It's rather unfortunate that black Muslims seem to be involved. Two sets of ethnic minorities in the UK get to have their name dragged through the mud.
yes sadly and it will not help the black or muslim communitys. but make more hate of them . and that in turn could turn more them to the extremists views.
I think the plan was probably to wait for the armed police and then get shot as martyrs.
I imagine it was planned due to the number of weapons and how they behaved - seems they drove near the barracks to find a military victim who had just come out of the barracks.
Blimey.
One other thing I can't grasp is why were there so many passers by allowed to be within the police cordon? Surely you'd keep well back or group together and try to overcome the criminals. I do think the unarmed police should have gone forward - they do have sprays, tazors and truncheons don't they?
After visiting Belfast last year I'm pretty sure the NI police are more up to scratch than ours on the mainland, what with dealing with the IRA for decades.
Slightly off topic but its massive scoop for ITV news to have that footage of one of the killers talking to camera. Not everyday their website crashes due to overuse!
I think they took 20 minutes to get there, if the closest police were called to the scene they would have got there sooner but they couldn't attend as they were unarmed.
Unarmed police put the public in danger.
Wasn't it right by Woolwich barracks?? it would have been quicker to scramble the soldiers there, I am sure they would have dealt with the scum efficiently.
Can someone explain how this is a terrorist attack, and not just another murder?
Why does the PM have to do a Cobra meeting???
Does he do that every time someone gets murdered?
1. Some islamist terrorists have just been jailed for planning very similar attacks.
2. Film of the murderer talking about "his land" and telling people to throw out their governments has just emerged.
The video of one of the attackers blaming Cameron for sending troops to wars for the killing might have something to do with it.
So someone mouths off after killing someone, I personally wouldn't include it in the same category as the train bombs that were set off a few years ago.
Can someone explain how this is a terrorist attack, and not just another murder?
Why does the PM have to do a Cobra meeting???
Does he do that every time someone gets murdered?
1. there is enough evidence building up to show that this is a possible terrorist attack. Better to assume that it is than to have everyone moaning that 'nothing was done'
2. Because he is the Prime Minister, and whilst the chair can be delegated if the PM is out of the country, it is his responsibility
To be fair it will be many hours before more in depth information is known, so it seems reasonable that he returns to chair COBRA tomorrow rather than rushing back now whilst the situation is still unclear.
I think I've just heard on BBC that he's coming back later tonight.
So let's get this straight - you've come up with this bright idea that's completely absurd, impractical and ill-conceived but you have no idea how it would actually be implemented? Thank **** you're not part of the security services, otherwise we'd all be ****ed.
..Well you better get used to it, Britain is so limp-wristed and spineless in 2013 and we want to import more of these sick-minded creatures until there is all out urban warfare.
The blood sacrificed by our solders in WWI and WW2 is now almost certain to have been in vain if it carries on like this.
When these atrocities are committed in the name of islam what do you expect.
They aren't random nutters committing crimes who happen to be muslims as well.
They do it for islam, because of islam and in the name of islam.
If muslims don't want to be tarred with the same brush then let's see some large scale denouncements of these acts from the imams.
Let's see some proactive actions from the muslim community to rid itself of this vermin, i won't hold my breath though.
Why should the innocent need to prove themselves ? Are you or I responsible for crimes committed by our peers ?
These people carry out these acts in the name of Islam as they see it. Millions of people follow the same religion and are never violent, so what do they have to prove.
Muslim community's do a lot to fight extremist but "Man bites dog" will always get more headlines than "Man strokes dog". Surely as a civilised society we should recognise that crimes committed in the name of god by one person does not infer all share in the action ?
It's all very fine with the benefit of hindsight to claim these murderers were only attacking members of armed forces when the dead man had no identifiable uniform on. Put it this way, would you approach a bloodied man armed with a meat clever after seeing what they'd just done to a man in civilian clothes? you're a brave person if you would.
