"The police force at the centre of the Rotherham child abuse scandal is still failing to record crimes against children properly, a report has said.South Yorkshire Police's public protection unit spent a "great deal of time" trying to "disprove" allegations, said HM Inspectorate of Constabulary.
It said the force's public protection unit showed "a disregard for victims".
I think the oppinion of many women of Pakistani heritage who believe extreme misogyny is widespread in their community might disagree.
Indeed. Rape is a MASSIVE problem in Pakistan. I remember reading a report that found Pakistan was number 1 for child porn and rape porn internet searches too.
Indeed. Rape is a MASSIVE problem in Pakistan. I remember reading a report that found Pakistan was number 1 for child porn and rape porn internet searches too.
Now this scandal has been fully exposed (at least in Rotherham) isn't time for a full debate on multiculturalism and immigration.
"It is now time, if not past time, to grasp the nettle of multiculturalism which has taken root in our country. The news of the last week, from British jihadis in Iraq to the child abuse in Rotherham, should have made clear that this is now a debate we cannot avoid any longer.
"........So what do we need to do? First of all, we need to try to open up the isolated, insular communities that have established themselves, Tower Hamlets being the first and foremost. It is insufferable that estates are flying the ISIS flag. It is even more insufferable that they ban dogs, ban drinking, and attack gay men walking down those streets. Where, by the way, were the various LGBT groups denouncing that? Groups which are quick to defend their rights against Christian hotel owners?
There are smaller measures which can be taken. The wholesale distribution of halal meat, unlabelled as such, has to be stopped. In a secular society, which we pride ourselves to be, it surely is insufferable to deny people the choice of buying meat which has not been prayed over, never mind the atrocious slaughtering method?
So-called ‘faith schools’ which are nothing but madrassas must be run under the same strict rules as Christian faith schools, where for the sake of diversity a quota of muslim children is demanded. Gender segregation in schools and universities must be forbidden. Sharia courts have to be dismantled, as have ‘islam-compliant’ banking instruments. While we work and fight to get our sovereignty back from Brussels, what is that sovereignty worth if a group – not even a majority – is allowed to install courts, to enforce their ‘laws’, and to further affect our laws so that for example Muslim women do not enjoy the same protection as British women do?
Above all, we must talk about these points and we must disregard the accusations of racism and islamophobia which are certain to follow, used by the diversity-mad talking heads in the media".
I've heard this on the news several times the last couple of days , but no-one has mentioned how many of these men who committed these crimes has been charged / jailed .
have there been any convictions ? hundreds of victims over how many years ?
Oh and how do you know that the shop keepers are muslim?
No I didn't.
Don't agree with that all. I think its just right wing people are desperate to do anything to give people of pakistani heritage especially a hard time but need to try and pin things on their religion so they can't be accused of racism.
Hindus and Sikhs not doing anything like this huh? I suppose the mass of gang rape cases ending up in murder too in India where Hindus mainly live has escaped your attention then?
Regardless, you looking at other ethnicities/religious backgrounds and saying they aren't doing it, therefore it must be down to the islamic religion, I find absoloutely pathetic. The indigenous population commit many more sex crimes, do you blame chrisitianity for that and do you generalise all indigenous people as being the same like you keep on alluding to on pakistani heritage men?
On you and your claim that school kids were taught that white girls are prostitutes, that wasn't a teacher doing that it was some speaker invited to the school. It could well be the school didn't know that person was going to come out with that comment. In any case its not curriculum teaching is it?
I've seen plenty of incidents of racism over the years where people just walk by and say nothing/do nothing to help the person on the receiving end, does that mean they all agree with it or just didn't want to get involved?
I haven't got my head buried in the sand at all. I can smell a mile off when people try and smear all people as the same and why!!! >:( >:( >:(
At least you seem to agree that its a cultural thing and not religious based as Sikhs and Hinuds are involved with this in Asia.....yes the cultural traditions emenating from Asia are very backward indeed . ...its a shame for the UK's indigenous population that they are now becoming prevalent in UK cities.
Can you provide the stats to back up your assertion conclusion that the UK indigenous population ( I presume you mean white) "commit more sex crimes " ????
We know from campaigners in India , Pakistan etc that women and young girls are raped , sexually assaulted and even murdered on a daily basis by a misogynist culture
I think its outrageous that you and others on here deny that that misogny does not exist in these expat communities in Britain . But hey you and others are free to carry on denying that there is a problem in these communities within the UK , its only women and young girls that are being sexually abused isnt it ? You carry on crying racist at anyone who dares to highlight this its only women and young girls that are being abused isnt it ?
