I am so pleased someone had the sense to retain copies, I could never get my head around Eileen Fairweather saying she spent 3 days handwriting the report. Even if she didn't have a photocopier to hand, she could have nipped to a newsagent and spent around £15.00 at the time for copies.
Daily Mail investigates the credibility of Steven Messham, which is fair enough of course, but does it in an absurdly biased way so typical of the Daily Fail
...... and this is why dealing with these cases of historical abuse it is so difficult & needs to be handled so carefully. You have damaged individuals. What angers me is that this guy Angus Stricker knew the background yet still exposed Steve to national tv no doubt for financial gain for themselves as an Investigative organisation.
...... and this is why dealing with these cases of historical abuse it is so difficult & needs to be handled so carefully. You have damaged individuals. What angers me is that this guy Angus Stricker knew the background yet still exposed Steve to national tv no doubt for financial gain for themselves as an Investigative organisation.
Do we know for a fact Strickler knew that the LM allegation was wrong? That would be very odd if true.
Daily Mail investigates the credibility of Steven Messham, which is fair enough of course, but does it in an absurdly biased way so typical of the Daily Fail
...... and this is why dealing with these cases of historical abuse it is so difficult & needs to be handled so carefully. You have damaged individuals. What angers me is that this guy Angus Stricker knew the background yet still exposed Steve to national tv no doubt for financial gain for themselves as an Investigative organisation.
Funny how the mail are now concerned with times and dates to discredit Steve Messham, they weren't so bothered checking times and dates and rolls royce manufacturing years in other stories they've printed.
Errors from the start Messham’s evidence about abuse at the Bryn Estyn care home in Wrexham has been unreliable from the start. He was even wrong about how long he spent at Bryn Estyn.
According to a police statement in March 1992, he said: ‘I stayed there between three and four years.’ In fact, records show, he was there for 20 months, from September 1977 until May 1979.
Looks to me like the vulnerable victim Steve is going to be made the Patsy. I hope he has friends close by, because it looks like every other sod is abandoning him.
She's right, of course, re trial by media and needing to leave the detective work to those qualified to do so, but the comment by boudicca @ 05:35 AM also makes very pertinent points about those same people's failure to do their job.
The standard pattern is a few honest people trying to investigate this kind of stuff but they get blocked by libel laws, injunctions and whoever is involved closing ranks. The "mob" can't investigate except in little bits and pieces but they can help against the blocking attempts.
Look mate, lets get one thing straight. Common sense,intelligently reasoned argument and the like, we will "have no truck with here". This thread (with a few notable exemptions) consists mainly of, the bland leading the bland. One poster by the handle of sad bb addict, seems to post nothing but links to other sites, useful, if one has no search engine. P.S. For what it's worth I agree with everything you have said,and as for Mr M's recant, might I suggest the first option, as being the most likely.
"It particularly condemned Welsh Office social services inspectors for failing to visit a single children’s home in the 10 years during which most of the abuse took place."
Love Kate Silverton wearing full black. You'd have thought the Queen had died.
The queen is dead,you don't think an octogenarian could make a jump from a chopper do you. No she's a doppelganger, who has been put there, to stop drucilla, from getting her mitts on the sparklers.
I am so pleased someone had the sense to retain copies, I could never get my head around Eileen Fairweather saying she spent 3 days handwriting the report. Even if she didn't have a photocopier to hand, she could have nipped to a newsagent and spent around £15.00 at the time for copies.
A photocopy may have left her open to exposure. I believe every single copy was individually numbered and she probably feared that a photocopy would identify her as being the whistleblower.
A photocopy may have left her open to exposure. I believe every single copy was individually numbered and she probably feared that a photocopy would identify her as being the whistleblower.
She said the copies were watermarked, a watermark does not show up on a photocopy.
This is what she said
Only 12 copies of the Jillings report were published and each was watermarked so the source of any leak could be identified. All were later pulped.
I wrote out the report's 300 pages by hand, to protect my source. It took me three days and, by agreement, I anonymously fed different sections to different papers. So did another whistleblower.
Oh lets get a bank in on the story. No story is complete without a banker!! This is they guy that Times were implicating on Saturday as also being on Wales Police Authority.
