a comedian to host "Strictly" there's not enough of Claudia Winkleman wit to keep it going as Tess is there as a competent host. I think Norton would be excellent, I do wonder if the BBC would want Tess to step down too.
The BBC almost gave the job to Nick Knowles!!!!
Actually, Lionel Blair would have been a decent host as would Anton Du Beke.
That's be interesting scheduling. If they could get Harry Hill to return with TV Burp (his movie struggled and musical failed so he might like some work, as long as they stick to 13 episodes - I think he hated the extended series) they may have a decent pre-X Factor line up.
17.30 Celebrity Chase
18.30 Jekyll and Hyde
19.30 Harry Hill's TV Burp
20.00 The X Factor
If The X Factor is only 90 minutes long they need something decent to follow it.
But will ITV really pitch a new family drama against Strictly?
Talking of drama have we heard any more about the rumoured Beowulf?
Drama is slowly declining though. There's far too much of it! people want to be entertained.
Saturday 20th September - Consolidated
The X Factor - 9.69m (40.8%) / 9.94m (41.9%)
Doctor Who - 6.99m (29.6%)
Sorry Doctor Who fans, but 7,400 was the difference between you and the magical 7.00m.
Thanks DMN. I had a feeling that would happen, I think I'd have preferred it to be further away than to be so close and fail. Ah well, maybe next series.
Merlin managed 5m opposite The X Factor. Doctor Who should have done better. Not the end of the world but the days of Doctor Who getting spectacular numbers during a regular series have gone.
Thing is if one was to compare DW Series 8 and Merlin Series 5 ratings episode by episode, DW currently has a 5-0 win with consolidated figures, because that's where the show currently makes the vast improvement, especially this series, which currently has the highest timeshift average to date for DW.
That's be interesting scheduling. If they could get Harry Hill to return with TV Burp (his movie struggled and musical failed so he might like some work, as long as they stick to 13 episodes - I think he hated the extended series) they may have a decent pre-X Factor line up.
17.30 Celebrity Chase
18.30 Jekyll and Hyde
19.30 Harry Hill's TV Burp
20.00 The X Factor
If The X Factor is only 90 minutes long they need something decent to follow it.
But will ITV really pitch a new family drama against Strictly?
Talking of drama have we heard any more about the rumoured Beowulf?
Isn't Harry Hill working on something new for BBC1? That may very well preclude a TV Burp return. I think its interesting that ITV never seemed to play with the idea of finding a new TV Burp host though. Keith Lemon's TV Burp coming 2015?
It is kind of difficult to work out where ITV will schedule something like Jekyll & Hyde or Beowulf. They've apparently commissioned them as family dramas in the same kind of area as the BBC's Saturday night offerings but would they put them in the same slots? They don't have the same support the BBC does in that slot and their previous experiments with family Saturday night drama haven't exactly gone well for them. But where else can they put them? During the week just feels a bit wrong although pre-watershed drama during the week would certainly be welcome as far as I'm concerned. I suppose they could try Sunday night...
The trend says it all. In brackets are what it got for the same episode last year and how this year's episodes compare. XF has lost viewers every week so far on Saturday nights this series.
XF was down 1million week on week, excluding +1. This is hard concrete evidence of how much damage an SCD clash can do to the show. A 10min clash normally resulted in XF dropping 0.5m in previous years but 30mins resulted in a 1m drop!
Isn't Harry Hill working on something new for BBC1? That may very well preclude a TV Burp return. I think its interesting that ITV never seemed to play with the idea of finding a new TV Burp host though. Keith Lemon's TV Burp coming 2015?
It is kind of difficult to work out where ITV will schedule something like Jekyll & Hyde or Beowulf. They've apparently commissioned them as family dramas in the same kind of area as the BBC's Saturday night offerings but would they put them in the same slots? They don't have the same support the BBC does in that slot and their previous experiments with family Saturday night drama haven't exactly gone well for them. But where else can they put them? During the week just feels a bit wrong although pre-watershed drama during the week would certainly be welcome as far as I'm concerned. I suppose they could try Sunday night...
I may be totally wrong but whilst I think Jekyll and Hyde might work, I have reservations about Beowulf. Tuesdays at 8 for Jekyll and Hyde could be a good slot for it though. I'd certainly watch it and it could appeal to the male viewer who might otherwise have watched football.
XF was down 1million week on week, excluding +1. This is hard concrete evidence of how much damage an SCD clash can do to the show. A 10min clash normally resulted in XF dropping 0.5m in previous years but 30mins resulted in a 1m drop!
Just FYI I'm not sure you get to have this both ways. I don't think you can make the 'X Factor is bleeding viewers week-on-week' argument and simultaneously claim 'Strictly cost X Factor 1 million viewers'
I also suspect there may be some weight to historical comparisons here. Isn't the boot camp/judges houses stage usually the weakest rated part of the series anyway?
That's be interesting scheduling. If they could get Harry Hill to return with TV Burp (his movie struggled and musical failed so he might like some work, as long as they stick to 13 episodes - I think he hated the extended series) they may have a decent pre-X Factor line up.
17.30 Celebrity Chase 18.30 Jekyll and Hyde
19.30 Harry Hill's TV Burp
20.00 The X Factor
If The X Factor is only 90 minutes long they need something decent to follow it.
But will ITV really pitch a new family drama against Strictly?
Talking of drama have we heard any more about the rumoured Beowulf?
I don't know how they're going to dramatise this, but for a story about someone who turns into a murderous villain, it would need to be toned down considerably for a 6.30 start.
It could be re-imagined, but it has been done already with Jekyll , which I thought was a great adaptation, but post watershed.