Muslim students were told that white girls are prostitutes but you seem to think this is ok as it wasn't on the cirruculum
Indeed. Rape is a MASSIVE problem in Pakistan. I remember reading a report that found Pakistan was number 1 for child porn and rape porn internet searches too.
I've heard this on the news several times the last couple of days , but no-one has mentioned how many of these men who committed these crimes has been charged / jailed .
have there been any convictions ? hundreds of victims over how many years ?
So far I think only five men have been convicted.
Zafran Ramzan rape, 2 charges of sexual activity with a child 9 years
Razwan Razaq 2 charges of sexual activity with a child 11 years
Umar Razaq sexual activity with a child 4.5 years
Adil Hussain sexual activity with a child 4 years
Mohsin Khan sexual activity with a child 4 years
There were far more than five men committing abuse, and there were 1400 victims over 16 years.
Its also there culture for woman to walk behind the man ,FMG and to cover the face. All not compatible with modern Britain!
oh no your wrong as these women are British and have a British passport then walking behind men , covering their face and mutilating I mean making sure they don't enjoy sex via FGM is now a British custom ...do keep up
So far I think only five men have been convicted.
Zafran Ramzan rape, 2 charges of sexual activity with a child 9 years
Razwan Razaq 2 charges of sexual activity with a child 11 years
Umar Razaq sexual activity with a child 4.5 years
Adil Hussain sexual activity with a child 4 years
Mohsin Khan sexual activity with a child 4 years
There were far more than five men committing abuse, and there were 1400 victims over 16 years.
thanks .
I'm just so annoyed with the news that they keep banging on about politicians and commisioners etc. all of whom won't talk or just talk spin til they get a nice retirement package .
why don't they talk to more of the victims ? they are after all the victims .
No not just my opinion but my experience. I have lived in most parts of London and can testify that most immigrants do not integrate but stick to their own cultures and cliques. I once tried to join a doctors practice in east London but was told that as I was white I couldn't as they only accept immigrants - I complained to the PCT the Doctor soon changed his tune and accepted me . I was the only white patient . This is just one example of their lack of integration on a personal level . As far as integration goes London is pretty representative of the whole country . A small minority do truly integrate but sadly the left and PC brigade hold these up ad being representative of all immigrants which is plainly not true,.
Neither of us can know the levels of integration for sure, as it would be very difficult to gather hard statistics.
can you point out where I said thiss"the majority of asians in britain dont integrate dont want to and are causing division.they are racist" ?
Sorry if I'm getting confused. That was actually said by crystallad.
You are the cause of the tension , you are happy to label anyone who mentions race or multiculturalism in a negative light as Racist , you are happy to close down any debate on race by yelling Racist - something the Left and PC brigade have done for years.
Please don't invent stuff that isn't true. I have never attempted to close down a debate by "yelling Racist" - I use that term very rarely, and only if someone actually is being undeniably racist. And I am certainly not the cause of any tension, except perhaps amongst those on here who don't agree with me and get upset about it!
And just to give you an insight into the mindset and the spin generated by the likes of Jamieson and politicians, following his election he said that the people had spoken but made no reference to the fact that only around 10% turned out
Yes.
Which, being all spin, is barely a "mind" set at all.
Every time there's a Muslim atrocity, terrorist attack, trojan horse or whatever the Guardian will put up an article defending them. Quite disgusting really. They even blamed Boko Haram, not on Islam, but Climate Change!
The problem is the left don't only support peaceful muslims, they support the criminals as well, as we've seen with the cover up of these rapists for 14 years. I still can't get over the story of them catching a 12 year old being abused and arresting HER for being drunk. And arresting family members who went to rescue them. It beggars belief.
The Guardian was the only major newspaper website I read last night which had relegated the story - deliberately - to the second news story. And the first story they chose was certainly not an obvious choice for a first news story.
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit!. You knew all along but you choose to lump all Asians into one category. It is laziness. You're just being cocky.