That's the point I am making. As the guys weren't (at that time) threatening the public, there was no need for unarmed officers to put themselves in danger, when they would have known Trojan officers were enroute.
The fact that as soon as the Trojan teams arrived, the 2 suspects went towards them indicates that the public "at large" were not the target of the attack.
When the culprit isn't white, everything is a terrorist attack
No it isn't they are saying now that this was drugs and criminality Phew! it must of been some trouble makers shouting Allah Akbar probablt the EDL or BNP with blackened faces. Great lets hurry back to our diverse beautiful society
Incidentally, the guy in the video had a London accent. I don't think he was Somalian.
Plainly, legally he was a Brit, but doesn't mean he's not ethically Somalian. He couldn't learn the accent in a tourist visit, been here some time. What possesses someone who's lived here for years to do such a thing?
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Like most of this board then:rolleyes:
yes sadly and it will not help the black or muslim communitys. but make more hate of them . and that in turn could turn more them to the extremists views.
Exactly, they were after a soldier regardless of sex, race or religion.
Blimey.
One other thing I can't grasp is why were there so many passers by allowed to be within the police cordon? Surely you'd keep well back or group together and try to overcome the criminals. I do think the unarmed police should have gone forward - they do have sprays, tazors and truncheons don't they?
After visiting Belfast last year I'm pretty sure the NI police are more up to scratch than ours on the mainland, what with dealing with the IRA for decades.
What a ridiculous question! That would not be her responsibility - but of those who know more about such things.
Just one British life is too big a price to pay to allow people with such opinions to come to this country.
I was supposed to be going there in July. I've just cancelled
That's a joke, right? You might as well suggest Wikipedia for all Twitter "eyewitness" are worth. You think their accuracy beats the BBC?
Wasn't it right by Woolwich barracks?? it would have been quicker to scramble the soldiers there, I am sure they would have dealt with the scum efficiently.
Yeah becuase the mainstream media always report the truth dont they:rolleyes:
1. Some islamist terrorists have just been jailed for planning very similar attacks.
2. Film of the murderer talking about "his land" and telling people to throw out their governments has just emerged.
So someone mouths off after killing someone, I personally wouldn't include it in the same category as the train bombs that were set off a few years ago.
Really, is that the definition now of a terrorist attack??
1. there is enough evidence building up to show that this is a possible terrorist attack. Better to assume that it is than to have everyone moaning that 'nothing was done'
2. Because he is the Prime Minister, and whilst the chair can be delegated if the PM is out of the country, it is his responsibility
3.No. COBRA has nothing to do with 'murders'
Spot on.
I think I've just heard on BBC that he's coming back later tonight.
So let's get this straight - you've come up with this bright idea that's completely absurd, impractical and ill-conceived but you have no idea how it would actually be implemented? Thank **** you're not part of the security services, otherwise we'd all be ****ed.
What absolute rubbish.
Why should the innocent need to prove themselves ? Are you or I responsible for crimes committed by our peers ?
These people carry out these acts in the name of Islam as they see it. Millions of people follow the same religion and are never violent, so what do they have to prove.
Muslim community's do a lot to fight extremist but "Man bites dog" will always get more headlines than "Man strokes dog". Surely as a civilised society we should recognise that crimes committed in the name of god by one person does not infer all share in the action ?
That's the point I am making. As the guys weren't (at that time) threatening the public, there was no need for unarmed officers to put themselves in danger, when they would have known Trojan officers were enroute.
The fact that as soon as the Trojan teams arrived, the 2 suspects went towards them indicates that the public "at large" were not the target of the attack.
No it isn't they are saying now that this was drugs and criminality Phew! it must of been some trouble makers shouting Allah Akbar probablt the EDL or BNP with blackened faces. Great lets hurry back to our diverse beautiful society
Plainly, legally he was a Brit, but doesn't mean he's not ethically Somalian. He couldn't learn the accent in a tourist visit, been here some time. What possesses someone who's lived here for years to do such a thing?
But they still couldn't do anything because they weren't armed which was the point I was making.