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Entwistle's resignation ends a long association with the corporation that dates back to when he was just six-years-old, and perhaps a little more self-assured than in recent weeks. As a schoolboy he wrote a letter to the man then running the BBC, complaining that Tom and Jerry had been bumped off the schedule. However then, as now, he was confounded by others acting on his behalf. END QUOTE....................................It could of been worse,he could of written to Jim'll fix it.
this completely stinks imagine our reputation abroad, undoing any negligable good the olympics and the jubilee did, what a waste of money- now watch them waste more,when the compo claims start coming in ....
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I am so pleased someone had the sense to retain copies, I could never get my head around Eileen Fairweather saying she spent 3 days handwriting the report. Even if she didn't have a photocopier to hand, she could have nipped to a newsagent and spent around £15.00 at the time for copies.
Sooty?
...... and this is why dealing with these cases of historical abuse it is so difficult & needs to be handled so carefully. You have damaged individuals. What angers me is that this guy Angus Stricker knew the background yet still exposed Steve to national tv no doubt for financial gain for themselves as an Investigative organisation.
Now that is interesting,but where is the link?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/9669681/George-Entwistle-quits-as-director-general-over-Newsnight-fiasco.html
Oh you are awesome....B-U-T----I----LIKE----YOU!!!!
Any way of finding out who chairman was around time of jillings report
Funny how the mail are now concerned with times and dates to discredit Steve Messham, they weren't so bothered checking times and dates and rolls royce manufacturing years in other stories they've printed.
Errors from the start
Messham’s evidence about abuse at the Bryn Estyn care home in Wrexham has been unreliable from the start. He was even wrong about how long he spent at Bryn Estyn.
According to a police statement in March 1992, he said: ‘I stayed there between three and four years.’ In fact, records show, he was there for 20 months, from September 1977 until May 1979.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2231212/A-victim-delusions-astonishing-story-BBC-DIDNT-tell-troubled-star-witness.html#ixzz2BsS4HW00
Looks to me like the vulnerable victim Steve is going to be made the Patsy. I hope he has friends close by, because it looks like every other sod is abandoning him.
“During his report into the abuse claims, Sir Ronald Waterhouse actually stopped the tribunal and sent Kenyon’s accusers to hospital for checks.”
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/357415/Aids-fear-of-children-s-home-victims
I hope you realize I could sue,for infringement of copyright. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE8kOv26BuQ
The same questions were asked in 1996
http://www.lgcplus.com/lgc-news/mps-call-for-insurance-review-after-clwyd-report-secrecy/1547225.article
No, but I would like too.
The standard pattern is a few honest people trying to investigate this kind of stuff but they get blocked by libel laws, injunctions and whoever is involved closing ranks. The "mob" can't investigate except in little bits and pieces but they can help against the blocking attempts.
I find it useful.
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/welsh-politics/welsh-politics-news/2012/11/11/north-wales-child-abuse-scandal-the-long-road-to-justice-91466-32208017/
"It particularly condemned Welsh Office social services inspectors for failing to visit a single children’s home in the 10 years during which most of the abuse took place."
The queen is dead,you don't think an octogenarian could make a jump from a chopper do you. No she's a doppelganger, who has been put there, to stop drucilla, from getting her mitts on the sparklers.
A photocopy may have left her open to exposure. I believe every single copy was individually numbered and she probably feared that a photocopy would identify her as being the whistleblower.
She said the copies were watermarked, a watermark does not show up on a photocopy.
This is what she said
Only 12 copies of the Jillings report were published and each was watermarked so the source of any leak could be identified. All were later pulped.
I wrote out the report's 300 pages by hand, to protect my source. It took me three days and, by agreement, I anonymously fed different sections to different papers. So did another whistleblower.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/opinion/news-opinion/eileen-fairweather-journalist-who-helped-1416666
He said whilst closing his coffin lid.
Best post to date.
Oh lets get a bank in on the story. No story is complete without a banker!! This is they guy that Times were implicating on Saturday as also being on Wales Police Authority.
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Entwistle's resignation ends a long association with the corporation that dates back to when he was just six-years-old, and perhaps a little more self-assured than in recent weeks. As a schoolboy he wrote a letter to the man then running the BBC, complaining that Tom and Jerry had been bumped off the schedule. However then, as now, he was confounded by others acting on his behalf. END QUOTE....................................It could of been worse,he could of written to Jim'll fix it.
We might even lose the Empire.