I think you owe that poster an apology, first for being personal and second for being incorrect. The question they answered was about the racial profile of victims versus non victims and was answered in that light. Not nationality or religion, which you then chose to address. Asian as you yourself said covers multiple nationalities and religions. In terms of girls going out alone, or not, religions practised by Asians include Hindu, where chaperoning for girls is also a feature just as much as it is for Muslims., and Sikhism, where it has been utilised as a direct tool to combat both paedophilic and racially motivated radicalisation and grooming http://www.sasorg.co.uk/about/
As has been stated on this thread, predators prey on the vulnerable, and that is potentially those of any religion, race or nationality.
That is what needs addressing, the vulnerability and the predatory behaviour.
Neither of us can know the levels of integration for sure, as it would be very difficult to gather hard statistics.
Plenty of people who've had a long life living in many different parts of this country are plenty aware that the level of integration is poor. We don't need surveys to tell us that.
PLease don't invent stuff that isn't true. I have never attempted to close down a debate by "yelling Racist" - I use that term very rarely, and onPlease don't invent ly if someone actually is being undeniably racist. And I am certainly not the cause of any tension, except perhaps amongst those on here who don't agree with me and get upset about it!
Can't say that I've noticed you referring to people as racist but you are a left-wing liberalista which means you will inevitably be an apologist for what you wrongly perceive as every poor downtrodden individual or organisation.
Indeed. Rape is a MASSIVE problem in Pakistan. I remember reading a report that found Pakistan was number 1 for child porn and rape porn internet searches too.
Plenty of people who've had a long life living in many different parts of this country are plenty aware that the level of integration is poor. We don't need surveys to tell us that.
Anecdotal evidence is never very reliable.
Can't say that I've noticed you referring to people as racist but you are a left-wing liberalista which means you will inevitably be an apologist for what you wrongly perceive as every poor downtrodden individual or organisation.
Because the elected council is elected to run the local authority, and the local authority failed to protect the children. The elected politicians are supposed to ensure the departments are doing a good job, and are repsonsible for the departments. They are elected to positions of responsiblity and authority, they should be held politically accountable for any failures by the organization they are ultimately incharge of and responsible for. Ideally if they have personally failed to do fulfill their responsibilites to an adequate standard they should face criminal prosecution given the extent and severity of the failure.
It's not just a failure by the council though, the police are just as culpable in this imo.
If you read the report published yesterday, the police displayed some appalling attitudes, such as saying that an 11-year old wasn't being exploited because the sex was consensual.
If the police weren't prepared to investigate and arrest perpetrators, it's hard to see what Children's Services could have done.
Barnardos said it was a problem in 1996, Channel 4 in 2004. The only thing that has changed is that they've narrowed it down to mainly Kashmiri Pakistanis as the problem.
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Absolutely - and as recently as February this year the police were still not doing their job>:(
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-28971528
"The police force at the centre of the Rotherham child abuse scandal is still failing to record crimes against children properly, a report has said.South Yorkshire Police's public protection unit spent a "great deal of time" trying to "disprove" allegations, said HM Inspectorate of Constabulary.
It said the force's public protection unit showed "a disregard for victims".
I think the oppinion of many women of Pakistani heritage who believe extreme misogyny is widespread in their community might disagree.
Indeed. Rape is a MASSIVE problem in Pakistan. I remember reading a report that found Pakistan was number 1 for child porn and rape porn internet searches too.
Now this scandal has been fully exposed (at least in Rotherham) isn't time for a full debate on multiculturalism and immigration.
Some ideas here
http://www.ukipdaily.com/must-grasp-nettle/#prettyPhoto
"It is now time, if not past time, to grasp the nettle of multiculturalism which has taken root in our country. The news of the last week, from British jihadis in Iraq to the child abuse in Rotherham, should have made clear that this is now a debate we cannot avoid any longer.
"........So what do we need to do? First of all, we need to try to open up the isolated, insular communities that have established themselves, Tower Hamlets being the first and foremost. It is insufferable that estates are flying the ISIS flag. It is even more insufferable that they ban dogs, ban drinking, and attack gay men walking down those streets. Where, by the way, were the various LGBT groups denouncing that? Groups which are quick to defend their rights against Christian hotel owners?
There are smaller measures which can be taken. The wholesale distribution of halal meat, unlabelled as such, has to be stopped. In a secular society, which we pride ourselves to be, it surely is insufferable to deny people the choice of buying meat which has not been prayed over, never mind the atrocious slaughtering method?