The trend says it all. In brackets are what it got for the same episode last year and how this year's episodes compare. XF has lost viewers every week so far on Saturday nights this series.
XF was down 1million week on week, excluding +1. This is hard concrete evidence of how much damage an SCD clash can do to the show. A 10min clash normally resulted in XF dropping 0.5m in previous years but 30mins resulted in a 1m drop!
That's irrelevant though as you aren't including +1. If you use the figures that are relevant and include +1 you get:
Just FYI I'm not sure you get to have this both ways. I don't think you can make the 'X Factor is bleeding viewers week-on-week' argument and simultaneously claim 'Strictly cost X Factor 1 million viewers'
I also suspect there may be some weight to historical comparisons here. Isn't the boot camp/judges houses stage usually the weakest rated part of the series anyway?
Exactly.
Judges houses is normally fairly good but bootcamp is always the weakest stage yes.
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That was episode 8. Episode 6 got 5.09m.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s1/heroes/news/a201964/heroes-hits-series-low-of-740000.html#~oR9yy9aNYKVJQN
Good old Merlin and his solid 5-6M overnights up against a super strong TXF. Those were the days. ;-)
I would tend to agree with Sam where Take Me Out is concerned:
Take Me Out - Series Averages
Series 1 - 4.83m (January-February 2010)
Series 2 - 4.97m / 5.37m (December 2010-March 2011)
Series 3 - 5.22m / 5.49m (January-April 2012)
Series 4 - 3.47m / 3.69m (October-December 2012)
Series 5 - 4.43m / 4.68m (January-February 2013)
Series 6 - 4.13m / 4.36m (January-February 2014)
Excluding Christmas Specials
So would I. A gentle climb followed by a gentle decline (excluding the series that faced Strictly).
Merlin managed 5m opposite The X Factor. Doctor Who should have done better. Not the end of the world but the days of Doctor Who getting spectacular numbers during a regular series have gone.
That's be interesting scheduling. If they could get Harry Hill to return with TV Burp (his movie struggled and musical failed so he might like some work, as long as they stick to 13 episodes - I think he hated the extended series) they may have a decent pre-X Factor line up.
17.30 Celebrity Chase
18.30 Jekyll and Hyde
19.30 Harry Hill's TV Burp
20.00 The X Factor
If The X Factor is only 90 minutes long they need something decent to follow it.
But will ITV really pitch a new family drama against Strictly?
Talking of drama have we heard any more about the rumoured Beowulf?
What, a couple of 'likely lads' like them.:D
The X Factor - 9.69m (40.8%) / 9.94m (41.9%)
Doctor Who - 6.99m (29.6%)
Sorry Doctor Who fans, but 7,400 was the difference between you and the magical 7.00m.
The BBC almost gave the job to Nick Knowles!!!!
Actually, Lionel Blair would have been a decent host as would Anton Du Beke.
Drama is slowly declining though. There's far too much of it! people want to be entertained.
Thanks DMN. I had a feeling that would happen, I think I'd have preferred it to be further away than to be so close and fail. Ah well, maybe next series.
Thing is if one was to compare DW Series 8 and Merlin Series 5 ratings episode by episode, DW currently has a 5-0 win with consolidated figures, because that's where the show currently makes the vast improvement, especially this series, which currently has the highest timeshift average to date for DW.
Same with the BBC and Strictly, really.
It is kind of difficult to work out where ITV will schedule something like Jekyll & Hyde or Beowulf. They've apparently commissioned them as family dramas in the same kind of area as the BBC's Saturday night offerings but would they put them in the same slots? They don't have the same support the BBC does in that slot and their previous experiments with family Saturday night drama haven't exactly gone well for them. But where else can they put them? During the week just feels a bit wrong although pre-watershed drama during the week would certainly be welcome as far as I'm concerned. I suppose they could try Sunday night...
Week 1 - 9.03m [8.78m] (+3pct)
Week 2 - 8.43m [7.94m] (+6pct)
Week 3 - 8.42m [8.65m] (-3pct)
Week 4 - 8.36m [8.46m] (-1pct)
Week 5 - 7.34m [7.60m] (-4pct)
The trend says it all. In brackets are what it got for the same episode last year and how this year's episodes compare. XF has lost viewers every week so far on Saturday nights this series.
XF was down 1million week on week, excluding +1. This is hard concrete evidence of how much damage an SCD clash can do to the show. A 10min clash normally resulted in XF dropping 0.5m in previous years but 30mins resulted in a 1m drop!
I may be totally wrong but whilst I think Jekyll and Hyde might work, I have reservations about Beowulf. Tuesdays at 8 for Jekyll and Hyde could be a good slot for it though. I'd certainly watch it and it could appeal to the male viewer who might otherwise have watched football.
I also suspect there may be some weight to historical comparisons here. Isn't the boot camp/judges houses stage usually the weakest rated part of the series anyway?
I don't know how they're going to dramatise this, but for a story about someone who turns into a murderous villain, it would need to be toned down considerably for a 6.30 start.
It could be re-imagined, but it has been done already with Jekyll , which I thought was a great adaptation, but post watershed.
Sorry to interrupt the SCD/XF love in.:p
That's irrelevant though as you aren't including +1. If you use the figures that are relevant and include +1 you get:
9.49m [9.20m] +3%
8.89m [8.31m] +7%
8.87m [9.06m] -2%
8.57m [8.82m] -3%
7.85m [7.84m] Flat
Average: 8.73m [8.65m] +1%
Also week 3 was up on week 2 in the officials.
Exactly.
Judges houses is normally fairly good but bootcamp is always the weakest stage yes.