And the light was said to be on. Not 'off' as OP insisted.
I honestly never thought the light was significant because OP went back upstairs before police arrived…so the light could have been turned ON at that time
Wonder if Clarice Stander is going to be called by Defence or by Prosecution as rebuttal (if that's allowed)
OP said that it was Clarice who called Divaris, his brother and his manager Peet van Zyll
So did she keep OP's iPhone until the bail application hearing ??
Does anyone know if SA justice permits rebuttal evidence or testimonies in re-examination ?
For example, if OP says in cross-examination that Van Rensburg told him X and this was not addressed in Van Rensburg's testimonies (chief and cross), can Nel call back Van Rensburg to testify in rebuttal as to what he said to OP ?
Don't know is the answer.
Can Roux re-call him for further cross examination as we are now into the defense case?
So, anyone know why Oscar repeatedly said he whispered to Reeva on the bed to call the police and then did a u turn and said I didnt whisper to her? And on reasking by Nel, "you didnt whisper to her?" he said no? Oh never mind lol.
- Has OP fabricated the whole fans/window/curtains scenario as his alibi for the story about Reeva silently vanishing to the bathroom? Did he fail, when coming up with this story, to realise the importance of minute details?
You'd have to say yes, I think, if the integrity of the crime scene can be relied upon. However, can it?
f you check the record, you will see that Mr Pistorius never actually denied firing a shot. But I've been led to understand - and he hinted as much in court - that he maintains he did so on a different day, in different circumstances. So why not admit that to the police, take the rap, and move on?
I had my suspicions this would be his story :cool:
I honestly never thought the light was significant because OP went back upstairs before police arrived…so the light could have been turned ON at that time
Wonder if Clarice Stander is going to be called by Defence or by Prosecution as rebuttal (if that's allowed)
OP said that it was Clarice who called Divaris, his brother and his manager Peet van Zyll
So did she keep OP's iPhone until the bail application hearing ??
I don't think it's that significant either - except that it seems to show that OP is trying to find things in the room that he can say were 'changed', when the light could easily have been on anyway. Making much of it.
I wouldn't be surprised if Clarice Stander had the phone. But she could have given it to his sister, who was there, and she may have kept it.
- Has OP fabricated the whole fans/window/curtains scenario as his alibi for the story about Reeva silently vanishing to the bathroom? Did he fail, when coming up with this story, to realise the importance of minute details?
You'd have to say yes, I think, if the integrity of the crime scene can be relied upon. However, can it?
The answer to this and much more in Monday's thrilling episode.
So, anyone know why Oscar repeatedly said he whispered to Reeva on the bed to call the police and then did a u turn and said I didnt whisper to her? And on reasking by Nel, "you didnt whisper to her?" he said no? Oh never mind lol.
He can contradict himself within 2 mins and deny saying something within 2 mins - who knows because he just digs himself in deeper and deeper.
I'm not sure, perhaps your correct. The photo of the window looked like it had thin drapes on it and not blackout curtains or blinds.
I imagined they were like what you see abroad to keep light and heat out of bedrooms .
I thought he said he didn't remember the blinds but he pulled the curtains and they were heavy blackout ones (could be wrong).
Okay - so he's got another metallic one that was just inside the bedroom?
Possible.
I think the chap just kept talking about and confusing the time he looked at the bedroom, and the next time when he entered properly during which he went onto the balcony and had to move the fan out of the way of the door as he couldn't get out.
Pistorius's defense team will have been hugely concerned about the overheard argument and raised voices shouting and screaming scenario.
They would need to know almost exactly what he was shouting in case other witnesses collaborated their versions and that potentially conflicted with the defenses take on it.
In which case given that as a possibility:
Has anyone yet suggested that OP could very easily been shouting at Reeva "Get out of my house"?
if they'd argued, that would be one of the first things he could easily have barked at her.
If she had indeed been perceived by OP to have been belittling him he may well have told her to "get down". perhaps to see what the world felt like from his perspective.
Her reaction to this possible scenario could well have been to say "I'm calling the police. let me out. you're scaring me"
His cocky response "Call the police"?
Knowing full well she probably wouldn't, so she runs to the bathroom for some air because he's closed the balcony doors as he didn't want neighbors hearing them arguing...
it's all the right words, just in a completely different context!
Nel's definitely going for the fight starting off in the bedroom.
I'm waiting for his examination of the bedroom door damage. I think it's 4 bullets fired, one unloaded from the gun by police but were there 6 - a magazine full ?
Dirty Nelly : I know what you're thinking, punk. You're thinking does he think there were 5 shots or only 4 .... you've gotta ask yourself a question: "Do I feel lucky?" Well, do ya, punk?
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I honestly never thought the light was significant because OP went back upstairs before police arrived…so the light could have been turned ON at that time
Wonder if Clarice Stander is going to be called by Defence or by Prosecution as rebuttal (if that's allowed)
OP said that it was Clarice who called Divaris, his brother and his manager Peet van Zyll
So did she keep OP's iPhone until the bail application hearing ??
Nah, they edited it so he looked bad.
He must have thought it was a 'serious threat' to have said to Reeva to 'call the police' then.
But if he was so convinced that it was real that this was going to be the FIRST time he called the police, then why didn't he sound the alarm?
Don't know is the answer.
Can Roux re-call him for further cross examination as we are now into the defense case?
Sorry to answer your question with a question.
Maybe I will tweet David Dadic.
Good job I watched it live then first time around .
- Has OP fabricated the whole fans/window/curtains scenario as his alibi for the story about Reeva silently vanishing to the bathroom? Did he fail, when coming up with this story, to realise the importance of minute details?
You'd have to say yes, I think, if the integrity of the crime scene can be relied upon. However, can it?
Thanks - interesting read.
Re: Firing the gun out of the sunroof ...
I had my suspicions this would be his story :cool:
I don't think it's that significant either - except that it seems to show that OP is trying to find things in the room that he can say were 'changed', when the light could easily have been on anyway. Making much of it.
I wouldn't be surprised if Clarice Stander had the phone. But she could have given it to his sister, who was there, and she may have kept it.
Who handed the phone in do you remember?
The answer to this and much more in Monday's thrilling episode.
He can contradict himself within 2 mins and deny saying something within 2 mins - who knows because he just digs himself in deeper and deeper.
With exactly the same level of conviction. Dear oh dear, he hasn't helped himself at all.
But Oscar says he has three fans.
I thought he said he didn't remember the blinds but he pulled the curtains and they were heavy blackout ones (could be wrong).
I don't think M'Lady would appreciate you describing it as that.:)
Okay - so he's got another metallic one that was just inside the bedroom?
Possible.
I think the chap just kept talking about and confusing the time he looked at the bedroom, and the next time when he entered properly during which he went onto the balcony and had to move the fan out of the way of the door as he couldn't get out.
Yes one downstairs for guests.
Something else he didn't need to add just like the dog. It just muddies the water.
Do we know the whereabouts of The Third Fan?
Blinds are blackout - curtains brocade type he said.
Nel's definitely going for the fight starting off in the bedroom.
I'm waiting for his examination of the bedroom door damage. I think it's 4 bullets fired, one unloaded from the gun by police but were there 6 - a magazine full ?
Dirty Nelly : I know what you're thinking, punk. You're thinking does he think there were 5 shots or only 4 .... you've gotta ask yourself a question: "Do I feel lucky?" Well, do ya, punk?
Cheers Jos, so not blackout curtains, and he didn't use the blinds.
Still very dark if they are thick and heavy.
See post 5669
She'll accept anything for a packet of hobnobs