So-called ‘faith schools’ which are nothing but madrassas must be run under the same strict rules as Christian faith schools, where for the sake of diversity a quota of muslim children is demanded. Gender segregation in schools and universities must be forbidden. Sharia courts have to be dismantled, as have ‘islam-compliant’ banking instruments. While we work and fight to get our sovereignty back from Brussels, what is that sovereignty worth if a group – not even a majority – is allowed to install courts, to enforce their ‘laws’, and to further affect our laws so that for example Muslim women do not enjoy the same protection as British women do?
Above all, we must talk about these points and we must disregard the accusations of racism and islamophobia which are certain to follow, used by the diversity-mad talking heads in the media".
This is not racism, just common sense.
This'll be fun.
Popcorn, anyone?
I wouldn't agree the scandal infers anything concrete about multiculturalism or immigration.
It does implicate - perhaps - a problem with policing attitudes to multiculturalism in some areas.
Making the leap that there's something ethnic or religious - rather than local - would be a stretch to say the least.
have there been any convictions ? hundreds of victims over how many years ?
At least you seem to agree that its a cultural thing and not religious based as Sikhs and Hinuds are involved with this in Asia.....yes the cultural traditions emenating from Asia are very backward indeed . ...its a shame for the UK's indigenous population that they are now becoming prevalent in UK cities.
Can you provide the stats to back up your assertion conclusion that the UK indigenous population ( I presume you mean white) "commit more sex crimes " ????
We know from campaigners in India , Pakistan etc that women and young girls are raped , sexually assaulted and even murdered on a daily basis by a misogynist culture
I think its outrageous that you and others on here deny that that misogny does not exist in these expat communities in Britain . But hey you and others are free to carry on denying that there is a problem in these communities within the UK , its only women and young girls that are being sexually abused isnt it ? You carry on crying racist at anyone who dares to highlight this its only women and young girls that are being abused isnt it ?
Muslim students were told that white girls are prostitutes but you seem to think this is ok as it wasn't on the cirruculum
It was also the number 1 country for Gay porn
Zafran Ramzan rape, 2 charges of sexual activity with a child 9 years
Razwan Razaq 2 charges of sexual activity with a child 11 years
Umar Razaq sexual activity with a child 4.5 years
Adil Hussain sexual activity with a child 4 years
Mohsin Khan sexual activity with a child 4 years
There were far more than five men committing abuse, and there were 1400 victims over 16 years.
Not sure quite what is meant by that.
oh no your wrong as these women are British and have a British passport then walking behind men , covering their face and mutilating I mean making sure they don't enjoy sex via FGM is now a British custom ...do keep up
thanks .
I'm just so annoyed with the news that they keep banging on about politicians and commisioners etc. all of whom won't talk or just talk spin til they get a nice retirement package .
why don't they talk to more of the victims ? they are after all the victims .
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I'll go back to my earlier comment that the ones dealt with so far were the easily caught ones.
Sorry if I'm getting confused. That was actually said by crystallad.
Please don't invent stuff that isn't true. I have never attempted to close down a debate by "yelling Racist" - I use that term very rarely, and only if someone actually is being undeniably racist. And I am certainly not the cause of any tension, except perhaps amongst those on here who don't agree with me and get upset about it!
Yes.
Which, being all spin, is barely a "mind" set at all.
The Guardian was the only major newspaper website I read last night which had relegated the story - deliberately - to the second news story. And the first story they chose was certainly not an obvious choice for a first news story.
I think you owe that poster an apology, first for being personal and second for being incorrect. The question they answered was about the racial profile of victims versus non victims and was answered in that light. Not nationality or religion, which you then chose to address. Asian as you yourself said covers multiple nationalities and religions. In terms of girls going out alone, or not, religions practised by Asians include Hindu, where chaperoning for girls is also a feature just as much as it is for Muslims., and Sikhism, where it has been utilised as a direct tool to combat both paedophilic and racially motivated radicalisation and grooming
http://www.sasorg.co.uk/about/
As has been stated on this thread, predators prey on the vulnerable, and that is potentially those of any religion, race or nationality.
That is what needs addressing, the vulnerability and the predatory behaviour.
Breivik might want some...
Where can the report be found please?
You assume far too much!
It's not just a failure by the council though, the police are just as culpable in this imo.
If you read the report published yesterday, the police displayed some appalling attitudes, such as saying that an 11-year old wasn't being exploited because the sex was consensual.
If the police weren't prepared to investigate and arrest perpetrators, it's hard to see what Children's Services could have done.